Southampton v LFC - League Cup Semi Final 1st Leg - 11th Jan 1945 KO

[RafaShanks]

No thread for this yet???

 

Klopp has hinted in that Karius will start this. Other than that back 4 picks itself.

 

Sturridge to start this? Phil should be on the bench.

 

Don't think Hendo will be back for this, so midfield of Gini, Lallana and Can again?

 

Origi in the Mane role?

 

Hopefully win this comfortably and rest a few players for the 2nd leg before the Chelsea game.

 

[Cobs]

there's loads of time between the 2nd leg & Chelsea fixture

[muleskinner]

Coutinho won't be involved if Klopp's to be believed that he is not 100% for Sunday.

[Cobs]

Coutinho won't be involved if Klopp's to be believed that he is not 100% for Sunday.

 

I thought that meant he's not 100% fit, which after 6+ weeks out he's not going to be but he's done the last 3 or 4 training sessions so it's match fitness he needs now so would be on the bench and get 15-20mins v Soton.

[cymrococh]

Quotes I read mentioned trying to get him some minutes at Southampton, talked about the difference between fit and match fit.

[RP]

Any spares?

[smithdown]

We will win by a Paul Walsh knockout.

 

Bang!

 

And done.

[Sir Tokyo Sexwale]

there's loads of time between the 2nd leg & Chelsea fixture

 

There's also ManU, the FACR, LCSFR2, Swansea and hopefully Wolves before Chelsea...

[Tobes Rafa]

No thread for this yet???

 

Hopefully win this comfortably and rest a few players for the 2nd leg before the Chelsea game.

Why do people do this?

[stressederic]

f***ing hell, I thought this game was tonight. That's really annoying.

[Conrad]

Why do people do this?

bonkers isn't it

 

meanwhile, back in the real world...

[RP]

Why do people do this?

Stupidity?

 

 

Ignorance?

[Leo No.8]

On another note I've just checked the date for the final hypothetically if we made it. In doing so I realised that since 2000 my record attending is six finals and six cups. But we've only won one of the five I didn't go to (Istanbul).

 

The last (and only) losing final I've been to was 1996.

 

I suppose I'd better go if we make it, for the greater good.

[RP]

On another note I've just checked the date for the final hypothetically if we made it.

 

 

The date of the final won't change, whether we make it or not.

[chiefy]

Any tips on parking near the ground? Ta

[sutty]

Any tips on parking near the ground?

 

I tend to park at Woolston and walk over that big bridge over the solent. For the league game I parked near a pub called the ship inn there. There's plenty of free parking around it. 

 

It has a big advantage in terms of getting away after the game, but it's a good 15-20 minute walk to and from the ground. 

[rednotdead]

Well feck that

http://www.shoot.co.uk/fifa-17-predicts-southampton-v-liverpool/

[chiefy]

I tend to park at Woolston and walk over that big bridge over the solent. For the league game I parked near a pub called the ship inn there. There's plenty of free parking around it. 

 

It has a big advantage in terms of getting away after the game, but it's a good 15-20 minute walk to and from the ground.

 

Magic, thanks mate

[Nebraska Red]

Well feck that

http://www.shoot.co.uk/fifa-17-predicts-southampton-v-liverpool/

No point in us showing up now. SHOOT has us losing, Klopp will be devastated.

[Will]

Double Agents

           

In advance of our second meeting of the season on Wednesday, YNWA looks at the careers of some of those players have represented both the Saints and the mighty reds over the years.

           

Latest double agents

Sadio Mané joined the reds from Southampton for an initial £30m last June. He has so far notched nine times in 21 reds games, settling in very quickly in L4. He had left Red Bull Salzburg for the Saints for £11.8m in September 2014, netting 25 times in 75 outings.

           

Right-back Nathaniel Clyne signed for £12.5m in July 2015. He has so far struck twice in 75 outings, after five goals in 104 games for Southampton since his move from Crystal Palace three years earlier. Centre-back Steven Caulker joined the reds on loan from Queens Park Rangers in January 2016, having his temporary spell at Southampton cut short to accommodate the move. He had joined the Saints from the R’s in July 2015, playing eight times. He made just four reds appearances.

           

We raided St. Mary’s for three new signings in one recent summer, with centre-forward Rickie Lambert the first to arrive in June 2014 for £4m. He joined the Saints who had just been relegated to League One from Bristol Rovers for £1m in August 2009, netting 117 times in 235 games, including all 34 penalties he took. He helped the Saints to claim the Football League Trophy in 2010, scoring in the Final at Wembley and was named in the PFA Team of the Year and as the club’s Player of the Year in two of his first three seasons on the south coast, as well as Championship Player of the Year for 2011. He is one of very few players to have scored in all four English divisions, and scored on his senior England debut in August 2013. He scored three times in 36 reds games before moving on to West Bromwich Albion in July 2015.

           

Midfielder Adam Lallana followed on the 1st July for £23m. He left Bournemouth to join the Saints in 2000, having to pay an initial £3,000 fee, although they had a 25% sell-on clause which they have benefited greatly from. He helped them to reach the FA Youth Cup Final in 2005 before breaking into the first team. He also scored in the Football League Trophy Final in 2010 and was named in the League One Team of the Year in 2011, Championship Team of the Year a year later and the PFA Team of the Year for last season, as well as winning the Players’ and Fans’ Player of the Year awards this year and making his senior international bow last November. He scored sixty goals in total in his 265 outings for Southampton, so far notching twenty times in 110 outings for the reds.

           

Croatian centre-back Dejan Lovren arrived from St. Mary’s for £20m in the same month as Lallana. He had only joined the Saints in June 2013 from Olympique Lyonnais for £8.5m, notching his first strike when he headed in the only goal of the game at Anfield in September 2013. He scored twice in 31 games before moving to Anfield. He has so far scored four times in 95 first-class appearances.

           

Sammy Lee had a fine career in the reds midfield, bagging nineteen goals in 295 games, helping us to two European Cups, four League titles, four League Cups and the FA Charity Shield. He moved to Queens Park Rangers in August 1986, arriving on the south coast in 1990 from the Spaniards Club Atlético Osasuna in 1990, playing just two League games for the Saints. He returned to Melwood as a coach in 1992, initially being put in charge of the reserves. He left the backroom staff in the summer of 2004 for a full-time post with England, before joining Bolton Wanderers, but returned to Anfield in May 2008 as Assistant Manager, staying in that role until June 2011. He returned to the south coast as First-Team Assistant Coach in June 2014, having originally agreed to be Sami Hyypiä’s assistant at Brighton & Hove Albion. He left after two years on the south coast.

           

Also recently

Jon Otsemobor joined Southampton on a free transfer from Norwich City in January 2010, moving on to Sheffield Wednesday six months later, after nineteen outings while on the south coast. Second string winger Adam Hammill joined Southampton on loan in July 2007. He made 28 appearances for the Saints that season, half of them from off the bench, without getting on the scoresheet. He was sold to Barnsley in August 2009 without having made the first-team squad.

           

Danny Guthrie journeyed to the south coast on loan in March 2007, after seven senior reds games. He turned out twelve times for the Saints, and joined Newcastle United for £2.25m in July 2008 after a season-long loan with Bolton Wanderers. Darren Potter turned out twelve times for the Saints after making a temporary move in January 2006, before returning to Anfield four months later. He made seventeen senior appearances under Rafael Benítez, but moved to Wolverhampton Wanderers in January 2007 after a successful loan spell in the Midlands.

           

More midfield maestros

Jimmy Case signed from South Liverpool for a bargain £500 in May 1973 and bagged 46 goals in 269 reds games, helping us to claim three European Cups, four League titles, UEFA Cup, UEFA Super Cup, League Cup and three FA Charity Shields, before joining Brighton & Hove Albion for £350,000 in August 1981. He moved on to Southampton in March 1985 in a £30,000 deal. He went on to play 271 times for the Saints, bagging fourteen goals, before joining Bournemouth on a free transfer in July 1991.

           

Jamie Redknapp struck 41 times in his 308 first-team appearances after signing from Bournemouth in June 1990. Although he only won one winners’ medal in his time at Anfield, the Coca Cola Cup in 1995, he was a popular member of the squad, and was club captain during the historic treble season of 2000/01, going up to lift the FA Cup at the Millennium Stadium with Robbie Fowler. He joined Tottenham Hotspur for free in April 2002, joining his dad Harry at Southampton in January 2005 on another free. He struck once in seventeen outings before being released that June.

           

Between the sticks

Bruce Grobbelaar signed from Vancouver Whitecaps for £250,000 in March 1981 and played 628 times for the reds, helping us to six League titles, one European Cup, three FA Cups, three League Cups and three FA Charity Shields. He left Anfield for Southampton on a free transfer in August 1994, turning out forty times in his two seasons at The Dell, before moving on to Plymouth Argyle. Paul Jones moved to Southampton from Stockport County for £900,000 in July 1997, playing 223 times, joining the reds on loan in January 2004 due to injuries to both Jerzy Dudek and Chris Kirkland. He went straight into the first team to face Aston Villa at Anfield the next day, but only played once more before moving permanently to Wolverhampton Wanderers for £250,000 later that month.

           

Up front

Kevin Keegan arrived for £33,000 from Sc***horpe United in May 1971 and netted exactly a century of goals in 323 reds games, helping to fire us to the European Cup, three League titles, two UEFA Cups and an FA Cup before moving to Hamburger SV for £500,000 in June 1977. He left West Germany for Southampton for £400,000 in July 1980 in a move that had been announced five months earlier. Bob Paisley revealed that the reds had had first option on Keegan, but had let him pursue a new challenge instead. He struck 42 times in eighty games for the Saints before signing for Second Division Newcastle United from Southampton for £100,000 in August 1982.

           

Peter Crouch moved back to the south coast to join Southampton in July 2004 from Aston Villa in a £2m deal. He had netted just six times in 43 games for the Midlands outfit, but had a terrific season at St. Mary’s, bagging sixteen goals in 33 games as the Saints were relegated, as well as winning his first senior international cap. He arrived at Anfield a year later for £7m on a four-year contract. He failed to score in his first nineteen reds games, but went on to bag thirteen goals in his final thirty games of his first season, helping us to claim the FA Cup in May 2006. He went on to score 42 times in 134 outings in total before being sold to Portsmouth for a fee of up to £11m in July 2008.

           

Inside-forward Jimmy Melia broke into the first team after winning England caps at schoolboy and youth level, scoring on his debut in December 1955. He went on to net 79 times in 286 reds games, helping us to the First and Second Division titles, before moving on to Wolverhampton Wanderers in March 1964, but left for Southampton for a club record £30,000 after just nine months in the Midlands. He helped them into the top flight in his first full season and moved on to Aldershot in November 1968 for £10,000 after twelve strikes in 152 games. Kenny Dalglish signed David Speedie from Coventry City for £700,000 in January 1991. He netted eight times in fourteen reds games before moving to Blackburn Rovers seven months later. He went from there to Southampton for £400,000 in 1992, netting twice in eight League outings before joining Leicester City in the summer of 1993. Ted MacDougall signed pro terms on his nineteenth birthday in January 1966 but never made our first-team, moving on to York City for £5,000 in 1967. He left Norwich City to join the Saints for £50,000 in the autumn of 1976, bagging 42 goals in 86 League outings as he helped them back into the top flight before rejoining Bournemouth for free in November 1978.

           

At the back

Mark Wright joined Southampton from Oxford United in March 1982 in a deal that saw £80,000 and forward Keith Cassells also head south, with midfielder Trevor Hebberd leaving the Saints. He had only made eleven senior appearances for the U’s, but established himself with England while at The Dell. He was named their Player of the Season in his first full season, before helping them to a second-placed League finish in 1983/84. He was sold to Derby County for a club record receipt of £760,000 in August 1987. He struck ten times in 171 appearances for the Rams before coming to Anfield for £2.2m in July 1991. With Alan Hansen retired, Glenn Hysén soon to go and Gary Gillespie moving on to Celtic, we were in dire need of a quality centre-back, and Wright was drafted in after his impressive displays for England at the 1990 World Cup. He notched nine times in 210 reds appearances and lifted the FA Cup at Wembley in 1992, retiring from the game after seven years at Anfield.

           

Barry Venison signed from Sunderland for £200,000 in August 1986. He netted three goals in 158 appearances for the reds, winning two League titles, an FA Cup and two FA Charity Shields in his time at Anfield, joining Newcastle United for £250,000 in July 1992. He signed for Southampton from Galatasaray for £850,000 in October 1995. He played thirty times for the Saints before retiring from the game a year later. Neil Ruddock signed for Southampton from Millwall for £250,000 in February 1989. He struck thirteen times in 138 games while at The Dell before rejoining Tottenham Hotspur for £750,000 in July 1992. He moved on to Anfield a year later in a £2.5m deal, making an inauspicious reds debut when he broke former red Peter Beardsley’s cheekbone in Ronnie Whelan’s testimonial match. He struck twelve times in 152 first-team appearances while at Anfield, before moving on to West Ham United in July 1998 for £100,000.

           

The management

George Kay left Luton Town to take over as Southampton boss in May 1931, revolutionising their youth system due to financial constraints. They finished in the lower reaches of the Second Division in each of his five seasons at The Dell, and he resigned in June 1936 after a new board asked him to in order to cut the wage bill. He arrived at Anfield two months later, along with trainer Bert Shelley, going on to lead us to our first League title in 24 years in 1947, and the FA Cup Final three years later, winning 142 of his 357 games in charge. He was forced to retire due to illness in February 1951, and sadly died just three years later. Amongst the players who joined the club during his tenure were the great Billy Liddell and Bob Paisley.

           

Shelley played 448 times for Southampton, a club record until the 1960’s, helping them to claim the Third Division South title in 1922. After retiring from playing, he joined George Kay’s coaching staff, firstly with their first ‘nursery’ side in the Hampshire League, and then as first-team trainer in 1935. He stayed on as Trainer at Anfield after Kay’s retirement, working under Don Welsh and Phil Taylor until 1959 when he joined the general staff, with his duties including looking after the treatment room. He was still working for the club when he died in December 1971.

           

Graeme Souness was appointed Manager of Southampton in July 1996. He was in charge at The Dell for less than a year, during which time he guided them to just one point clear of relegation from the top flight, and famously signed Ali Dia, George Weah’s alleged cousin. While at Anfield he won five League titles, three European Cups, four League Cups and three FA Charity Shields after signing from Middlesbrough for £352,000 in January 1978. He moved to Sampdoria for £650,000 in June 1984 after 55 goals in 359 games. He returned to Anfield as Manager in April 1991, although his time as reds boss was considerably less successful, with just one FA Cup triumph before his departure in January 1994. Phil Boersma signed professional terms in September 1968 and struck thirty times in 120 reds games, although he struggled to get picked in front of Kevin Keegan and John Toshack. He left the club to join Middlesbrough in December 1975 for £72,000. He later coached alongside Souness at various clubs, including Southampton.

           

Christian Damiano only spent one season with the reds after making the move from Fulham in 2003, leaving the following June and then working as Steve Wigley’s assistant at Southampton from October 2004, but both were sacked two months later. Malcolm Elias spent seven years working at Southampton’s Academy, with Theo Walcott his most high-profile discovery. He left the Saints to take over as our Academy Director of Recruitment in June 2006, moving on three years later to become Head of Talent ID and Recruitment at Fulham’s Academy.

           

More Scots

Half-back Neil McBain played twelve times after signing from St. Johnstone for £1,000 in March 1928. He moved on to Watford after eight months at Anfield, and guested for the Saints during the Second World War. Forward Abe Hartley signed from Everton for £175 in December 1897, but only notched once in twelve outings before joining Southern League side Southampton the following May. He helped them to a third consecutive title at that level in 1899, before joining Woolwich Arsenal that July.

           

Full-back Tom Robertson signed from Stoke in April 1900, playing 47 reds games without scoring and helping us to claim the League title in 1901. He joined Southampton in May 1902, leaving for Brighton & Hove Albion in the summer of 1904 after winning two Southern League championships with the Saints.

           

Other double agents

Inside-left Bert Goode struck once in seven reds outings after signing from his hometown club Chester in May 1908, moving on to Wrexham in June 1910. He guested with the Saints during the war. Southampton-born Frank Grayer signed pro terms with his hometown club in August 1908, but he only played eight League games before moving to Anfield in July 1912 for £100. However, he only played one senior reds game, as right-back in our 2-1 home defeat to Manchester United in April 1914, and was so badly wounded during the First World War that he was unable to play football again.

           

Inside-forward Edgar Chadwick had won the League with Everton in 1891, and joined Burnley aged thirty. He top scored with ten goals as they were relegated to the Second Division, before moving on to Southampton, where he struck eighteen times in 52 Southern League games, helping them to the title in 1901 and FA Cup Final a year later. As Burnley still held his Football League registration, the reds had to pay the Clarets £35 in May 1902. However, he only managed 45 reds appearances, netting seven times, and later had a successful career as a coach in Germany and the Netherlands, including guiding the Dutch national side to bronze medals in the 1908 and 1912 Olympics.

           

Centre-forward Les Bruton signed from Blackburn Rovers in February 1932 but notched just once in eight senior appearances before returning to the amateur game with Leamington Town in August 1933. He had joined the Saints from his local non-League side Foleshill for £15 in November 1922, and was released in the summer of 1926 after just seven League outings. Former reds reserves midfielder Jim Magilton joined Southampton from Oxford United for £600,000 in February 1994. He netted eighteen goals in 156 games for the Saints, before joining Sheffield Wednesday for £1.6m in September 1997. Full-back Joseph Hoare joined the reds from Southampton in May 1903, playing seven times in one year at Anfield before returning for the second of three spells with the Saints. He later ran a tobacconist’s shop in the Southampton area, returning to amateur football.

           

Mark Everton Walters was signed from Rangers by Graeme Souness for £1.25m in August 1991. The most famous of his 124 games in a red shirt came when he inspired a UEFA Cup comeback against Auxerre in 1991, as he remained on the bench for both the 1992 FA Cup Final and League Cup Final in 1995. He also scored the crucial second goal in our defeat of Manchester United that handed the title to Leeds United in April 1992, one of his nineteen reds strikes. He left Anfield to join Southampton on a free transfer in January 1996, playing just ten times before moving to Swindon Town for free six months later. Southampton-born full-back Joseph Hoare left the Saints to join the reds in May 1903 for £75, only playing seven senior games while at Anfield before returning to the south coast for the second of three spells at The Dell.

[Rory Fitzgerald]

Karius

 

Clyne Lovren Klavan Milner

 

Can Lucas Wijnaldum

 

Lallana Sturridge Origi

 

Subs: Mignolet, Moreno, Alexander-Arnold, Stewart, Ejaria, Firmino, Coutinho

 

• Strong "4" man midfield with Lucas/Can holding, Lallana/Wijnaldum taking turns to go forward

• Sturridge and Origi to start to provide an outlet but also, they probably wont start vs Utd

• Coutinho works well with Firmino, having them both on the bench allows them to come on together yets rests Firmino

 

I'm assuming Matip is still out along with Henderson. Only other players missing out on the squad (I think) are Ojo, Gruijic and Woodburn

Edited January 11, 2017 by Rory Fitzgerald

[McBain]

Karius

Clyne

Milner

Klavan

Lovren

Can

Wijnaldum

Lallana

Firmino

Sturridge

Origi

 

I've typed it out, but looking at it, it was a pointles endeavour. There's nobody else even in the frame is there? Lucas shouldn't be starting

Edited January 11, 2017 by McBain

[Rory Fitzgerald]

Their possible team;

 

 

Forster

 

Martina Yoshida Van Dijk Bertrand

 

Ward-Prowse Romeu Davis

 

Tadic Rodriguez Redmond

 

 

Possible deviations;

Right back: Cederic for Martina if he is fit

Midfield: Hojberg for WP

Attack: Long for Rodriguez

Lucas shouldn't be starting

 

Would agree in normal circumstances but there are some unusual factors here;

 

• Its the 1st leg and away from home
• We don't have an awful lot of legs in the squad as you say
• There are a lot of games coming up

If ever there was an opportunity to play Lucas in midfield then its this game. He can help us manage the tie and the squad in one go. Gets an extra man in midfield, rests a striker on the bench.

 

If we go with all our fit strikers, we'll be leaving ourselves a bit more open, not managing the squad and have no real game-changer on the bench.

[Will]

Down Memory Lane

           

YNWA looks back at our previous trips to Southampton in knock-out competitions as we prepare to visit them for a League Cup tie on Wednesday. So far we have won one, lost three and drawn the other four of our eight cup games on the south coast, all bar one at The Dell.

           

Most recent cup visits

We thumped the Saints 6-1 in a League Cup Fifth Round tie in December 2015. Forward Divock Origi bagged a hat-trick, his first reds goals after future red Sadio Mané had given the home side a very early lead but a brace from Daniel Sturridge put us ahead. Jordon Ibe was also on target after the break as we headed towards Wembley.

           

We lost a League Cup Third Round tie 2-1 in October 1999 when Michael Owen put us ahead before the home side scored through Dean Richards and Trond Egil Soltvedt.

           

Heading to Wembley

We held Southampton to a goalless draw in the first leg of our Littlewoods Cup Semi-final at The Dell in February 1987, with Paul Walsh being dismissed for retaliating after Kevin Bond spat in his face. This was the eighth time in nine seasons we had reached this stage of the competition. We won the Anfield return 3-0 to reach our sixth League Cup Final, where we unfortunately lost to Arsenal.

           

George’s first    

We were knocked out of the FA Cup by non-League opposition for the first time, as reigning Southern League champions Southampton won 4-1 in the Second Round in February 1902, with left-half George Fleming bagging our consolation, the first of his six reds strikes. Edgar Chadwick grabbed a brace three months before his move to Anfield, with ex-Evertonian Joe Turner and Bert Lee also netting.

           

Three in a row

We visited The Dell three seasons in a row in the FA Cup, without tasting victory on the south coast. We were held to a goalless draw in the Third Round in February 1924 and again in January 1926, although we won the Anfield replays on both these occasions before falling at the next hurdle.

           

We lost 1-0 in a Fourth Round meeting in March 1925 when Bill Rawlings converted a late free-kick after the home side had twice struck the woodwork. The Saints therefore reached the Semi-final, where they lost out to eventual winners Sheffield United.

           

A sporting draw

Paul Walsh netted late on as we drew 1-1 in the group stage of the Screen Sport Super Cup, with David Armstrong scoring one of his four goals against us. We went on to top the group and eventually claim the one-off trophy by beating Everton in the two-legged Final.

[PhilM]

Let's smash the piss out of them and worry about it later.