Stadium Solution!

[Mad_Fer_It]

England hosts and Euro/World Cup....

 

Stadium gets rebuilt for next to nothing!

 

Am I a genius or what?

Edited March 15, 2006 by Mad_Fer_It

[Guest Jack Bauer]

Maybe if Liverpool was in London. Maybe.

[allez les rouges]

I hate it when england play at anfield.

 

I despise the thought that people sat in the "Kop Grandstand". (its not the kop on these occaisions, only Liverpool fans turn it into the Kop)

 

that the whole world thinks Liverpool fans are shouting gary neville, david beckham, "england till I die" and all that other b******s.

 

If it wasnt for liverpool players playing for or against liverpool, i wouldnt even watch the match, and generally turn off out of boredom if they get substituted.

[fred]

No new stadium before 2014 then - if you want us to stay at Anfield, just say so.

[Stew F]

I hate it when england play at anfield.

 

I despise the thought that people sat in the "Kop Grandstand". (its not the kop on these occaisions, only Liverpool fans turn it into the Kop)

 

that the whole world thinks Liverpool fans are shouting gary neville, david beckham, "england till I die" and all that other b******s.

 

If it wasnt for liverpool players playing for or against liverpool, i wouldnt even watch the match, and generally turn off out of boredom if they get substituted.

 

Change the bloody record

[allez les rouges]

Change the bloody record

 

 

what record? why are you so tired its early morning you should be wide awake

[Stew F]

what record? why are you so tired its early morning you should be wide awake

 

The record? "My Kop seat is my life" by allezlesrouge

 

I'm tired of the crap spouted by you and others about your precious little place in the world. Man up ffs.

 

Oh and by the way, i suffer from insomnia so maybe next time I can't sleep you can come and talk to me about your love affair with a piece of plastic in a stadium.

Edited March 15, 2006 by Veggie Kray

[eth]

By the way, on something of a tangent, have there been any concrete figures mentioned regarding the cost of redeveloping the main stand? It seems fairly ridiculous paying £150m for an entirely new stadium when we could stick with Anfield and all its traditions, redevelop a stand (including extra corporate hospitality bits and pieces) and save money overall. Especially when the new stadium has a maximum attendance of only 10 000 or so more than Anfield.

[Rushian]

By the way, on something of a tangent, have there been any concrete figures mentioned regarding the cost of redeveloping the main stand? It seems fairly ridiculous paying £150m for an entirely new stadium when we could stick with Anfield and all its traditions, redevelop a stand (including extra corporate hospitality bits and pieces) and save money overall. Especially when the new stadium has a maximum attendance of only 10 000 or so more than Anfield.

 

The new stadium would be 15000 more than the current one but it's all the other facilities that would be built that would also help enormously on the revenue front.

 

Starting again with the main stand is simply not an option.

[allez les rouges]

The record? "My Kop seat is my life" by allezlesrouge

 

I'm tired of the crap spouted by you and others about your precious little place in the world. Man up ffs.

 

Oh and by the way, i suffer from insomnia so maybe next time I can't sleep you can come and talk to me about your love affair with a piece of plastic in a stadium.

 

as someone who wasn?t born in Ingurrland but who?s whom has been liverpool since the day i have been born (try and work it out) I am not english, and consequently england offer no excitement or attachment to me at all.

 

Your guilty of a sweeping generalisation and frankly "I'm tired of the crap spouted by you and others" who generalise everyones opinion and offer personal and insulting remarks to people on the board and yet have no idea of the person they are insulting. Yet find it impossible to use whatever grey matter they have to offer something constructive without resorting simple point scoring.

 

of course i am proud of liverpool its been my home since i was born, and of course i dont care about Iguurrland because i wasnt born here.

 

Now i could call you a TOSSER but i wont resort to simple point scoring.

 

reply as you see fit, but i will simply not reply to any of your comments.

[beejay]

The new stadium would be 15000 more than the current one but it's all the other facilities that would be built that would also help enormously on the revenue front.

 

Starting again with the main stand is simply not an option.

 

Disagree. Of course it's an option - it's the only option if we can't afford a new stadium.

[Rushian]

Disagree. Of course it's an option - it's the only option if we can't afford a new stadium.

 

Financially it would be better to stay at 45000 than expand the Main Stand.

[allez les rouges]

Financially it would be better to stay at 45000 than expand the Main Stand.

 

surely it would pay for itself over a number of years though? whilst i accept it is simply not a matter of knocking it down and building an new stand, there is all the lost season ticket revenue isnt there?

 

I know it was considered in the feesibility study. Can anyone remember the figures?

[beejay]

Financially it would be better to stay at 45000 than expand the Main Stand.

 

I just can't believe that. I think the club were so hell-bent on the concept of the new stadium that they contrived to under-estimate the cost-benefit analysis of anfield and over-estimated on the new one. It's since become perceived knowledge that we have to move or stand still.

 

The Kop magazine (I know!!) did a fairly in-depth piece on the choice facing the club following the spiralling costs for the new stadium and concluded we would be better off financially from rebuilding the main stand and extending the anfield road stand to bring capacity up to 55,000. Cost about 80m compared to the 160m + for a new 60,000 seater. Yes, there would be issues over lost capacity temporarily and dressing rooms etc but none are insurmountable and they are TEMPORARY. The original estimates were 50m for expanding anfield compared to 80m for the new stadium - at that time it looked a no-brainer but not any more.

 

All this is apart from other aspects such as the loss of atmosphere from losing the Kop to a new bowl.

[Mike]

end of this month may start to hear things then...

[beejay]

Having seen the full proposal for the new Anfield which runs to over 1000 pages and covers all the other options I'll take a raincheck on any analysis by the Kop magazine I've also spoken very recently to someone who has been heavily involved in looking again at Anfield and it makes less sense now than it did in 2002.

 

Maybe, but my point was that those 1,000 pages started with the presumption that we wanted a new stadium and set out to prove the case. It's happened with countless projects, particularly where public money is involved.

 

I'll wager this - if we don't proceed with the new stadium we WILL expand anfield, no question.

[magneto]

Anfieldson Park

Goodifield

[fyds]

end of this month may start to hear things then...

How brilliant would that be?

 

Ste - do you know what the NWDA share of the cost came to in the end - was it around £11-18m as had been thought a while back? Anybody know if there is anything in Hill Dickinson playing some part in our stadium sponsorship?

 

Maybe, but my point was that those 1,000 pages started with the presumption that we wanted a new stadium and set out to prove the case. It's happened with countless projects, particularly where public money is involved.

 

I'll wager this - if we don't proceed with the new stadium we WILL expand anfield, no question.

I don't know - but have heard - that plans B & C involve sites in Knowlsey, Aintree and Sefton

Edited March 15, 2006 by fyds

[Maldini]

I just can't believe that. I think the club were so hell-bent on the concept of the new stadium that they contrived to under-estimate the cost-benefit analysis of anfield and over-estimated on the new one. It's since become perceived knowledge that we have to move or stand still.

 

The Kop magazine (I know!!) did a fairly in-depth piece on the choice facing the club following the spiralling costs for the new stadium and concluded we would be better off financially from rebuilding the main stand and extending the anfield road stand to bring capacity up to 55,000. Cost about 80m compared to the 160m + for a new 60,000 seater. Yes, there would be issues over lost capacity temporarily and dressing rooms etc but none are insurmountable and they are TEMPORARY. The original estimates were 50m for expanding anfield compared to 80m for the new stadium - at that time it looked a no-brainer but not any more.

 

All this is apart from other aspects such as the loss of atmosphere from losing the Kop to a new bowl.

You're talking to a guy who was a founding member of the Anfield4ever group, if he's now in favour of the move I think that says it all.

 

Don't forget that almost as much money would be made from corporate facilities (boxes etc.) as from ticket sales.

 

Also, isn't it impossible to expand the Anfield Road end? the road behind kind of prohibits it.

[fyds]

You're talking to a guy who was a founding member of the Anfield4ever group, if he's now in favour of the move I think that says it all.

 

Don't forget that almost as much money would be made from corporate facilities (boxes etc.) as from ticket sales.

 

Also, isn't it impossible to expand the Anfield Road end? the road behind kind of prohibits it.

 

Ste knows better than me, but I believe we would have to sink the pitch and build up if we stayed put, as we can't substantially increase the overall footprint. The whole new scheme comes with so many fringe and major benefits in Breckfield redevelopment, parking and transport, in house training, hospitality and corporate bash money as well as all the other stuff, an ability to hold concerts etc...as well as being one of the best and most in demand stadiums in the country that the medium long term financial benefits could be exactly what we and any potential investor/sponsor need.

[Rushian]

Ste - do you know what the NWDA share of the cost came to in the end - was it around £11-18m as had been thought a while back? Anybody know if there is anything in Hill Dickinson playing some part in our stadium sponsorship?

 

Last I heard we'd reduced/rejigged the ask to 12m and there was only a couple of million difference between us and the NWDA before being recently told they'd "come on board".

 

founding member of Anfield4ever

 

Not me. That was Alan Edge, Tim Kelly and Will Melia.

Edited March 15, 2006 by Rushian

[fyds]

Last I heard we'd reduced/rejigged the ask to 12m and there was only a couple of million difference between us and the NWDA before being recently told they'd "come on board".

 

That's as good an indication (despite forum lamentations) that we'll get until any announcement that the rest of the funding is in place or damn near. Excellent.

[Maldini]

Not me. That was Alan Edge, Tim Kelly and Will Melia.

Ah right, sorry about that. I take it all back, your opinion means nothing

[fyds]

Ah right, sorry about that. I take it all back, your opinion means nothing

[Rushian]

Arsenal earned {GBP}115m last year but the move to its Emirates

stadium is predicted to push matchday takings up from {GBP}35m to

{GBP}70m a year, with the Emirates sponsorship bringing in another

{GBP}10m annually. That would see the Gunners earn {GBP}160m,

overhauling Chelsea and bringing them much closer to United, who

earned {GBP}166m in revenue last year, as well as cementing a

position in the top five of Europe.

 

Bit disappointing that the FT would get such a fundamental thing wrong with regards to Arsenal. Yes the Emirates deal is worth 10m a year but it's for both the stadium naming rights (3m a year) and shirt sponsorship (7m a year) so you have to subtract the value of the existing shirt sponsorship contract. Leaving them only 3-4m a year better off which is a 33-34% improvement.

Edited March 16, 2006 by Rushian