Michael Owen

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OK, here are some more myths:

 

1) Michael Owen didn't intentionally run down his contract so he could have more "options".

2) Michael Owen finished every chance he was ever presented

3) Signing Michael Owen would automatically add 25 goals to our tally

4) Money is not an issue in this negotiation at all

 

Somehow in his absence his abilities have become larger than life and his actions regarding the move have been swept aside.  He's obviously a great player that did great things for us but get a grip.  If the move happens, it happens. If not, it's not some massive error in judgement by Rafa.

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He's a better goalscorer than any of our other forwards. By some distance.

 

That's the only salient point, IMO.

[jimmylibel]

The Newcastle statement puts Owen's statement in context though. Clearly he was told last night that Newcastle would be issuing this statement today so he preempted that by issuing his own statement this morning.

[Serko]

Can't see us getting hime now. I doubt we'd offer more than £10million and Real are unlikley to accept if they get at least £5million more from Newcastle. It alos doesn't make sense for them to let him leave on loan now. Ican see Madrid saying it's Newcastle or our bench, nowing that Owen would have to choose Newcastle in a world cup year.

[CaptainXabi]

And where did I say it would be an error by Rafa. :confusedasfeck:

 

No. Somehow in his absence the team have been bordering on sh*te in front of goal for over a year and as for those points above - all very valid and true and has anyone argused to the contrary ? No.

 

Wind yer neck in will ya....

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The error by Rafa part was general, not necessarily aimed at you. I may or may not have entered rant mode towards the end . But in response to the rest of your post, I'll ask a few questions

 

- Were we so good in front of goal with Michael Owen? Note we = Liverpool football club - i.e. the whole team, not Michael Owen himself.

- Could the poor form in front of goal have anything to do with us not having enough fit strikers?

- Is it possible that recent events are unduly influencing opinions on our current crop of strikers?

[Kindred]

Nooooo! Has Mikey agreed terms as well or is it just the offer been accepted?

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I think thats the key point atm. RM & Newcastle have agreed a fee - its still for Owen to decide to go there and agree wages and as hes already said he wants to come back to Liverpool, so its up to RM & us to sort some kind of deal out.

 

Lyon agreed a higher fee with us for baros, but hes hasn't gone there, so basically, this 'development' could be irrelavant unless owen wants to go there.

Edited August 24, 2005 by Kindred

[yellow jumper]

He's a better goalscorer than any of our other forwards. By some distance.

 

That's the only salient point, IMO.

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perhaps, although even that's debatable. but some of the fawning over michael owen on here would put a teenage girl to shame...

Edited August 24, 2005 by george lees

[Rimbeux]

Unless it pisses Owen off by jeapordising his dream moveto Liverpool and he tells Souness to shove his loan deal up his a***.

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But if it leaves the man with no options to play regularly...

 

This is Newcastle's last throw of the dice. They have made themselves ridiculous and worse this summer and others, and this is the last chance to for the current set up, absolutely the last chance. In that sense, all they could do was throw as much as possible in the way. They know he doesn't want to go there perm, they are doing what it takes. Question is, do Real now try to keep asking for £17m, does Owen keep asking for parity with Gerrard?

[Wardy]

Don't sweat he obviously doesn't want to sign a permanent deal at Newcastle, it's just Fat Freddie trying to appease the feckwitted half-naked geordie herd.

[Cooldude]

The Newcastle statement puts Owen's statement in context though.  Clearly he was told last night that Newcastle would be issuing this statement today so he preempted that by issuing his own statement this morning.

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That seems to make a good point

 

Owen would've been informed ages ago that Newcastle put in this and this much for him, by coming out and say "I'd only join them on loan if worst comes to worst and I can't go to Liverpool", immediately kills off the suggestion that he wants to join them permanently

 

So Barcodes think of a last ditch plan on publicly announcing such a bid's been made and accepted to put more pressure on Madrid and Liverpool

Edited August 24, 2005 by Cooldude

[CarraLegend]

I really f***ing hate Newcastle, they've probably done this deliberately knowing we cant match that fee, time nearly runs out then they get him on loan. Why cant he come on loan here?

[bigdave50uk]

its all comming together

seems real are demanding 16million for owen

thats why rafa says we look at kuyt as a cheaper option, looks like he wasnt talking about wages

owen says today he would move to newcastle on loan if we cant agree a deal

 

NU meet the asking price( sure there must be some money still owed to them for woodgate) forcing us to show are hand, this saga will be all over within a couple of days now.

LFC really have only one option left make an offer. If not real know he will sign for newcastle because he needs to be playing regular football.

[Rimbeux]

Surely, it doesn't have to be a loan deal to us. Couldn't we just use whatever RM still owe us as the first payment and the rest in installments over the duration of his contract? I think most deals seem to be structured this way nowadays anyway.

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Maybe we want to keep our options open, maybe there are other strikers Benitez would rather have long term, and he doesn't want to blow his budget for strikers.

 

 

The Newcastle statement puts Owen's statement in context though.  Clearly he was told last night that Newcastle would be issuing this statement today so he preempted that by issuing his own statement this morning.

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Is probably spot on.

 

Can't see us getting hime now. I doubt we'd offer more than £10million and Real are unlikley to accept if they get at least £5million more from Newcastle. It alos doesn't make sense for them to let him leave on loan now. Ican see Madrid saying it's Newcastle or our bench, nowing that Owen would have to choose Newcastle in a world cup year.

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But if Owen wont go for good, what they bid is not relevent in any sense, it's not there for them to take.

[smicer07]

Let's get him back here, whatever it takes.

[Lee W]

The error by Rafa part was general, not necessarily aimed at you.  I may or may not have entered rant mode towards the end  .  But in response to the rest of your post, I'll ask a few questions

 

- Were we so good in front of goal with Michael Owen? Note we = Liverpool football club - i.e. the whole team, not Michael Owen himself.

- Could the poor form in front of goal have anything to do with us not having enough fit strikers?

- Is it possible that recent events are unduly influencing opinions on our current crop of strikers?

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- I would say we relied on Owen like United do with RvN and Arsenal do with Henry.

 

- Maybe, but were you really convinced of Baros' positioning, goalscoring and finishing abilities ? I wasn't.

 

- Shouldn't be. I rate Nando (and his track record) highly, jury's out on Cisse and Baros has been sold. We need a natural poacher/goalscorer. Haven't seen enough of Nando or Cisse to suggest they'll provide the ammo we need.

 

The little, conniving, traitor of a Welsh midget ticks the boxes.

[Cooldude]

Also, what Newcastle bidded for Owen shouldn't affect our bid for him

 

Owen already said he wouldn't join them on a permanent deal and would only look to us, so if Real doesn't smarten up and lower the price for us, then MO will go to St James' with them getting absolutely nothing while having to pay a part of his wages for a year.

 

Real ain't in as good a bargaining position as some might think

[Huyton_Red]

Lyon offered £8.5 million for Baros, but he went to Villa for £6.5 million

 

Why is that ?

 

The player decides where he is going. He has already publicly stated he will not be going to Newcastle in a permanent deal, Newcastle know this so this is a PR excercise, just like the Rooney bid they knew would fail.

 

Newcastles bid is also clever for another reason, they know we are negotiating a transfer with Real, so they put in a silly bid themselves to make Real ask for more from Liverpool, Liverpool pull out and that means Owen goes to Newcastle on loan

[MarkD]

Hopefully not repeating too much here but key points seems to be;

 

a) Newcastle and Real Madrid have some history over possibly questionable transfer fees/activities (Woodgate) where one side has helped the other out with an overly large fee - possibly a reciprical action?

 

b) MO left Liverpool. We did not make him go, force him out, refuse to offer him a contract. As much as he is a better goalscorer than our current crop, we should not go on bended knee to him. Team spirit - and more importantly managerial decisions - should always come before the desires of any player.

 

c) RB has identified that our squad is poor and with a medium-degree of funding has attempted to rectify this. He knows what he needs and is working toward fixing the obvious deficincies within his initial plan.

 

d) Real Madrid have never played honest and open with us - don't expect them to now.

 

e) Most importantly, September 1st is coming and it cannot come soon enough.

[magneto]

if its 16 million then offer 10 now and 6 next year.

[bigdave50uk]

f*** £18 million according to itv text

[Lee W]

They could offer 50 million if they want. If Owen doesn't wanna go there permanently they are fecked.

[Cooldude]

What Newcastle just did seems to explain a lot about Owen suddenly coming out publicly about his situation

 

Seems to be a smart and calculated move from Owen and his advisors, we'd know from experience, of course, for the wrong reasons...

[psl]

FFS Michael, why didn't you just sign the f***ing deal?

[CarraLegend]

f*** £18 million  according to itv text

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They're f***ing idiots. I really hope they end up bankrupt one day, couldnt happen to a more s***ty club.

[yellow jumper]

Hopefully not repeating too much here but key points seems to be;

 

a) Newcastle and Real Madrid have some history over possibly questionable transfer fees/activities (Woodgate) where one side has helped the other out with an overly large fee - possibly a reciprical action?

 

b) MO left Liverpool. We did not make him go, force him out, refuse to offer him a contract. As much as he is  a better goalscorer than our current crop, we should not go on bended knee to him. Team spirit - and more importantly managerial decisions - should always come before the desires of any player.

 

c) RB has identified that our squad is poor and with a medium-degree of funding has attempted to rectify this. He knows what he needs and is working toward fixing the obvious deficincies within his initial plan.

 

d) Real Madrid have never played honest and open with us - don't expect them to now.

 

e) Most importantly, September 1st is coming and it cannot come soon enough.

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good post.

[Flasher]

We've just qulaified for CL proper = cash

Just sold Baros = cash

Might sell FSP = cash

 

Strikes me that LFC are doing everything they can to get funds for Owen

 

Bet the odds on us getting Owen are getting longer now Newcastle have made this bid. Might put a tenner on it now.