Bradford Fire

[Dan]

Probably deserves its own thread.

 

Shocking stuff here in a new book by a survivor:

 

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2015/apr/15/bradford-fire-stafford-heginbotham-martin-fletcher?CMP=share_btn_tw

 

 

[Ed the Wool]

Just seen this myself Dan. Jesus Christ.

 

There's some serious questions there.

[downunder]

Wow, is the only word that comes to mind.

[Bogman]

Everytime I go on my Fire-Marshall course/refresher for work, we get shown the video.

Horrific. Doesn't get any easier watching the tv coverage over the years.

[muleskinner]

Everytime I go on my Fire-Marshall course/refresher for work, we get shown the video.

Horrific. Doesn't get any easier watching the tv coverage over the years.

Same here, its shocking stuff. The speed it ripped through the stand is astonishing.

[Jarg Armani]

I'm speechless after reading that.

 

Popplewell too...

[Sir Tokyo Sexwale]

f***ing hell

[Bogman]

Same here, its shocking stuff. The speed it ripped through the stand is astonishing.

 

 

It's the directors who sat in their seats watching it all, that brings it home how quick it spread.

They died where they sat.

 

The ineptness of it all:- having the underneath of the wooden stand crammed with old programmes, the entrance behind one goal locked and the fact the ambulances couldn't get down the road.

[Duncan Disorderly]

F*ck me, but that's a shocking read!

[Jarg Armani]

 

 

It's the directors who sat in their seats watching it all, that brings it home how quick it spread.

They died where they sat.

 

The ineptness of it all:- having the underneath of the wooden stand crammed with old programmes, the entrance behind one goal locked and the fact the ambulances couldn't get down the road.

 

It doesn't sound like ineptness any more reading that article mate.

And as for this f***ing evil t***:

 

A retired judge has sparked fury by calling on the Liverpool families involved in the Hillsborough disaster to behave more like the relatives of victims of the Bradford City stadium disaster.

 

Sir Oliver Popplewell, who chaired the public inquiry into the 1985 fire at the Valley Parade stadium that killed 56 people, called on the Liverpool families to look at the "quiet dignity and great courage" relatives in the West Yorkshire city have shown in the years following the tragedy.

 

He made the comments in a letter to The Times following the Commons debate this week calling for all the Cabinet papers on Hillsborough to be released.

 

He said: "The citizens of Bradford behaved with quiet dignity and great courage. They did not harbour conspiracy theories. They did not seek endless further inquiries.

 

"They buried their dead, comforted the bereaved and succoured the injured. They organised a sensible compensation scheme and moved on.

 

"Is there, perhaps, a lesson there for the Hillsborough campaigners?"

 

 

[Ed the Wool]

Popplewell.

 

If you were a gambling man, what would be the odds on say, he and the owner being masons?

[Earl Hafler]

Popplewell.

 

If you were a gambling man, what would be the odds on say, he and the owner being masons?

Probably knows Bettison.

[Tones]

Read that earlier. Shocking stuff. Definitely questions that need answered there.

[D.Boon]

Everytime I go on my Fire-Marshall course/refresher for work, we get shown the video.

Horrific. Doesn't get any easier watching the tv coverage over the years.

Yeah seen it too many times now

[New York Red]

Absolutely shocking.

[cymrococh]

 

“Why was it left to the 12-year-old who lost three generations and four members of his family, who was with over 40 people when they died within a 10-yard radius of him, who somehow got out of the stand, as the last person to get out, the only person to get out the front after being at the back, and the only person to survive the smoke?” he asks.

 

“My mum said to me two days after the fire: ‘Maybe you’re here for a reason.’ Well, maybe the reason I am here is to – finally – reveal the truth, not only for my own family but for the families of all the people who died around me.

...

“What I find amazing is that but for my survival none of this would have ever come to light. People would never have known. It’s a failure of a rule of law in this country. For it to be left to a 12-year-old survivor to get to 27, wanting to prove his mother wrong and give her peace of mind, and for him to lose the next 15 years of his life … I don’t know what it says about the UK, or the system we live within, but it is the ultimate indictment because it is not my duty. It should not be my role. But it has been left to me.”

 

Heartbreaking. Brings Anne Williams to mind.

Edited April 16, 2015 by cymrococh

[Snookie]

That is heartbreaking and raise serious questions about Popplewell's inquiry.

[Earl Hafler]

Heartbreaking. Brings Anne Williams to mind.

What you've quoted there should be discussed for hours on news channels

 

The horrific sight of that poor bloke walking out from the stand on fire from head to toe...

[Ostrich Man]

aye the place I worked previously fire warden training showed it everytime - beyond gut wrenchingly horrific.

 

 

then you see the fans on the pitch bouncing about having a laugh in front of the cameras...little did they know what was really going on.

[Duncan Disorderly]

 

It doesn't sound like ineptness any more reading that article mate.

And as for this f***ing evil t***:

 

A retired judge has sparked fury by calling on the Liverpool families involved in the Hillsborough disaster to behave more like the relatives of victims of the Bradford City stadium disaster.

 

Sir Oliver Popplewell, who chaired the public inquiry into the 1985 fire at the Valley Parade stadium that killed 56 people, called on the Liverpool families to look at the "quiet dignity and great courage" relatives in the West Yorkshire city have shown in the years following the tragedy.

 

He made the comments in a letter to The Times following the Commons debate this week calling for all the Cabinet papers on Hillsborough to be released.

 

He said: "The citizens of Bradford behaved with quiet dignity and great courage. They did not harbour conspiracy theories. They did not seek endless further inquiries.

 

"They buried their dead, comforted the bereaved and succoured the injured. They organised a sensible compensation scheme and moved on.

 

"Is there, perhaps, a lesson there for the Hillsborough campaigners?"

 

 

What sort of a moron is this man? People knew the truth all along, and it's now out for all to see.

 

The conspiracy was from that paper, SY Police, the FA and that bitch's govt.

[Earl Hafler]

aye the place I worked previously fire warden training showed it everytime - beyond gut wrenchingly horrific.

 

 

then you see the fans on the pitch bouncing about having a laugh in front of the cameras...little did they know what was really going on.

 

No but they could still see a raging fire, smoke billowing from the stands. It wasn't Runaround.

[Ombudsam]

This is shaping up to be horrific.

[Mooster]

Martin Fletcher was on the Jeremy Vine show on Thursday, and his account of what he went through that day was one of the most harrowing things I've ever heard.

[smithdown]

The account of the research this lad did sounds incredible enough. Can't imagine what it must have been like to find the fourth, fifth, sixth etc archive reports of each fire, with him knowing what his mum had said. The kid's a hero.

[Earl Hafler]

There's a programme on BT Sport in a couple of weeks. They trailered it today and showed a photo taken from inside the stands as the fire was starting - a policeman trying to ascertain how big the blaze was under the seats and with people stood watching the game, just looked surreal.