What is the Champions League worth financially to LFC ?

[David Hodgson]

It supposedly earned Juve 65 million euros in prize money last season for reaching the quarter finals, and I keep hearing it's expected to double from 2015 onwards. http://www.mail.com/int/sports/soccer/2424112-champions-league-prize-money-to-rise-2015-18.html

 

Presumably clubs also earn from their gate money, and enhancements from contracts with sponsors.

 

What then are the ballpark figures for group stage participation next season, and then when the hike happens the year after ? It's got to be getting towards mega money now.

 

 

Currently the turnover gap between us and Man Utd is their £363m vs our £206m = £157m. If the whole CL package of turnover increases is worth c.£60m, then United's potential loss of that revenue , and our potential gain of it, would all but bridge that gap. An increase in stadium size would complete the job.

 

We already eclipse the likes of Arsenal and Chelsea for commercial rev, and a return to the CL would take us ahead of them in overall turnover. We'd also close on City whose turnover is artificially boosted by their dodgy deals.

[RP]

We could look to replicate City's shady deals, or we could try to ensure they are brought to account and come into line with FFP.

 

 

 

Which route do you think we should follow?

 

Which route do you think we will follow?

[Cam]

Some of Chelsea's deals involving Peter Kenyon's company on Jersey and third party ownership are even shadier.

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Some of Chelsea's deals involving Peter Kenyon's company on Jersey and third party ownership are even shadier.

 

Only some?

[Gunga Din]

with the increase in revenues this year, it would not be a good year to miss out. Could f*** spurs up long term, and even the mancs could struggle with the loss of revenue. As we've seen teh past few years, getting the best players when you arent in the best competition can be very difficult

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with the increase in revenues this year, it would not be a good year to miss out. Could f*** spurs up long term, and even the mancs could struggle with the loss of revenue. As we've seen teh past few years, getting the best players when you arent in the best competition can be very difficult

 

We don't seem to be able to get any players......it's not just the best ones we miss out on.

[RP]

We don't seem to be able to get any players......it's not just the best ones we miss out on.

 

 

Makes you wonder how on earth we manage to put a team out each week, particularly one containing some of the best players in the country/Europe.

[Cunny]

with the increase in revenues this year, it would not be a good year to miss out. Could f*** spurs up long term, and even the mancs could struggle with the loss of revenue. As we've seen teh past few years, getting the best players when you arent in the best competition can be very difficult

 

the new CL tv deal kicks in 2015/16 season doesn't it?

that's the season you really don't want to miss out on

[David Hodgson]

the new CL tv deal kicks in 2015/16 season doesn't it?

that's the season you really don't want to miss out on

 

Yep. Getting into it is one thing, but staying there is another. I really hope all concerned are embracing the reality that if we get into the CL , initially, it may cost us more than it yields, insomuch as we'll need to significantly increase the depth and quality if the squad.

 

We can't get to late August again and be lamenting bad breaks in the market. They have to factor in the potential premium implied in actually getting the job done. Take the Konoplyanka saga - for all the excusing of Ayre for having done all he could and meeting the clause, there was no sign that we were prepared to just bung Dnipro a late couple if mill more just to get the deal over the line. The valueometer may have begun to overheat, but LFC would today have another potentially top player.

[Sion]

I don't think any team can bank on CL qualification any more like Arsenal have in the past, so for that reason I don't think we'll go mad if we qualify. We're not going to be offering silly wages only to finish 5th next season.

[David Hodgson]

I don't think any team can bank on CL qualification any more like Arsenal have in the past, so for that reason I don't think we'll go mad if we qualify. We're not going to be offering silly wages only to finish 5th next season.

 

That's Ayre-level thinking.

[Molby]

I don't think any team can bank on CL qualification any more like Arsenal have in the past, so for that reason I don't think we'll go mad if we qualify. We're not going to be offering silly wages only to finish 5th next season.

 

 

I think the owners agree

 

 

 

which is what concerns me

[Mike]

If we qualify for the CL group stages we would be in with two very good teams. We would be in pot 3 based on our ranking - not great. Qualifying for the quarters would be some achievement first year back in.

[Lee W]

As long as we do qualify that's all that matters for now. Then it's over to the Transfer Committee to strut their stuff. One would hope they have already started the 'what if we do' planning by now, or at least soon.

[RP]

As long as we do qualify that's all that matters for now. Then it's over to the Transfer Committee to strut their stuff. One would hope they have already started the 'what if we do' planning by now, or at least soon.

 

 

I would hope/expect they would have started that process last summer.

 

No guarantees with our lot obviously, but I'd hope they've been on the case for 6 months or more.

[David Hodgson]

If we qualify for the CL group stages we would be in with two very good teams. We would be in pot 3 based on our ranking - not great. Qualifying for the quarters would be some achievement first year back in.

 

I'm not saying that's the benchmark. Juve got 65m euros for only getting to the quarters, and that's before you look at gate receipts or the massive participation increase due in the next 12 months.

 

 

As to the seeding - yes we'd be in pot 3 which ain't good but it isn't all doom . As things stand we could be paired with Porto, Benfica or Schalke as the pot one side (if we avoid Barca, Real, Atletico and Bayern). In pot two we could face Inter, Dortmund, Shakter, PSG, Zenit, Leverkusen or Marseille.

 

Getting one nightmare team is fine if they beat everyone else. Getting two v hard teams is the bad scenario. Based on the above, the odds of that (assuming v hard teams are the 3 Spanish sides, Bayern, Inter, Dortmund, and PSG) is about 25%.

 

 

Here's the position to date :

 

http://www.ecaeurope.com/tabbed-content/club-ranking/

[PhilM]

I don't think we need to worry about Inter. They're 11 points off a Champions League spot.

[Falconhoof]

We are good enough to win our three home games in the group against any of these sides. Bring on Madrid and PSG or whoever.

[honourablegeorge]

It supposedly earned Juve 65 million euros in prize money last season for reaching the quarter finals, and I keep hearing it's expected to double from 2015 onwards.

 

 

The ramifications of that double in revenue are huge. If we get in this year. we need to invest to stay in it. You're potentially earning £100M a year more than the club in 5th as a result. That closes the gap to United's revenue (assuming they miss out) in one season.

[Davvo]

Here's the position to date :

 

http://www.ecaeurope...t/club-ranking/

 

Getting way ahead of ourselves for a minute, but looking at that, we're going to need 2 very good seasons in Europe to get back into a position of being a pot 2 side, or make the semi's or final next year. Infact, if we didn't get out of the group stages next year, we'd quite likely slip back to pot 4 the following year, assuming we qualified of course. There's a couple of sides on that list could finish this season ahead of us too.

 

Shows another reason why we're missing out not being in the Europa this year, a decent run to the Quarter's or even last 16, would probably have got us into the top 16 of that list.

[Sir Tokyo Sexwale]

The Group Stage in the EC is worth more than winning the UEFA. Each victory earns you an additional 300k Euro on top of all of the rest of the stuff. So an average season in it - say only making the group stage & say winning 2, drawing 1 is worth wedge

 

AN AMOUNT of wedge no less

[Molby]

if we finally appoint a local-based heavyweight CEO, then expect the signings to come

 

 

 

if we don't, we have a puncher's chance of signing any player wanted by other clubs, no more

 

 

 

 

 

so here's hoping

[JonnyBrad]

If Spurs win the Europa league they qualify for the champions league right? Does that also mean that 4th place is lost ala if a team outside the top 4 wins the champions league?

 

Edit: oh apparently that's not until next season. Carry on.

Edited February 27, 2014 by JonnyBrad

[David Hodgson]

Getting way ahead of ourselves for a minute, but looking at that, we're going to need 2 very good seasons in Europe to get back into a position of being a pot 2 side, or make the semi's or final next year. Infact, if we didn't get out of the group stages next year, we'd quite likely slip back to pot 4 the following year, assuming we qualified of course. There's a couple of sides on that list could finish this season ahead of us too.

 

Shows another reason why we're missing out not being in the Europa this year, a decent run to the Quarter's or even last 16, would probably have got us into the top 16 of that list.

 

Ya know what, painful as it is to acknowledge, once we've qualified for the CL, it isn't about how well we do in it (in the first year), it's more about staying in it by assuring you remain a top 4 side. This is in terms of building the club up to be a competitive force via financial growth. Worrying about our seeding status can keep, we just need to be a side that can regularly qualify for the competition. Actually doing well in it would be something of a fantastic bonus.

 

The ramifications of that double in revenue are huge. If we get in this year. we need to invest to stay in it. You're potentially earning £100M a year more than the club in 5th as a result. That closes the gap to United's revenue (assuming they miss out) in one season.

 

Absolutely. Being in the CL for the next 2 years is a game changer. Especially if the Mancs miss out. I hope FSG are calculating just how much they need to consider speculating to accumulate here.

[Cobs]

Ya know what, painful as it is to acknowledge, once we've qualified for the CL, it isn't about how well we do in it (in the first year), it's more about staying in it by assuring you remain a top 4 side.

 

deffo

 

 

 

 

even with Moyes at the helm Utd are gonna spend mega over the summer and will be much stronger. As will Arsenal, City & Chelsea. Qualifying again* next year will be key

 

 

 

 

* not taking for granted qualification this year in case the Mocker Gods are watching