So, Poppies

[Tosh]

Political symbol or symbol of rememberance?

 

And how the hell can the Welsh FA stop fans in the crowd wearing these "political symbols"?

[stressederic]

Political symbol or symbol of rememberance?

 

They're both. The poppy and the act of remembrance has always been political and politicised since the end of the First World War.

[Tosh]

Therefore FIFA are involved? But if they are, should they be able to have a pop at the Welsh for allowing fans to wear Poppies? - Personally I don't see it as a political symbol but an act of remembering ALL who died in wars - with Armistice being the trigger

 

If I rock up at an international wearing a "Guy Fawkes" T shirt, adopted by Occupy, do FIFA have a right to have a go at the FA for allowing me in the ground? And if so, what the hell happened to civil liberties...?

[stressederic]

Therefore FIFA are involved? But if they are, should they be able to have a pop at the Welsh for allowing fans to wear Poppies? - Personally I don't see it as a political symbol but an act of remembering ALL who died in wars - with Armistice being the trigger

 

If I rock up at an international wearing a "Guy Fawkes" T shirt, adopted by Occupy, do FIFA have a right to have a go at the FA for allowing me in the ground? And if so, what the hell happened to civil liberties...?

 

I think having a pop at the fans is a daft position from Fifa.

 

They're on firmer ground with banning teams from wearing it. The FA etc can chat all they want about it not being a political symbol, but they weren't bothered about wearing it on shirts/armbands at all until 2010 so something has obviously changed for them since then. It just ends up looking like they want to pick a fight with FIFA over something and they've picked the poppy because they know it's an emotive issue. Ironically by doing so they've contributed to making it a political symbol.

 

And whilst it's entirely reasonable to use the poppy to commemorate all who died in wars, it's roots aren't in that sentiment and I don't think the Royal British Legion share it either.

[scoose]

For me its personal. I wear one for me grandad who was a para in the second world war.

 

Fifa should f*** off trying to penalise wales if its about people in the crowd doing what they want to and feel is right

[Bailo]

I don't get that, surely you Remember him on a personal level without needing the public display?

[scoose]

I don't get that, surely you Remember him on a personal level without needing the public display?

 

yes but he used to take me as a kid to remembrance sunday and he always had a poppy. It was something he wanted and liked so i'm sound with it

Edited November 23, 2016 by scoose

[Bailo]

yes but he used to take me as a kid to remembrance sunday and he always had a poppy. It was something he wanted and liked so i'm sound with it

Fair enough.

[scoose]

Fair enough.

 

its one of them.

 

He got wounded twice, was in arnhem and swam the river to get out, was in the ardennes and was army boxing champion at 3 weights so fairs fair like.

 

Nearly forgot to add that he taught me to play pool and also what a round is and never to be a mingebag.

 

A poppy is a fair exchange for all that i think

Edited November 23, 2016 by scoose

[PhilM]

It's in FIFA's charter to make a show of themselves as often as possible.

[Gunga Din]

its individual choice, but i dont think they have any place on a football shirt, national, club side or whatever. i dont like much of what FIFA do, but theyre 100% on the money here in banning national teams from wearing it. Whether a spectator wears a poopy at the ground is no ones business but that of the individual

[Hassony]

Imagine if Serbia started to wear a symbol for their fallen soldiers, not sure that the bosnians, Croatians...etc will see it as not political

[mally]

Imagine if Serbia started to wear a symbol for their fallen soldiers, not sure that the bosnians, Croatians...etc will see it as not political

 

Imagine if they didn't.

[New York Red]

Political symbol or symbol of rememberance?

 

And how the hell can the Welsh FA stop fans in the crowd wearing these "political symbols"?

More bullsh*t from the authorities. Stopping people from wearing poppies? Absolutely ridiculous.

[Stanley Leisure]

I wear a poppie, I'm comfortable doing so, but this ridiculous hoo ha was just a distraction wasn't it? An exercise in jingoism by a government (and media) f*cking the country up in almost every other way.

[jimbolala]

The same govt that wants us all to wear poppies, is quite alright with homeless ex-serviceman. That's the bit that should be highlighted.

[kop205]

Not sure that is the argument really