Liverpool v Everton Sunday Dec 2nd 4.15pm

[Molby]

Derby Day

These chumps will be thinking they can put one over on us and we’re vulnerable

 

But they’re s***e

So we need to steamroller them like any other mid table team and play the match not the occasion

A low key routine 2-0 is what’s needed

[épieur]

Start keita and Fabinho.

 

Figure out the rest.

[Benzo-13]

Beat these dopes

[Case]

Score half a dozen early, then in turn shout at their players ... Glen Keeley was Better than you. Terry Darracott taught you nothing. That picture of Alan Biley on your stairs? Move it up a step. Yes, Richarlison, I’m talking to you you sack of s***.

 

And so on.

 

After 20 minutes of the first half, think of something else.

Edited November 29, 2018 by Case

[Conrad]

TAA and Keita in for Lovren and Henderson only changes I'd make

[Flasher]

TAA and Keita in for Lovren and Henderson only changes I'd make

Yep. Fab isn't ready yet and much prefer TAA and Gomez..

[Hassony]

Fab isn't ready yet and much prefer TAA and Gomez..

You keep saying that but he's played better than Hendo has this season

[Flasher]

You keep saying that but he's played better than Hendo has this season

Yeah, that's why he's starting so many games...

[Hassony]

Yeah, that's why he's starting so many games...

Well neither is keita

 

And hendo/milner and Gini (last few games) haven't exactly looked good have they

[The_Adder]

Well neither is keita

 

And hendo/milner and Gini (last few games) haven't exactly looked good have they

Theyve looked s***e.

 

Fabinho, Keita and Shaq.

[Hightown Phil]

Shaqiri in midfield really doesn't work. Mainly cos he's not a midfielder mind, but he just doesn't fit. 

[Cam]

Do we still have to win 1-0 or by two clear goals...

[Barnesy_10]

Do we still have to win 1-0 or by two clear goals...

Yep 1-0 is OK apparently

[épieur]

Do we still have to win 1-0 or by two clear goals...

Any win should be enough. Don't think we're catching city on goal difference anyway

[realtarragona]

Shaqiri in midfield really doesn't work. Mainly cos he's not a midfielder mind, but he just doesn't fit.

He’s only been tried once though hasn’t he and we were 3-0 up at half time. David Silva and Bernardo Silva manage it for City. Not saying he’s nearly as good as them but you wouldn’t consider them central midfielders either. I think it’s worth another go.

[Hightown Phil]

He’s only been tried once though hasn’t he and we were 3-0 up at half time. David Silva and Bernardo Silva manage it for City. Not saying he’s nearly as good as them but you wouldn’t consider them central midfielders either. I think it’s worth another go.

 

Watford as well. He looks fine on the ball, but there's a lot of dysfunction when he hasn't got it, and I don't just mean when we haven't got it as a team.

[Flasher]

Well neither is keita

 

And hendo/milner and Gini (last few games) haven't exactly looked good have they

All true.

 

I think what we can all agree on, is that Kieta and Fabinho need to raise their game, get picked and start to deliver what we hoped they would.

[PhilM]

These are getting ideas above their station. We need to remind them.

[Will]

Double Agents

           

In advance of the first derby of the season, YNWA looks at the careers of some of those players have represented both red and blue over the years.

           

Most recent double agents

Sammy Lee took up his usual role as Assistant Manager whilst Sam Allardyce was in charge at Goodison, between December 2017 and the following May. He had a fine career in the reds midfield, bagging nineteen goals in 295 games, helping us to two European Cups, four League titles, four League Cups and the FA Charity Shield. He returned as a coach in 1992, initially being put in charge of the reserves. He left the backroom staff in the summer of 2004 for a full-time post with England, before joining Bolton Wanderers, but returned to Anfield in May 2008 as Assistant Manager, staying in that role until June 2011.

           

Gary Ablett made 147 reds appearances, scoring just once, in only his second game. He helped us to two League titles, an FA Cup and FA Charity Shield before being sold to Everton by Graeme Souness for £750,000 in January 1992, with whom he won a second FA Cup. He struck six times in 156 games for the Blues, and later returned to coach their Under-18’s. He switched back across the park in the summer of 2006 to become our new Reserve Team Manager, leading the second string to a trio of trophies in his second campaign before leaving in May 2009. He sadly died in January 2012.

           

Directly across Stanley Park in recent times

Nick Barmby and Abel Xavier both arrived at Anfield directly from Everton, while Ablett and Peter Beardsley are the latest players to move the other way. Barmby signed for the reds in July 2000 for £6m, bagging eight goals in 58 games. He had spent nearly four years at Goodison, scoring 24 times in 133 games. Xavier followed in January 2002 in a £800,000 deal. He netted twice in 21 reds games, of which we only lost three, scoring on his debut in a 6-0 thumping of Ipswich Town at Portman Road. He had played 48 times in seventeen months with the Blues, without hitting the target.

           

Beardsley was shipped across the park by Souness for £1m in August 1991. He had arrived from Newcastle United for a British record £1.9m fee four years before. In his time at Anfield he had won two League titles, an FA Cup and two FA Charity Shields, striking 59 times in 175 matches. He bagged 32 goals in 95 games while at Goodison.

           

More direct moves

Dave Hickson’s move to Anfield in November 1959 for £12,000 sparked unprecedented uproar, as he was the current Blues darling. He put almost 15,000 on the gate for the visit of League leaders Aston Villa, with one fan running on to kiss him on the cheek! He scored 38 times in 67 reds games, having grabbed 95 goals in 225 League games in his two spells with the Blues before joining the reds. Outside-left Alf Hanson signed from Everton in November 1931 and scored 52 goals in 177 reds games before we received a club record £7,500 fee from Chelsea in July 1938, although he returned to guest sixteen times for the reds during the war, bagging another three goals.

           

Winger Johnny Morrissey bagged six goals in 37 games after signing professional terms in April 1957, joining Everton for £10,000 in September 1962, for whom he struck fifty times in 314 games, helping them to two League titles. Tosh Johnson won the First and Second Division titles and FA Cup with Everton after signing from Manchester City for £6,000 in March 1930, but was past his best by the time he arrived at Anfield in March 1934. He played 38 times for us, notching eight times before joining Darwen in August 1936. Outside-right Jimmy Payne left Anfield in April 1956 after 43 goals in 243 games, but only played six times for the Blues before retiring. Jack Balmer failed to make the grade at Goodison, unlike two of his uncles, but netted 110 times in 309 reds games after signing in May 1935, including trebles in three consecutive matches on our way to the League title in 1947. He also played in the FA Cup Final three years later.

           

Centre-half Jack Heydon played 67 times for the reds after leaving Goodison in December 1948 where he had been an amateur. Inside-forward Dick Forshaw struck 124 times in 288 reds games, winning two League titles, before surprisingly being sold to Everton for £3,750 in March 1927, becoming the first player to win the championship with both clubs. In February 1912, Irish winger Billy Lacey left Goodison for Anfield, with Scotsman Tom Gracie and Harry Uren moving the other way. Lacey won two League titles with the reds, scoring 29 goals in 259 appearances, while the other two each played less than fifty times each for us.

           

Other title winners

Steve McMahon started out with Everton, striking eleven times in a century of League games before joining Aston Villa, from where he signed for the reds in September 1985 for £375,000. He bagged fifty goals in 277 reds games, winning three League titles, the FA Cup and two FA Charity Shields. David Johnson netted 78 times in 213 reds games after arriving from Ipswich Town for a club record £200,000 in August 1976, winning three League titles, European Cup, UEFA Super Cup and two FA Charity Shields, and also had two spells at Goodison, notching fifteen times in ninety League outings.

           

Right-back Andrew Hannah won the League with Everton in 1891, before helping us to the Second Division title in 1893 and playing 73 reds games, turning out for Scottish side Renton in between. England international forward Fred Geary was also a League championship winner with Everton in 1891, striking 86 times in 98 games, before moving to Anfield for £60 in 1895. He bagged fourteen goals in 45 reds games.

           

Scots crossing the park

A host of other Scottish players have made the direct switch from blue to red over the years. Left-back Duncan McLean joined the reds from Everton in 1892 and bagged six goals in 86 games, helping us to claim the Second Division title in our first ever League season. Winger Patrick Gordon arrived the following year and grabbed eight goals in thirty games. Forward Abe Hartley crossed the park in December 1897, netting once in twelve games before joining Southampton the following May.

           

Full-back David Murray also arrived from the Blues in May 1904, but only made fifteen reds appearances. Keeper Don Sloan switched in May 1908, only playing six times before returning to his former club Belfast Distillery a year later. Another custodian, Frank Mitchell, made the same journey as amateur in December 1919, signing professionally for £1,250 in February 1921. He played eighteen times before joining Tranmere Rovers in June 1923 after failing to permanently displace the great Elisha Scott.

           

Forward Billy Hartill arrived from Goodison in January 1936 and played just four times before joining Bristol Rovers after only two months at Anfield. Winger Tony McNamara struck 21 times in 111 League games for Everton before crossing the park in December 1957 for £4,000. He grabbed three goals in ten reds games, moving on to Crewe Alexandra in July 1958. Forward Tom Wyllie bagged sixteen goals in 25 senior games after signing from Everton in 1892, as well as scoring the only goal of the first ever derby meeting with his former club, in the Liverpool Senior Cup Final in 1893 after which he moved to Bury.

           

Other double agents

Sander Westerveld spent nearly three months on loan at Goodison from Portsmouth in early 2006, but only played twice for the Toffees. He made 103 reds appearances, helping us to five trophies in 2001, after signing from Vitesse Arnhem for £4m in June 1999, a then British record fee for a goalkeeper. Centre-forward Les Shannon signed professional terms in November 1944, having to wait until April 1948 to make his reds bow. He bagged just one goal in eleven games, as well as six in fifteen wartime appearances, moving on to Burnley in November 1949. He was Youth Coach at Everton for three years after retiring from playing in 1959 and is the father of former Under-16’s coach Dave Shannon.

           

In the 1990’s, David Burrows and Don Hutchinson were team-mates at Anfield, and with West Ham United, as well as both featuring for Everton. Burrows made 193 appearances in five years at Anfield, winning League, FA Cup and FA Charity Shield medals, but made just 23 outings at Goodison. Hutchinson played just sixty reds games, scoring ten times, and struck eleven times in 89 Blues games. Reds reserves Alan Harper, Mike Newell, Kevin Sheedy and Dave Watson all went on to better things when they moved to Everton during the 1980’s, while reds loanee keeper Alec Chamberlain also spent time in the Goodison reserves.

           

Forward Arthur Berry only played four times in two spells with the reds, and also played for the Blues. His best days came with the British Olympics side, winning gold in both 1908 and 1912. Other players who have lined up on both sides of Stanley Park include 1890’s England international forward Edgar Chadwick and half-back Neil McBain. Chadwick only managed 45 reds games, netting seven times, and later had a successful career as a coach in Germany and the Netherlands. McBain was at Anfield for less than a year, playing twelve times in 1928, and later became the oldest player ever to play League football, while with New Brighton in 1947. Keeper John Whitehead played just three times in the 1890’s.

[Molby]

Watford as well. He looks fine on the ball, but there's a lot of dysfunction when he hasn't got it, and I don't just mean when we haven't got it as a team.

We need to invent a position for him

Normally you just stick a ‘1’ in the formation

 

But don’t forget to subtract elsewhere or we end up with 12!

[Begbie]

Get Keita and Fabinho starting together, and give them a run in the side. Let's see what they've got. Gini can start with them, he's been less rubbish than the other options recently

 

Front 3 back to their usual positions. Back 5 picks itself

[Des]

JFW

[Flasher]

Get Keita and Fabinho starting together, and give them a run in the side. Let's see what they've got. Gini can start with them, he's been less rubbish than the other options recently

 

Front 3 back to their usual positions. Back 5 picks itself

We're two points behind City. Why do we need to drastically change stuff?

[Begbie]

We're two points behind City. Why do we need to drastically change stuff?

 

We don't

 

I've suggested bringing in our 2 big money signings. One will replace a suspended midfielder

 

Do you think that's a drastic change?

[Conrad]

I think the idea that 2 out of a formation of 3 midfielders will have just joined the club this summer and have struggled to adapt and are suddenly going to start together against Everton only has any credence on an internet forum

 

in the real world, Klopp will pick 1 of them to start on Sunday, and I'd expect Gini certainly and MIlner probably to also start. Can't see him starting Shaqiri in midfield for this one but you never know

Edited November 29, 2018 by Conrad