Should England Boycott WC2018 and WC2022?

[aka Dus]

It appears that we'll never see the Garcia report into corruption in the bidding process for 2018 and 2022 published but it seems that allegations/charges of significant corruption will come from it. We can also reasonably assume that the voting processes won't be rerun, unless some stupid chicanery comes up in the re-election of Blatter..

 

Notwithstanding many posters' desire to see international football disbanded, obliterated and stricken from the face of the earth anyway, would you have the FA announce it was withdrawing its team from the qualification process in protest at the awards?

 

I don't think "....and setting up their own World Cup" is a reasonable basis for making the decision. It would mean sitting out two world cups and agitating for reform of Fifa from the outside.

[Cobs]

I'd say there were better reasons for boycotting both than FIFA's corruption, not that I'd advocate it at this stage

 

I also think you've no chance of reforming FIFA from the outside

 

I reckon it's a matter of time before that Garcia document gets leaked and then depending on what's in it we'll see about re-runs and the like

 

 

 

[cymrococh]

I don't think a boycott would be effective unless it was as part of an organised 'coup d'etat' from a group of big countries.

 

There are so many corrupt vested interests that it would need something truly traumatic to change the way FIFA operates. I can't think of any governing body that has shifted to the required extent.

[sutty]

I don't think a boycott would be effective unless it was as part of an organised 'coup d'etat' from a group of big countries.

 

There are so many corrupt vested interests that it would need something truly traumatic to change the way FIFA operates. I can't think of any governing body that has shifted to the required extent.

 

A unilateral withdrawal from a competition isn't really a boycott.

 

Agree with you, in order to change it it'd need a good chunk of support. A european boycott would work.

[aka Dus]

I'd say there were better reasons for boycotting both than FIFA's corruption, not that I'd advocate it at this stage

 

I also think you've no chance of reforming FIFA from the outside

 

I reckon it's a matter of time before that Garcia document gets leaked and then depending on what's in it we'll see about re-runs and the like

 

 

 

 

Seems like only three people outside Garcia and his team are going to see it in full.

 

Defo no chance to reform Fifa unless the FA act as a lightning rod for other FAs to follow suit. Surely Platini would have made some kind of move by now if he had an ounce of motivation to do something on a Uefa level.

[Swan Red]

I don't think England will I do think fans should.

[aka Dus]

A unilateral withdrawal from a competition isn't really a boycott.

 

Agree with you, in order to change it it'd need a good chunk of support. A european boycott would work.

 

I thought of the idea of qualifying and then boycotting. It would have more impact because it would be more disruptive and demonstrate more of a sacrifice but would depend on them qualifying first. And be very cold war-ish, Was there any meaningful long term effect of the 1980 boycotts, for instance? I suspect pulling out at the get go before the qualifiers would be a more meaningful statement.

 

 

 

 

 

I don't think England will I do think fans should.

 

What does that mean though? Not watch on telly? Not go to qualifiers?

[Cobs]

Seems like only three people outside Garcia and his team are going to see it in full.

 

 

which is plenty for it to be leaked.

[pipnasty]

 

What does that mean though? Not watch on telly? Not go to qualifiers?

 

I do that anyway

 

[Swan Red]

What does that mean though? Not watch on telly? Not go to qualifiers?

 

Yeah and actively select against advertisers.

 

I get this is easy for me not really caring about international football but I don't see how else fans can influence the game.

[aka Dus]

Yeah and actively select against advertisers.

 

I get this is easy for me not really caring about international football but I don't see how else fans can influence the game.

 

Games being less regular and there not really being a season ticket hard core, as such, match boycotts are probably a lot less effective than sponsors.

 

I wonder what % of the budget used to finance team England comes from Premier League revenue and what % comes from sponsors?

[RP]

I wonder what % of the budget used to finance team England comes from Premier League revenue ...

 

 

 

Maybe I'm misunderstanding the question, but isn't the answer "0"?

Edited September 29, 2014 by RP

[aka Dus]

Maybe I'm misunderstanding the question, but isn't the answer "0"?

 

Doesn't the FA get a nice fat contribution from Premier League revenue?

[Cobs]

Doesn't the FA get a nice fat contribution from Premier League revenue?

 

PL gives money to the Football League clubs - don't think they give anything to the FA

 

the FA's money comes from England/TV/Wembley/FA Cup

 

 

 

[Swan Red]

Games being less regular and there not really being a season ticket hard core, as such, match boycotts are probably a lot less effective than sponsors.

 

It's going to be really tough getting any traction with FIFA as it is apparent that they don't give a f***, the only pressure they seem to consider are commercial ones and at some point the corruption in the organisation will have some impact on advertisers. If fans can help bring that to bear quicker though contacting sponsors advertisers local FA's and the like then FIFA may actually consider. The only thing they seem concerned about is their continued positions and the bottom line and it's only be threatening one of them that fans have any chance of influencing change.

 

it's a very big ask and not one I'm confident in but it seems if we care we should try.

 

It wouldn't mean a great deal for me to boycott the next two and given that I had my hypocrisy over Brazil pointed out to me I'm going to try and avoid doing the same again.

[aka Dus]

PL gives money to the Football League clubs - don't think they give anything to the FA

 

the FA's money comes from England/TV/Wembley/FA Cup

 

 

Really? Thought hey were a special shareholder and could collect dues as a way for the Premier League to be incorporated in to 'the football family'.

 

Wasn't it called the FA Premier League at the start?

 

Anyway, the answer to my question is clearly that their money does come from their sponsors in the main.

 

It's going to be really tough getting any traction with FIFA as it is apparent that they don't give a f***, the only pressure they seem to consider are commercial ones and at some point the corruption in the organisation will have some impact on advertisers. If fans can help bring that to bear quicker though contacting sponsors advertisers local FA's and the like then FIFA may actually consider. The only thing they seem concerned about is their continued positions and the bottom line and it's only be threatening one of them that fans have any chance of influencing change.

 

it's a very big ask and not one I'm confident in but it seems if we care we should try.

 

It wouldn't mean a great deal for me to boycott the next two and given that I had my hypocrisy over Brazil pointed out to me I'm going to try and avoid doing the same again.

 

It is a kind of hypocrisy for us all but haven't we crossed that line donkeys years ago? Every time we go to see Liverpool play we are on some level giving a de facto approval to the capitalisation of the league, no?

[Swan Red]

It is a kind of hypocrisy for us all but haven't we crossed that line donkeys years ago? Every time we go to see Liverpool play we are on some level giving a de facto approval to the capitalisation of the league, no?

 

Kind of but to not go is to have the club taken from us. It's a trade off, I think the FIFA question is slightly different because of the corruption and lack of transparency, like it may just be a matter of scale but FIFA is f***ing outrageous.

[aka Dus]

Kind of but to not go is to have the club taken from us. It's a trade off, I think the FIFA question is slightly different because of the corruption and lack of transparency, like it may just be a matter of scale but FIFA is f***ing outrageous.

 

I suspect the awarding of WCs was always at the upper end of the corrupto-scale, it's just we get to hear about it more now. The money being spent on new stadiums and motorways etc is impossible to rationalise but it's probably a fairly linear event from the amount of money we all pay to our versions of Sky Sports around the world, in some horrendous gargantuan mathematical equation describing the business of football.

 

 

 

[Swan Red]

I suspect you're right but I think corrupt decisions give us an opportunity to raise questions football going about it's normal commercial business doesn't.

 

It's all a part of the same industry and to an extent we're hypocritical in wanting the best players while criticising pricing and the changes in schedules and whatever that SKY brings but we can sell out a little and still require the game be clean.

[New York Red]

I voted to boycott both. Something has to give. It shouldn't just be England though. I needs to be a European boycott.

 

Or, have an alternate WC organized by the top 50 countries in the world. There's too much power in the hands of easily corruptible national committees.

[aka Dus]

There's no corruption in the national committees of the top 50 countries?

[johngibo YPC]

I voted to boycott both. Something has to give. It shouldn't just be England though. I needs to be a European boycott.

 

 

Boycott it yourself America

[Cobs]

Boycott it yourself America

 

no-one would care

[johngibo YPC]

no-one would care

 

I doubt anyone would care much if England did either

He could at least offer to join in

[Stevie H]

no-one would care

 

27m in america watched this year's world cup final. it's no superbowl but still not to be sniffed at.