Is Cisse being treated unfairly?

[Bootle Buck]

I can't understand why he names Cisse on the bench when he barely gives him a chance to get into a game if at all. It has to be truly frustrating for the lad considering Morientes has not scored in 12 games and quite frankly barely looked like scoring. I have not been a big fan of Cisse but in this situation feel like he has been treated unfairly. It is hard to prove yourself when you don't get the chance. Moro has had plenty of chances.

[CarraLegend]

I can't understand why he names Cisse on the bench when he barely gives him a chance to get into a game if at all. It has to be truly frustrating for the lad considering Morientes has not scored in 12 games and quite frankly barely looked like scoring. I have not been a big fan of Cisse but in this situation feel like he has been treated unfairly. It is hard to prove yourself when you don't get the chance. Moro has had plenty of chances.

 

No

[Ripley]

He is isn't treating him like a dog. Oh no.

 

Edited February 26, 2006 by Ripley

[Nebraska Red]

If it wasn't clear already, the writing is on the wall for Cisse.

 

If Rafa feels that a combo of 2 from Crouch/Morientes/Fowler is the best for the club, who are we to argue?

 

Cisse will be out the door in the summer, hopefully after he has a decent World Cup and adds 99p to his current value on the market.

[chrisbonnie]

first of all, ill admit that Cisse isnt what we`re after, im certainly not under any false illusion that he`s gonna bag 20 goals a season for us,

 

now, to answer the question, yes, he is definetly being treated unfairly, Morientes has been given plenty of chances, way more than Cisse could wish for, lets be honest, if Cisse got 12 games, from start to finish, he`d defietly score a few, maybe even 2, or 3, but he`d defo score more than Morientes

 

i wouldnt blame him for handing in a transfer request, because if it was me, i would

 

Morientes is easily our worst forward, granted, he`s ok outside the box, but once he gets inside 18 yards, he forgets he`s a footballer, never mind shooting and hitting it wide, or miles over the bar, he doesnt even connect, is always caught in 2 minds on what to do, he`s utter rubbish inside the box, how Rafa can insist on playing him ill never know, but he`s had too many chances for my liking

 

id pick Djib ahead of him on every occasion

[Shanklyanfield]

I can't understand why he names Cisse on the bench when he barely gives him a chance to get into a game if at all. It has to be truly frustrating for the lad considering Morientes has not scored in 12 games and quite frankly barely looked like scoring. I have not been a big fan of Cisse but in this situation feel like he has been treated unfairly. It is hard to prove yourself when you don't get the chance. Moro has had plenty of chances.

 

Have to agree, I am by no way Cisse's biggest fan but how Rafa persists with Nando is really starting to baffle me as I think it did with 44,000+ at Anfield today!

 

Cisse hasn't been great and his performance at United was shocking but once again Nando was very poor, he had one chance which was slower than a back-pass to James yet he stayed on the pitch for 90 minutes! I heard it was 14 games without a goal and you've said 12 but either way it doesn't really matter as that is a shocking stat for a striker especially as IHO he doesn't offer a lot else either, he is knocked off the ball too easily, his control is poor and on the rare occasion he gets into a dangerous position he fluffs it!

 

Cisse must be sitting on the bench wondering what he's got to do! He has scored 12 goals in 22 starts (20 off the bench - 44 total) yet Nando has scored 6 goals in 24 starts (9 off the bench - 33 in total) he's scored half the goals in more starts and hardly offers anything else to the team!

 

I am getting slightly worried that Rafa is getting slightly biased in his selection of Nando, he has been very poor recently yet he starts every game and very rarely get's taken off!

 

Cisse must have felt even worse today when against 10 men @ Anfield and only with a 1-0 lead we take Crouch off and bring Garcia on ahead of him!

[Kenny_]

IMO it's Cisse's own fault. I don't think Rafa trust him enough and I can understand why.

 

The team looks much better with Morientes in the side I think. A better team unit. Especially at home.

 

I think Cisse will be off in the summer but reckon he still have a part to play.

[Guest Jack Bauer]

Whenever he plays all he does is whinge, shoot from stupid angles and need five good chances to score.

[Maldini]

Nando is a far far better player than Cisse.

[psl]

I was surprised he didn't get on today.

[Shanklyanfield]

Nando is a far far better player than Cisse.

 

Forget other leagues and past histroy please tell me in what repsect is Nando a better player than Cisse in the Prem because it certainly isn't goalscoring. Nando's first touch is that bad his 2nd touch is a tackle and it certainly isn't in assists either because Nando has hardly set-up any goals this season!

 

Nando has been shocking for the last 14 games yet Cisse hasn't been given a chance and I'm not a Cisse fan but his is being treated unfairly when you look at Nando's performances!

Edited February 26, 2006 by Shanklyanfield

[Nebraska Red]

I was surprised he didn't get on today.

 

 

I wasn't, I reckon rafa was happy to settle for 1-0 and wanted to bolster the midfield/defence even when we had the man advantage. From here on in, I will take 1-0 wins in every game in the PL.

 

With Cisse, you just don't get that team ethic when he is on the pitch.

[Shanklyanfield]

Whenever he plays all he does is whinge, shoot from stupid angles and need five good chances to score.

 

And Nando??????????????????

[Alonso]

In games like todays, a player like Cisse is very useful. Bring him on against 10 men and ask him to use his pace to stretch their defence. The problem is that whenever Cisse has come on in recent matches, he shows almost nothing. He stands on the touchline, swiging away at his water bottle and the look on his face suggests to me that he doesn't give a damn.

 

I think that he hasn't been give a fair chance, in comparison to Morientes or Garcia, but the attitude doesn't help one bit.

The only problem with this is that with 10 men teams tend to sit very deep in 2 tight banks of 4, so not giving any space for Cisse to be able to exploit his pace. Plus his touches in confined, tight areas aren't the best so that would also be a negative to bring him on. His best chance of beating someone is the kick and run and there just isn't enough spce for him to do this when we're forcing/dictating the play as most of the play is in their half. He's a good plyer to use when we're playing on the counter tho as it makes the defenders that bit more wary of playing a high line (altho with his offside track record then not so much of a problem! )

[fred]

Why is there never a time machine around when you need one? I wonder what kind of response this thread would've got after the ManU away game in the league...

 

FWIW I agree with Knox Harrington: I'd pick Morientes ahead of Cissé every time as well. He may not score as much but his overall contribution to the way we play is so much better. I remember one occasion where he slide tackled an opposition defender in their box - nothing came of it unfortunately, but you just can't see Cissé even dreaming of doing that.

[Shanklyanfield]

Why is there never a time machine around when you need one? I wonder what kind of response this thread would've got after the ManU away game in the league...

 

FWIW I agree with Knox Harrington: I'd pick Morientes ahead of Cissé every time as well. He may not score as much but his overall contribution to the way we play is so much better. I remember one occasion where he slide tackled an opposition defender in their box - nothing came of it unfortunately, but you just can't see Cissé even dreaming of doing that.

 

Cisse had a bad game there admittidly but Nando hadn't gone 14 games without a goal and wasn't that also the game that Nando totally missed the ball twice while he was in the 18 yard box!

 

Wow Nando challenged an opposing player and I just can't ever dream of Nando scoring in a red shirt!

Edited February 26, 2006 by Shanklyanfield

[Guest mightyreds]

I can't understand why he names Cisse on the bench when he barely gives him a chance to get into a game if at all. It has to be truly frustrating for the lad considering Morientes has not scored in 12 games and quite frankly barely looked like scoring. I have not been a big fan of Cisse but in this situation feel like he has been treated unfairly. It is hard to prove yourself when you don't get the chance. Moro has had plenty of chances.

Personally think both of them not up for scoring,both will be leaving in the summer transfere.

[fred]

Wow Nando challenged an opposing player and I just can't ever dream of Nando scoring in a red shirt!

 

I refer the honourable Gentleman to last years home derby and the one Garcia ended up nodding in. My point being that Nando has done it and there's every chance he will be doing it again, whereas I cannot see the weaknesses in Cissés game going away.

[Tones]

 

FWIW I agree with Knox Harrington: I'd pick Morientes ahead of Cissé every time as well.

 

Me too. To me the whole team is better balanced, and play a lot better with Morientes in instead of Cisse. I think Cisse has had his chance and offered little to the team, and dont get me started on his performance v Man U! My starters would be Crouch and Fowler, though obviously we couldnt today. I agree with Rafas choice of starting Nando, but not with his decision to keep him on and take Crouch off.

[Ripley]

Cisse hasn't started the last 14 games

Nor has Morientes.

 

Cissé had started 6 and come on 7 times in the 13 matches prior to today.

 

You have to go back to the first game in that sequence to find his last goal.

[Shanklyanfield]

I refer the honourable Gentleman to last years home derby and the one Garcia ended up nodding in. My point being that Nando has done it and there's every chance he will be doing it again, whereas I cannot see the weaknesses in Cissés game going away.

 

So you are on about Nando making a challenge last season for someone else to score as your best defence of Nando!

 

I refer the honourable Gentelman to a more recent derby game where Cisse actually scored!

[Earl Hafler]

The only problem with this is that with 10 men teams tend to sit very deep in 2 tight banks of 4, so not giving any space for Cisse to be able to exploit his pace. Plus his touches in confined, tight areas aren't the best so that would also be a negative to bring him on. His best chance of beating someone is the kick and run and there just isn't enough spce for him to do this when we're forcing/dictating the play as most of the play is in their half. He's a good plyer to use when we're playing on the counter tho as it makes the defenders that bit more wary of playing a high line (altho with his offside track record then not so much of a problem! )

 

They didn't sit back that much though as we broke forward a few times with balls played over the top.

 

 

And i don't like the idea having every man back for corners.

[fred]

So you are on about Nando making a challenge last season for someone else to score as your best defence of Nando!

 

I refer the honourable Gentelman to a more recent derby game where Cisse actually scored!

 

Got a bit of a short memory, haven't you? I meant the volley from 20 yards or whatever that Martyn could only push onto the bar, and Garcia nodded it in.

 

Cissé's derby goal is actually a good illustration of the kind of player he is: extremely fast with a hard shot but frankly not much else. He would've suited us very well in about 2002/2003, but we have a new manager now and we changed the way we play.

 

Anyway, my main point remains: Morientes is a class player in a scoring drought who at least makes up for this through hard work. If Cissé doesn't score he contributes sweet FA else, and it's not like he's a deadly finisher like Owen is/was.

[Benitez]

why is it always 'one player against the other' anyway? Like the only way to discuss is by playing one against the other, you either support one, or the other. They are both Liverpool players after all.

 

The only difference is - one is a Benitez signing, the other isn't

[Shanklyanfield]

Nor has Morientes.

 

Cissé had started 6 and come on 7 times in the 13 matches prior to today.

 

You have to go back to the first game in that sequence to find his last goal.

 

In the last 12 games Nando has started 9, come on as a sub in 1 and been injured for the other 2!

 

I'd love to know where you got your stats from because I've just gone through the OS and the figures I get for Cisse is:

 

Starts: 4

Not started and not come on: 3

Come on as Sub: 7

 

Please let me know where you got your stats from then!