Cannot understand why the pc brigade are out in force

[Kvarme Ate My Food]

It happens and will continue to happen, and will only get worse.

 

I've sung Shipman songs at the match myself, so I certainly won't try to be Houllier-than-thou

 

I do feel s*** about it afterwards though: the victims' families don't deserve it

 

 

as for singing about someone breaking his leg, or shagging his mum up the s***ter, it ain't classy, but it's hardly the worst thing I've ever heard

[Pam]

usually it is a minority at Anfield and is shouted down quickly. Neville has made his own bed and although the stuff about his mum was a bit cr@ppy However singing about someone's broken leg when they are obviously in a bad way is out of order. The singing continued even when it was clear he was seriously hurt. Followed by some Are you watching Georgie Best. We would be up in arms if Blackburn fans had sung stuff about Carragher when he was injured by Neill or if a large number of fans were singing about Shankly/Paisley etc.

 

Every club has their share of idiots, i used to hope we were better than that. Obviously we are not. We seem to be on a slippery slope to moronic fans - how long before Shipman/Muinch songs become acceptable because it is just a bit of banter and we hate them so its ok.....?

[Kvarme Ate My Food]

usually it is a minority at Anfield and is shouted down quickly. Neville has made his own bed and although the stuff about his mum was a bit cr@ppy However singing about someone's broken leg when they are obviously in a bad way is out of order. The singing continued even when it was clear he was seriously hurt. Followed by some Are you watching Georgie Best. We would be up in arms if Blackburn fans had sung stuff about Carragher when he was injured by Neill or if a large number of fans were singing about Shankly/Paisley etc.

 

Every club has their share of idiots, i used to hope we were better than that. Obviously we are not. We seem to be on a slippery slope to moronic fans - how long before Shipman/Muinch songs become acceptable because it is just a bit of banter and we hate them so its ok.....?

 

Munich songs were 'acceptable' for a long time. And the Kop used to chant "Die you b*****d" at injured players.

 

You're harking back to a golden age I'm not sure ever existed

[allez les rouges]

We would be up in arms if Blackburn fans had sung stuff about Carragher when he was injured by Neill

 

they did. they sung about cisse breaking his leg. i heard it at anfield after he made is recovery and was playing in the match

[Ste M]

they did. they sung about cisse breaking his leg. i heard it at anfield after he made is recovery and was playing in the match

 

"Cisse, how's your leg, Cisse Cisse how's your leg".

 

That's why he went and celebrated in front of them when he scored the winner.

[Pam]

Munich songs were 'acceptable' for a long time. And the Kop used to chant "Die you b*****d" at injured players.

 

You're harking back to a golden age I'm not sure ever existed

 

Munich songs have not been acceptable by the majority at Anfield for some time. We seemed to clean up our act post-Hillsborough. For the most part at Anfield we support the team and leave the singing about other teams (except when we are playing them) and general cr@p songs ( who are ya etc ) to other teams. Now regularly i hear stuff about Chelsea having no history - which is irrelevant when you are plying someone else. There is a fine line between wit/banter and sick. If Liverpool fans want to make out they are better and be able to take offence at people singing about Hillsborough/Heysel/Michael Shields then we should skip the whole Munich/Shipman cr@p. It is not big and clever and surely can't motivate the team more than FOAR or 5 Times?

[Dan]

I think the myth that Liverpool fans are the best in the world should be put to bed once and for all. Its embarrasing.

[Pam]

"Cisse, how's your leg, Cisse Cisse how's your leg".

 

That's why he went and celebrated in front of them when he scored the winner.

 

does all that make it right so sing about teams injured players?

 

I'd honestly like to know. I Personally I think it is a bit shi*t and have never sung about Munich/Shipman/Gary Neville's Mum - but i started watching the game round the time of Hillsborough and things were changing.

 

So is it acceptable to sing about personal or club level tragedies? Should we just accept it as part of football regardless of how far it goes? Or is it's acceptability affected by dislike for the target? Are you proud of yourselves and our club when you or others sing stuff like that?

[anny road]

does all that make it right so sing about teams injured players?

 

I'd honestly like to know. I Personally I think it is a bit shi*t and have never sung about Munich/Shipman/Gary Neville's Mum - but i started watching the game round the time of Hillsborough and things were changing.

 

So is it acceptable to sing about personal or club level tragedies? Should we just accept it as part of football regardless of how far it goes? Or is it's acceptability affected by dislike for the target? Are you proud of yourselves and our club when you or others sing stuff like that?

 

 

with respect it isnt about "acceptability"..I didint sing Munich or Shipman yesterday,, but I did about G Neville's ma

 

It also isnt about making me feel "proud"......Sometimes logic goes out of the window, and you lose it and become irrational......Thats what gives football it's tribal nature and marks it down different to every other game on earth....It also means that lines can be crossed and things said by perfectly rational people that they wouldnt at any other time

 

The quicker people accept that Liverpool fans are no different with this the better.....

 

We are slightly different to most support in that we do things traditionally that others dont...such as applaud the oppo keeper (even VDS yesterda), and spontaneously applaud good play by the opposition

 

but when it comes to be being cruel or reactive we are as guilty as anyone...

 

if people cannot accept that then tough, and whilst parts of football have improved for the better...I hope that it never stops having the edge of hatred surrounding it......

 

It is what makes beating our bitter rivals feel so good

[Guest Jack Bauer]

I think the myth that Liverpool fans are the best in the world should be put to bed once and for all. Its embarrasing.

 

Manc

[kenny7]

does all that make it right so sing about teams injured players?

 

I'd honestly like to know. I Personally I think it is a bit shi*t and have never sung about Munich/Shipman/Gary Neville's Mum - but i started watching the game round the time of Hillsborough and things were changing.

 

So is it acceptable to sing about personal or club level tragedies? Should we just accept it as part of football regardless of how far it goes? Or is it's acceptability affected by dislike for the target? Are you proud of yourselves and our club when you or others sing stuff like that?

 

Pam whether its acceptable or not it happens, its life, people sing the songs they haven't been personally affected by the tradegies and therefore have no real feeling toward it. Its akin to telling jokes about the cockel pickers or tsunami, its not right but it happens its life and it has always happened.

[Kvarme Ate My Food]

Munich songs have not been acceptable by the majority at Anfield for some time. We seemed to clean up our act post-Hillsborough. For the most part at Anfield we support the team and leave the singing about other teams (except when we are playing them) and general cr@p songs ( who are ya etc ) to other teams. Now regularly i hear stuff about Chelsea having no history - which is irrelevant when you are plying someone else. There is a fine line between wit/banter and sick. If Liverpool fans want to make out they are better and be able to take offence at people singing about Hillsborough/Heysel/Michael Shields then we should skip the whole Munich/Shipman cr@p. It is not big and clever and surely can't motivate the team more than FOAR or 5 Times?

 

I agree with all of that, but am not sure how it relates to Smith's injury or G Neville's mum's bum

[Dan]

Manc

 

No they're not the best either.

[Pam]

with respect it isnt about "acceptability"..I didint sing Munich or Shipman yesterday,, but I did about G Neville's ma

 

It also isnt about making me feel "proud"......Sometimes logic goes out of the window, and you lose it and become irrational......Thats what gives football it's tribal nature and marks it down different to every other game on earth....It also means that lines can be crossed and things said by perfectly rational people that they wouldnt at any other time

 

The quicker people accept that Liverpool fans are no different with this the better.....

 

We are slightly different to most support in that we do things traditionally that others dont...such as applaud the oppo keeper (even VDS yesterda), and spontaneously applaud good play by the opposition

 

but when it comes to be being cruel or reactive we are as guilty as anyone...

 

if people cannot accept that then tough, and whilst parts of football have improved for the better...I hope that it never stops having the edge of hatred surrounding it......

 

It is what makes beating our bitter rivals feel so good

 

fair play.

 

The good side of our fans ( the level of support/singing, the generous gestures and wit) is one of the great things about our club, but i would agree that you can't contain emotion and make it always positive. Without emotion it wouldn't be any different to beat Man Utd or Marine.

[Guest Jack Bauer]

So, name one club who doesn't take the piss like we did yesterday? Everyone does. It's just that we're louder than them, have more songs(and better) than them, and get behind the team more than them.

[Pam]

So, name one club who doesn't take the piss like we did yesterday? Everyone does. It's just that we're louder than them, have more songs(and better) than them, and get behind the team more than them.

 

not disputing that other clubs have moronic supporters, i'd jus lived in hope that we were a bit better. Obviously we are not.

I just get a bit disapointed that we don't use our great number of supportive songs to get behind the team. Now i'm going back to my ivory tower in a world where young people help old ones across busy roads and don't mug them and ickle bunny rabbits hop around in green meadows........

[Guest Jack Bauer]

It's not moronic when it's the mancs.

[anny road]

not disputing that other clubs have moronic supporters, i'd jus lived in hope that we were a bit better. Obviously we are not.

I just get a bit disapointed that we don't use our great number of supportive songs to get behind the team. Now i'm going back to my ivory tower in a world where young people help old ones across busy roads and don't mug them and ickle bunny rabbits hop around in green meadows........

 

 

oh but we do get behind the team

 

come on.............a couple of songs about Neville and Smith aside..

 

Christ United sing more songs about us than they do about there own team when they are playing Blackburn

[Kvarme Ate My Food]

We sympathise with Nottingham Forest

We salute Everton too (they're OK!)

We respect Man Utd

And Liverpool we politely applaud you

[Guest Jack Bauer]

Yes, we got behind the team plenty yesterday. Nothing wrong with singing about Neville shagging his ma/da/dog/cat/sister/brother up the s***ter cause he deserves it.

[Guest Ant]

Pam, in games like that you cannot be friendly, your songs have to make the opposition feel small time, I am not saying saying all the Munich songs and Shipman are acceptable.

 

Liverpool FC V Manchester United PLC, isn't a case of two football teams, Its a case of Mersyeside v Manchester.

 

The amount of s*** dished out by that scum has been hard to take by some fans...

 

And it is in my opinion however controversial that the only people can understand such rivalry are from The North West Region

 

 

We sympathise with Nottingham Forest

We salute Everton too (they're OK!)

We respect Man Utd

And Liverpool we politely applaud you

 

 

[plonky]

Manc

 

Oh, what sad times are these when passing ruffians can say 'manc' at will to internet posters

[Dan]

So, name one club who doesn't take the piss like we did yesterday? Everyone does. It's just that we're louder than them, have more songs(and better) than them, and get behind the team more than them.

 

Every club takes the piss agreed. Louder than any other club in the world? Couldn't say. More songs? Again, couldn't say. Get behind the team more than any other club? Doubt it.....in fact definately not. Maybe for the European games and when Chelsea and the Mancs come to Anfield but too often with lesser teams it lacks atmosphere. It's impossible and deluded to say we're the best supporters in the world. It does my head in.

[owenthomas]

I defy anyone who saw the injury up close, or has seen some of the photographs of it today, not to feel sympathy for a young kid with a horrific injury. This has nothing to do with how passionatley you support your team, it's about basic human decency.

having seen it today then yes, i do feel some sympathy for the lad (despite him being the biggest scab in football).. but yesterday at the match i couldn't have cared less and if anyone needs to know why then i could not not have put it better than what Anny Road has here..

[sutty]

I feel there's a lot of truth in this statement. OOT'rs who support Liverpool have probably got good friends who are Man Utd fans.

 

For me personally I don't have the same hatred for Everton as I do for Mancs because of that reason.

 

 

That's s**** Kev

 

Most local reds hate Everton more

 

I know I do (though obviously I've moved away)