Tottenham v Liverpool FC sat 27 Aug 12.30 ko

[Conrad]

So, Mane to come back in. I'd also play Moreno ahead of Milner. Can (or Milner) for Henderson, Matip league debut.

 

Fully expect at least a point here

 

Mignolet

Clyne-Lovren-Matip-Moreno

Can-Wijnaldum-Lallana

Coutinho-Mane-Firmino

[Swipe]

Can defo to come in if he's fit. Midfield is just too light without him for me. 

[Rory Fitzgerald]

I could see Origi starting this one. If Spurs want to press and push up, we would have 2 outlet channels with him and Mane.

 

Can Henderson midfield. Mane right, Firmino left and Coutinho central to collect passes and hopefully feed in some good balls on the counter.

[surf]

would have milner or henderson ahead of wijnaldum in midfield for away games and against stronger teams

[Molby]

Obviously need Origi and Mane

Firmino too

Coutinho Can and some other geezer, as long as they promise to defend like Lucas and cover the ground like a gazelle

 

 

Need to get their midfield turned ASAP on this one

 

Like we didn't do against Burnley

[Metro]

Can defo to come in if he's fit. Midfield is just too light without him for me. 

It's too light full stop!

[fred milne]

I'd be quite bullish and look to take the game to them:

 

Mignolet
Clyne Matip Lovren Moreno
Henderson Can Wijnaldum
Mane Origi Coutinho

[Romario]

Mane off Origi is a must.

[Walrus]

Firmino has been very poor so far. (Didn't see the game last night mind) I'd be tempted to drop him.

[Cunny]

my birthday Saturday so we'll t*** these, guaranteed.

[McBain]

Firmino has been very poor so far. (Didn't see the game last night mind) I'd be tempted to drop him.

He's probably at risk having started all three. But last night he seemed noticeably happier not being the main man. He dropped deep, linked with Milner, arrived late into the box unmarked, and generally was a threat. I don't think it was a coincidence Origi was playing upfront

[Will]

Double Agents

           

In advance of our first League meeting of the season on Saturday, YNWA looks at the careers of some of those who have represented both Tottenham Hotspur and the reds. There have been quite a lot of players in this situation, with most of the traffic being from north to south.

           

Current double agents

Alex Inglethorpe joined Spurs’ coaching staff from Exeter City in June 2006, spending a short time as Assistant Manager to Clive Allen when he was in the top job as Caretaker between the reigns of Martin Jol and Juande Ramos. He moved on to the reds in November 2012 as Reserve Team Head Coach, taking over as Academy Director in August 2014. Defender Kevin Stewart joined Spurs’ Academy in July 2010, moving to the reds on a free transfer in July 2014, playing his first reds game in our friendly defeat at Brøndby IF later that month. He has now made thirteen senior reds appearances since debuting at Exeter City last January.

           

Brad Friedel made 31 first-team appearances for us after signing from US side Columbus Crew for £1m in December 1997, moving to Blackburn Rovers on a free transfer in November 2000. He joined Spurs for free from Aston Villa in June 2011, turning out 67 times before retiring at the end of the 2014/15 season, aged 44 years old. He still works for Spurs as a Club Ambassador in the USA. Chilean keeper Lawrence Vigouroux joined Spurs’ Academy in 2012, moving on to the reds two years later. He left for Swindon Town last July after a successful loan spell with the Robins.

           

Recent double agents in North London

Peter Crouch spent two years at White Hart Lane as a professional before joining Queens Park Rangers in July 2000 for £60,000, without having made the first-team. He arrived at Anfield from Southampton for £7m in July 2005, and struck 42 times in 134 games, helping us to claim the FA Cup and FA Community Shield before rejoining Portsmouth for a fee of up to £11m in July 2008. However, he returned to north London in July 2009 after just one season at Fratton Park, bagging 24 goals in 94 outings before being sold to Stoke City for £10m in August 2011.

           

Robbie Keane joined the reds for £19.3m from Spurs in July 2008, having helped them to claim the Carling Cup earlier in the year, notching 107 times in 254 games since arriving from Leeds United for £7m in August 2002. He struck seven times in 28 reds outings before returning to north London for an initial £15m fee in February 2009. He grabbed fifteen goals in 52 games in his second spell with Spurs, scoring their consolation in our 3-1 Anfield victory back in May 2009. However, he moved to LA Galaxy in a £3.5m deal in August 2011, after loan spells with Celtic and West Ham United.

           

At the back

Ray Clemence left Anfield while still at his peak in August 1981 for £300,000, after 665 appearances, having won five League titles, three European Cups, two UEFA Cups, FA Cup, League Cup, UEFA Super Cup and four FA Charity Shields in his fourteen years at Anfield. He won a second FA Cup winner’s medal in his first season with Spurs, playing on until 1987 and making 240 League appearances for them. He had signed from Sc***horpe United for just £18,000 in June 1967. His son Stephen also represented the north London side.

           

John Scales joined Spurs for £2.6m in December 1996 after four goals in 94 reds games, having signed from Wimbledon for £3.5m in September 1994. He only made 37 appearances in nearly four years in North London, notching once as he continued to struggle with injuries. Fellow centre-half Neil Ruddock had two spells with Spurs prior to his big move to Anfield in July 1993. He played 61 times for them, netting five goals, while he struck twelve times in 152 reds games.

           

Left-back Paul Konchesky joined Spurs on loan from Charlton Athletic in September 2003, turning out fifteen times without scoring. Roy Hodgson paid £3.5m for him on transfer deadline day in August 2010, as well as transferring Lauri Dalla Valle and Alex Kacaniklic to Fulham as part of the deal, who were valued at a combined £1.5m. He made eighteen reds appearances without scoring, being sold to Leicester City for £1.5m in July 2011 after a loan spell with Nottingham Forest.

           

Short-lived reds left-back Christian Ziege left Anfield for Spurs in July 2001 for £4m. He only made 55 appearances for them, bagging ten goals, before returning to his native land in June 2004, signing for Borussia Mönchengladbach. He had netted twice in 32 games in his one year with the reds, helping us to claim the Worthington Cup. Full-back John Stephenson played for our second string in the Lancashire Combination, without ever making our first-team. He joined Spurs from Swindon Town in April 1901, but could only make four Southern League appearances for them.

           

Centre-back Steven Caulker joined the reds on loan from Queens Park Rangers last January, having his temporary spell at Southampton cut short to accommodate the move. He made four reds appearances. He had come through Spurs’ Academy, signing pro terms in July 2009. He moved to Cardiff City for a club record fee in excess of £8m four years later after two goals in 29 outings.

           

North London bosses

Keith Burkinshaw became Spurs manager in July 1976, staying in the White Hart Lane hot-seat until June 1984, leading them to two FA Cup wins, and the UEFA Cup. He made only one reds appearance in his four years at Anfield after signing from Denaby United in November 1953, against Port Vale in April 1955. Doug Livermore signed from Bolton Wanderers in November 1965 and made just eighteen appearances in our midfield without scoring before joining Norwich City five years later. He spent several years on the coaching staff at White Hart Lane before becoming their Manager for the 1992/93 season, working with Ray Clemence and leading them to eighth in the Premier League. He returned to Anfield as Roy Evans’ assistant in 1994, helping us to claim the Coca Cola Cup the following year, but left at the same time as Roy four years later.

           

Striking stars moving south

Paul Walsh left Anfield for Spurs in February 1988 for £500,000, having struck 37 times in 112 reds games, and winning a League title in 1986 and the Screen Sport Super Cup after arriving from Luton Town for £700,000 in May 1984. He spent four years in North London, but only grabbed 21 goals in 156 appearances, before moving on to Portsmouth for £400,000 in June 1992. Ronnie Rosenthal netted 22 times in 97 appearances in a red shirt, before joining Spurs for £250,000 in January 1994. He stayed for three and a half years, helping them to an FA Cup win at Anfield in March 1995. He notched just eleven times in exactly a hundred outings for the North London outfit, before moving on to Watford on a free transfer in August 1997.

           

Harry Bradshaw, the first red to win international honours, scored 51 times in 138 games for Liverpool, helping us to two Second Division titles before joining Spurs in May 1898, who were then in the Southern League. Frank O’Donnell guested for both clubs during the Second World War, netting once in two reds games during 1940/41.

           

In the middle

Graeme Souness started his career at White Hart Lane, but failed to make his mark, and so moved on to Middlesbrough. He arrived at Anfield from the north east in January 1978 for £352,000, and went on to play 359 reds games, scoring 55 goals as we won five League titles, three European Cups, four League Cups and three FA Charity Shields. Spurs added to their treatment room woes when they took on Jamie Redknapp in April 2002 after he had made 308 reds appearances in his eleven and a half years at Anfield, scoring 41 times. He played just 49 times for the Lilywhites, bagging four goals, before joining his father at Southampton in January 2005. He had started out as a schoolboy with Spurs before starting his professional career with Bournemouth, from whom he signed for the reds for £350,000 in January 1991.

           

Nick Barmby started his career at White Hart Lane, netting 28 times in 110 games before moving to Middlesbrough in August 1995. He crossed Stanley Park in July 2000, grabbing eight goals in 58 reds games before moving on again to Leeds United in August 2002. Øyvind Leonhardsen struck seven goals in 49 reds games before moving to Spurs for £3m in August 1999. He struck eleven times in 72 games for Spurs, before joining Aston Villa three years later. Paul Stewart spent four years with Spurs before moving to Anfield in July 1992 for £2.3m. He had bagged 38 goals in 173 games for the North London outfit, including one in the 1991 FA Cup Final. However, his reds career was far less successful, as he scored just three times in 42 games during his four years in L4.

           

Danny Murphy arrived from Crewe Alexandra for an overall £3m fee in July 1997. Spud was nearly on his way out early into his Anfield career, but later established himself as a vital squad member. He made a total of 249 first-team appearances, notching 44 times, and helping us to claim the UEFA Cup, FA Cup, League Cup, UEFA Super Cup and FA Charity Shield as well as scoring the winning goal at Old Trafford three times in four seasons, before moving to Charlton Athletic for £2.5m in August 2004. He then switched to Spurs for a fee of up to £2m in January 2006. He only played 29 times for the North London outfit, finding the back of the net just twice, moving across town again to sign for Fulham in August 2007.

           

Other double agents

Damien Comolli became Director of Football with Spurs in 2005, before being dismissed in October 2008 along with Manager Juande Ramos and the rest of the senior coaching staff. He helped to bring in Gareth Bale, Dimitar Berbatov, Heurelho Gomes, Luka Modrić and Roman Pavlyuchenko, amongst others. He was appointed in a new role with the reds of Director of Football Strategy in November 2010, before being promoted to Director of Football four months later. However, he left by mutual consent in April 2012. Zaf Iqbal left White Hart Lane in the summer of 2010 to become the reds’ First Team Doctor, remaining at Melwood until last January. His first break in football came at Leyton Orient before spells with England’s youth teams attracted the interest of Tottenham Hotspur. He began working with Spurs’ Academy before becoming their First Team Doctor in 2008.

           

Joseph Brough signed from Port Vale in August 1910 and struck three times in eleven senior outings before joining Stoke in January 1912. He had played twice for Spurs in 1908 prior to joining Vale. Forward Charlie Hewitt left Spurs to join his brother Joe at Anfield in August 1907 for a £75 fee, a year before they made it into the Football League. He netted six goals in sixteen games, including one on his debut at Nottingham Forest, before joining West Bromwich Albion for the same fee in April 1908.

           

Outside-left Fred Hopkin netted twelve times in 360 reds games after signing from Manchester United for £2,800 in May 1921, helping us to back-to-back League titles in the early 1920’s before re-joining former club Darlington in August 1931. He had guested with Spurs during the war. Frank Brettell was on the administrative staff between 1892 and 1896. He became Spurs’ first ever Manager in March 1898, overseeing their transition into a Limited Company before leaving for Portsmouth in February 1899. Early twentieth century reds reserve Tom Soulsby also played for Spurs.

[Will]

Down Memory Lane

           

YNWA looks back at our past memorable League trips to Spurs as we make our 74th League visit to White Hart Lane on Saturday. Our record in that part of North London currently stands at 22 wins, sixteen draws and 35 defeats.

           

Recent managerial milestones

Jürgen Klopp took charge of his first game as we held Spurs to a goalless draw in October 2015. Joe Allen made his hundredth reds outing while Divock Origi struck the crossbar. Brendan Rodgers led us to a 56th win in his hundredth game as reds boss as we won 3-0 in August 2014. Raheem Sterling opened the scoring before Steven Gerrard converted a new club record 43rd penalty. Left-back Alberto Moreno bagged his first goal for the club, with Mario Balotelli making his reds bow.

                       

Taking a battering

We thumped Spurs 5-0 in December 2013, our record win at White Hart Lane, despite being without skipper Steven Gerrard and Daniel Sturridge. Captain for the day Luis Suárez bagged a brace, with Jon Flanagan netting his first reds goal. Jordan Henderson and Raheem Sterling also struck as Paulinho was sent off for the home side in the second half. The game proved to be André Villas-Boas’ last game in charge of the home side.

           

Five defeats in a row

Prior to the last three seasons we had lost on our five most recent visits, including a 4-0 thumping in September 2011, Kenny Dalglish’s worst ever defeat as reds boss. Sebastián Coates made his reds bow as a first-half replacement for the injured Daniel Agger just before Charlie Adam was sent off after two cautions with the reds 1-0 down thanks to a Luka Modrić strike. Martin Škrtel was also dismissed for a second yellow card, shortly before Jermain Defoe doubled Spurs’ lead, one of his four goals against us to date. Emmanuel Adebayor then added a late brace, the most recent of his five strikes past us.

           

We went down 2-1 in November 2012, when Aaron Lennon and Gareth Bale both scored early on. A Steven Gerrard header was cleared off the line by Lennon, but rebounded off Bale for an own goal after the break. We lost by the same score two years earlier, despite Jermain Defoe missing a penalty. Martin Škrtel opened the scoring before putting through his own net in the second half. Jamie Carragher dislocated his shoulder late on before Aaron Lennon bagged an injury-time winner.

           

We opened our season in August 2009 with a 2-1 reverse, with Steven Gerrard bagging our goal from the spot. Young centre-half Daniel Sánchez Ayala came off the bench to make his debut when Martin Škrtel had to go off following a clash of heads with Jamie Carragher, with right-back Glen Johnson also making his reds bow. We lost by the same score in torrential rain in November 2008, despite taking the lead through Dirk Kuyt and then hitting the woodwork three times. Spurs equalised through a Jamie Carragher own goal before Roman Pavlyuchenko secured an unlikely victory.

           

Also recently

We won in May 2008, with Fernando Torres and Andriy Voronin on target in a 2-0 victory. This was the first ever English top-flight match between two teams managed by Spaniards, while Torres struck his 24th League goal of the season in our final fixture, to break Ruud van Nistelrooy’s record for an overseas player in his first English campaign. This was Voronin’s sixth and final reds strike. Luis García grabbed the only goal of the game in December 2006, his thirtieth and final reds strike. This completed our twelfth League double over the North London outfit.

           

We lost 2-1 in January 2004, with Harry Kewell nabbing our consolation after Igor Bišcan had given away a penalty, netted by future red Robbie Keane, the first of his five goals past us, and a second Spurs goal from Helder Postiga, his only Premiership goal. This was loanee keeper Paul Jones’s second and final reds appearance. Seven months later, Djibril Cissé struck the opening goal of the Premiership season, and his first for the reds, as we drew 1-1 with Defoe equalising.

           

Winning the title

We claimed our fourteenth League title in April 1983, despite losing 2-0, as our closest rivals Manchester United dropped points at Norwich City meaning that no team could catch us, with three reds games remaining. Steve Archibald bagged two of his six goals against the reds. Spurs were presented with the championship trophy by Football League President Arthur Drewry in May 1951, having secured the title in the previous game after being promoted as Second Division champions only the previous season. We lost 3-1 that day, with Albert Stubbins on target late on. Sonny Walters struck the first of his four goals against the reds, with Peter Murphy and Len Duquemin also on target.

           

Goalscoring milestones

John Barnes bagged a brace in our 3-1 victory in August 1995, with the second being his hundredth reds goal, while Robbie Fowler netted his fiftieth reds strike. Digger also struck an own goal past David James in this match! This was our 500th away win in the top flight.

           

Ian Rush’s second strike in our 3-1 win in November 1990 was our 5,000th goal in top-flight League football. Peter Beardsley was also on the scoresheet, having come on in place of John Barnes early in the first half. Bruce Grobbelaar reached a personal milestone in this game, playing for the reds for the 500th time as we won for the tenth time in our opening eleven League matches. Gary Lineker netted Spurs’ consolation, the last of his six goals against the reds. Howard Gayle scored his only reds goal, on his full debut, as we drew 1-1 in April 1981, with Glenn Hoddle scoring one of his four goals past us. Steve Heighway scored on his 25th birthday as we won 2-1 in November 1972, with Kevin Keegan also netting and Martin Chivers bagging one of his seven goals against the reds.

           

More red debutants

Michael Thomas made his reds bow against his boyhood favourites in our 2-1 victory in December 1991, with Dean Saunders and Ray Houghton on target after ex-red Paul Walsh had opened the scoring. Berry Nieuwenhuys made his debut in our 3-0 win back in September 1933, the first of his 260 reds appearances. Forward Sam English bagged a brace, with outside-left Alf Hanson also on target. Bill Shankly’s last official game in charge ended in a 1-1 draw in May 1974, a match postponed from two months earlier, with our goal coming from Steve Heighway. Maxwell Thompson became our youngest ever League debutant, aged just seventeen years and 129 days, while Ian Callaghan was making his 500th League appearance.

           

Hat-tricks for

In March 1964, Roger Hunt scored all three goals in our 3-1 win, in front of 57,022, the biggest ever crowd for this fixture. In December 1951, Billy Liddell scored all our goals, including a penalty, in our 3-2 win, his first of five reds trebles. Sonny Walters struck one of his four goals against the reds with Les Bennett also on the scoresheet.

           

Also this millennium

We came from behind in March 2003 to win in the League for the first time in eighteen months, as goals from Michael Owen, Emile Heskey and Steven Gerrard gave us a 3-2 win, with Teddy Sheringham bagging the last of his seven goals against the reds and Mauricio Tarrico also on target. In April 2002, our championship challenge ended as Gus Poyet scored the only goal of the game, our first defeat in fifteen League games. Michael Owen made his 150th League appearance, while Jari Litmanen played his 43rd and final game for us. New signing Jamie Redknapp was introduced to the Spurs crowd before kick-off.

           

In November 2000, Robbie Fowler gave us the lead before Les Ferdinand levelled the match with the last of his six strikes past us. Tim Sherwood’s winner was the hundredth goal we had conceded under Gérard Houllier’s sole charge. Ten months earlier, Chris Armstrong scored the only goal of the game. This was the first we had conceded in the new millennium, and was his fiftieth Spurs goal.

           

Hat-tricks against

In April 1963, Jimmy Greaves scored the first four of his twelve goals past us, including a penalty, for Spurs as they trounced us 7-2. Roger Hunt grabbed both our goals, with Cliff Jones netting two of his five against the reds and Frank Saul also on the scoresheet. 28 years earlier, Welshman Willie Evans scored a hat-trick for Tottenham as the already-relegated side thrashed us 5-1, with South African outside-right Berry Nieuwenhuys netting our consolation while forward Sam English played his fiftieth and final reds game. George Hunt scored one of his five goals past us, with Len Bolan also scoring.

           

In October 1925, Frank Osborne scored all three Tottenham goals as we went down 3-1, the first of three consecutive League trebles he struck for the Londoners and the first of his four goals against the reds. Forward Dick Forshaw was on target for us, while South African Arthur Riley made his debut in our goal, becoming the first player born outside the British Isles to represent the club.

           

Other memorable meetings

Jamie Carragher scored an own goal in our 2-1 defeat in December 1998, which he also did in the reverse fixture later that season. Patrik Berger netted our consolation, with Ruel Fox also on target. We were held to a 2-2 draw in November 1983 with Michael Robinson and Ian Rush on target for the reds, and Steve Archibald scoring the last of his six goals past us and Glenn Hoddle converting a penalty, the last of his four strikes against the reds. Alan Hansen played his 300th reds game that day. Ian Callaghan played his 700th reds game in March 1975 as we won 2-0 through goals from Kevin Keegan and Peter Cormack.

           

We lost 2-0 in September 1971 in what was our 3,000th first-class fixture, with Martin Peters netting one of his fourteen goals against us, and Martin Chivers scoring one of his seven. Harry Chambers bagged a brace with Cyril Gilhespy netting his third and final reds goal and Dick Forshaw also on target as we won 4-2 in November 1922. Forshaw had also struck in December 1924 as we drew 1-1, the seventh of eight consecutive games in which he was on target. This was Spurs’ hundredth top-flight stalemate. Right-back Jimmy ‘Parson’ Jackson scored the first of his two reds strikes as we lost 3-1 in December 1927. Frank Osborne bagged the last of his four goals past us with Jack Elkes nabbing the first two of his four against the reds.

           

We secured our first ever victory away to Spurs at the eighth attempt in October 1921, with Harold Beadles heading in the only goal of the game after Dick Forshaw’s volley had rebounded back off the crossbar. Our first ever meeting with Spurs ended in defeat, with winger Bert Middlemiss netting the only goal of the game in November 1909 as Ronald Orr missed a penalty for the reds. We were beaten 2-0 two years later, with keeper Sam Hardy playing his 200th League game for the reds as Billy Minter bagged one of his five goals against the reds and Bert Middlemiss also on target. Kevin Keegan, Jimmy Case, Phil Neal and Steve Heighway all struck as we won 4-0 in December 1975, with Heighway playing his 200th League game for the club.

           

We won 2-0 in November 1987 thanks to goals from Steve McMahon and Craig Johnston, in what was Kenny Dalglish’s hundredth League game in charge. Steve Hodge was sent off for elbowing Ray Houghton inside the first twenty minutes, while Gary Gillespie broke Spurs’ Neil Ruddock’s leg in a challenge. The home side were being managed for the first time by Terry Venables. Kenny Dalglish was dropped for the first time in his reds career when Joe Fagan left him out of our Friday night live televised match in October 1984 that we lost 1-0 thanks to a first-half Garth Crooks goal, the first of his four against us. Fagan later admitted that it was his “daftest decision” as reds boss.

[ThewaytoRome]

Firmino has been very poor so far. (Didn't see the game last night mind) I'd be tempted to drop him.

He was excellent against arsenal

[Walrus]

He was excellent against arsenal

Easily our least effective attacking player.

[Euphrates]

I'd be quite bullish and look to take the game to them:

 

Mignolet

Clyne Matip Lovren Moreno

Henderson Can Wijnaldum

Mane Origi Coutinho

I think Klopp will start Milner in place of Moreno and Lallana in place of Wijnaldum but agree with everything else.

 

That's if Can is actually fit and we don't have to play Henderson or Stewart in his place.

 

[Molby]

Firmino has been very poor so far. (Didn't see the game last night mind) I'd be tempted to drop him.

Except for two thirds of his games

[Red Yoda]

--------------------Mignolet

 

Clyne-------Matip-------Lovren------Milner

 

----Henderson-----Can-----Lallana

 

Mane---------------Origi------------Coutinho

[Romario]

I'm hoping mane remains the player we've seen and doesn't slide into mediocrity as the weight of what's expected takes hold.

Watching the highlights again he's incredible.

[smithdown]

I'm hoping mane remains the player we've seen and doesn't slide into mediocrity as the weight of what's expected takes hold.

Watching the highlights again he's incredible.

If they don't keep up with him he will just have to welly it into whatever corner of the net is most convenient all on his todd

[ChrisC]

Hard to see where Wijnaldum is fitting in right now, he certainly doesn't strike me as the CM we've been crying out for, seems slow on the ball and pretty poor positionally, not much (if any) upgrade on Henderson right now.

 

Mane, Origi and Phil up top for me, Firmino / Sturridge coming on if we need to change things second half.

[Walrus]

Except for two thirds of his games

He clearly wasn't very good against Arsenal. Kept losing the ball more than anyone. At Burnley he tried a couple of long shots and didn't seem to get into the game at all. The third game I didn't see.

 

Might be the role he's been asked to play or whatever but he certainly hasn't started the season very well.

[Molby]

He clearly wasn't very good against Arsenal. Kept losing the ball more than anyone. At Burnley he tried a couple of long shots and didn't seem to get into the game at all. The third game I didn't see.

 

Might be the role he's been asked to play or whatever but he certainly hasn't started the season very well.

 

neither have you*

 

 

*that's what I would be saying if I'd woken up in a bad mood and was looking for an argument

 

pint?

[surf]

with can & origi probably out:

 

Mignolet

Clyne-Lovren-Matip-Moreno

Henderson-Milner

Mane-Firmino-Coutinho

Sturridge

[Barnesy_10]

whats up with Origi now?