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Shay Given

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StevieC

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Great saves but another keeper made to look better than he is because he has to make 60 saves a game.

 

In the last few years keepers at relegation candidates have looked great becasue of the amount of saves they make and never get blamed when their cr@p teams lose anyway. Russel Hoult was once tipped for an England cap FFS and look how good West Brom have made Kirlkland look.

 

That Kewell save was somethig else though.

Benitez

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maybe it'll take Given going to Arsenal, for Newcastle to finally wake up and see the problems everyone else sees.

 

Without him, they'd be scrapping with sunderland.

Guest Les Howard

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There certainly isn't anybody BETTER than Given, that's for sure.

 

Did he sign an extension last season? There was talk about it but I can't remember if he did or not.

G Richards

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Given is a good goalie but I'm not sure how good. I think he's made to look better than he is because he's always got a chance to shine. Defo wouldn't swap him for Pepe.

 

If Shay gets a move to somewhere like Arsenal then we'll perhaps see what he's made of. Right now he looks good, but that's because it's virtually shooting practice.

 

I would agree with the Hoult analogy.

chrisbonnie

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dont forget he has to save Irelands arses in international football as well

 

im irish, and i swear, id give him a brazilian passport just to give him a chance of going to Germany, the lad is superb, and why oh why none of the "big" clubs have never gone for him ill never know

Hassony

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dont forget he has to save Irelands arses in international football as well

 

im irish, and i swear, id give him a brazilian passport just to give him a chance of going to Germany, the lad is superb, and why oh why none of the "big" clubs have never gone for him ill never know

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but newcastle are one of the biggest clubs in the world ;)

floyd

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The Press Association are calling it an og. F*cking ridiculous. Shower of blind c*nts.

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Are these the same, esteemed judges who awarded Rooney, that goal that came of the keeper in Euro 2004??

jimmylibel

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Personally I think Given is seriously overrated.

 

He is an awesome shot stopper, but his positioning and decision making are quite suspect. The amount of times he pushes the ball into dangerous positions after making a good first save is unreal. Good goalies put those kind of shots around the post/ over the bar, Given knocks them back into the danger area.

 

He was also criticised quite severly in the leaked Chelsea scout report.

Maldini

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Personally I think Given is seriously overrated. 

 

He is an awesome shot stopper, but his positioning and decision making are quite suspect.  The amount of times he pushes the ball into dangerous positions after making a good first save is unreal.  Good goalies put those kind of shots around the post/ over the bar, Given knocks them back into the danger area.

 

He was also criticised quite severly in the leaked Chelsea scout report.

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I agree, he's a bit dodgy on crosses and is crap at kicking too. He's very good, but he can be got at.

drdooom

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Great saves but another keeper made to look better than he is because he has to make 60 saves a game.

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He has to make them and he does make them, usually. Doesn't that mean he actually _is_ good? What else does a keeper have to do to be good rather than look good?

Owen1978

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He has to make them and he does make them, usually. Doesn't that mean he actually _is_ good? What else does a keeper have to do to be good rather than look good?

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According to David Seamen a ponytail!

Maldini

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He has to make them and he does make them, usually. Doesn't that mean he actually _is_ good? What else does a keeper have to do to be good rather than look good?

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I know what he means, it's like people saying Friedel and James are better now than they were at Liverpool. It's a completely task playing in goal for a big team, you might only have to make one save a game, but you have to maintain your concentration. At smaller clubs more goals are expected to be conceded so you're not under the spotlight as much. Friedel and James are making just as many errors and playing just the same as they did with Liverpool but the expectations are lower and there are less people watching.

StevieC

StevieC

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He has to make them and he does make them, usually. Doesn't that mean he actually _is_ good? What else does a keeper have to do to be good rather than look good?

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Put Riena or any other top class goalie under that sort of pressure and they'll perform miracles too (like Pepe did at Villareal). Given makes fantastic saves that make the papers because he has to face so many attacks. He does concede but no one in their right mind would blame him- ergo he ends up looking better than he is and his defieiencies are covered up such as the ones Jimmy Libel mentioned or that his kicking under pressure is the worst I've ever seen in a goalie- and that includes Frode Grodas.

chrisbonnie

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Put Riena or any other top class goalie under that sort of pressure and they'll perform miracles too (like Pepe did at Villareal).  Given makes fantastic saves that make the papers because he has to face so many attacks.  He does concede but no one in their right mind would blame him- ergo he ends up looking better than he is and his defieiencies are covered up such as the ones Jimmy Libel mentioned or that his kicking under pressure is the worst I've ever seen in a goalie- and that includes Frode Grodas.

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thats true, but Reinas positional sense for a goalie is phenomanol, he`s so quick off his line, i wonder hor young Carson feels about being number 2 to the future spanish number 1, oh, and he`s 23 isnt he :o

 

Reina for Spain :D

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