So, all these teams that are better than England?

[psl]

Germany and their tactical mastermind Jurgen got hammered by Italy. Argentina lost 3-2 again, this time to Croatia. France lost at hime to Slovakia. Holland and Brazil both got 1 goal wins against lesser opposition, same as England. Spain too.

 

I don't care what anyone says, England have as good a chance as anyone but Brazil this summer.

[Cobs]

 

you'll not make any friends with talk like that around here...

[Sara]

England hammered Germany 5-1in qualifying last time didn't they and then Germany went on to reach the World Cup Final while England crashed out.

[AE]

Witch........

 

Burn him...........

 

Bloody cockney.........

 

 

[psl]

You know what I really love Lampard, Mourinho and Joe Cole too. And Peter Kenyon.

[AE]

You know what I really love Lampard, Mourinho and Joe Cole too. And Peter Kenyon.

 

 

Is that you Cobs???

[Cobs]

Is that you Cobs???

 

i refer to Lampard as Lamps

[cymrococh]

England nearly lost.

 

Italy, Croatia or Slovakia could all beat England.

 

I'm not entirely sure what this thread is trying to prove. Are you aware of the phrase 'Meaningless Friendly'?

[Ronnie Whelan]

 

i refer to Lampard as Lamps

 

 

Or super lamps to his mates.

[jfogarty]

Germany and their tactical mastermind Jurgen got hammered by Italy. Argentina lost 3-2 again, this time to Croatia. France lost at hime to Slovakia. Holland and Brazil both got 1 goal wins against lesser opposition, same as England. Spain too.

 

I don't care what anyone says, England have as good a chance as anyone but Brazil this summer.

 

I wouldnt pay too much attention to friendlies.

 

I also think that Argentina have as good a chance as Brazil

[psl]

Obviously friendlies don't prove a great deal.

 

But I bet if we'd lost last night there's be a fair few people laughing at how us England fans always think we're great but are actually rubbish and have no hope whatsoever.

[wacko]

England hammered Germany 5-1in qualifying last time didn't they and then Germany went on to reach the World Cup Final while England crashed out.

To the same team that put the Germans out. We, at least, scored and gave them half a game. The Germans were so lucky last time out, particularly with the draw and the handball on the goal line against the USA. They had much the same side we demolished in Munich, and only Kahn's form kept them in it so long.

 

This time out, Kahn is half the keeper his was in 2002 (and we all know how iffy Lehmann is). Ballack is the only world-class player in the side. There are a couple more, but Klinsmann won't play them because he wants a young side. All very noble, but throwing out players over 30 in favour of youngsters just because they're young is stupid, and just one year before the World Cup in your own country is hardly the best time to do it. Add to that, half the kids don't even play for their clubs. In particular, the first choice centre-backs, Huth and Metzelder, are both bench warmers; Metzelder is being kept on Dortmund's bench by Wörns, who Klinsmann has refused to pick (and he won't be going now after what he said about Klinsmann).

 

The Germans were woeful last night. Italy let them have the ball now and again, but took it back and walked it through the German defence almost at will. For me, the only German player who came out of the game deserving some respect was Huth. He had a nightmare and made mistakes for all of the Italian goals, but by the end of the match he was more or less the only German still playing. Respect to him for that.

 

After last night, Klinsmann might consider throwing him on up front. He's certainly not much of a defender. He was out of position constantly, let players stand around for 10 seconds or more unmarked in the box, and for the header at the back post (the 3rd goal?) he had absolutely no idea there was an Italian standing behind him.

[Ombudsam]

WE'RE GUNNA WIN IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Sir Tokyo Sexwale]

The latest 442 says so too. 4-2 on pens against Germany in the Final - Carra scoring the decisive pen

 

(they got the makers of FM06 to run the WC)

[John am Rhein]

Obviously friendlies don't prove a great deal.

 

But I bet if we'd lost last night there's be a fair few people laughing at how us England fans always think we're great but are actually rubbish and have no hope whatsoever.

 

Which is what we're doing anyway.

 

In fact I think England do have some chance but there's more than just Brazil who have a better chance than them.

 

Germany, Holland, Italy for a start and maybe France and Argentina

 

I'd put England's chance at something like 12/1.

[Guest Scot]

England have a decent chance. They'd have a better one if:

a) They could play for 90 mins

b) They had a better manager

 

For sure though they have a squad that can win a knockout trophy.