Football Management

[Leo No.8]

Was thinking about the way football managers are mostly ex professionals - many of them just not very good at managing with the same old cliched ideas and outlook on the game from when they played it.

 

Could there be a football management degree for future generations? I imagine there are loads of non football people who would do a better job than some of the old names that keep pitching up everywhere.

 

For example I would rather trust my team to say Knox harrington or yellow jumper off here than I would Paul Ince or someone like that. Shouldn't we be looking at dynamic graduates the way baseball or other sports do?

 

After all Mourinho was a translator, who happened to get a job around football. Under normal circumstances he never would have got near football management. Is there any chance that there could be this kind of change?

[Cobs]

just to clarify - you want managers to have a football qualification but would rather see some bod off a football forum manage Liverpool than an ex-player who's got their coaching badges?

[johngibo YPC]

Mourinho was a bit more than a translator that is just a dig (albeit an amusing one)

But anyway, I was with you until you said Knox Harrington

[Ostrich Man]

having Aids has sent leo mental.

[Rimbeux]

Was thinking about the way football managers are mostly ex professionals - many of them just not very good at managing with the same old cliched ideas and outlook on the game from when they played it.

 

Could there be a football management degree for future generations? I imagine there are loads of non football people who would do a better job than some of the old names that keep pitching up everywhere.

 

For example I would rather trust my team to say Knox harrington or yellow jumper off here than I would Paul Ince or someone like that. Shouldn't we be looking at dynamic graduates the way baseball or other sports do?

 

After all Mourinho was a translator, who happened to get a job around football. Under normal circumstances he never would have got near football management. Is there any chance that there could be this kind of change?

 

It's an interesting idea, but what would you teach and how. There are already coaching courses, but the kicker is in leadership and management of people and decision making right? And it would be entirely different doing that for a trading desk, a ward, a film set or a football club. Wouldn't it best be learnt working in that environment and working your way up?

[johngibo YPC]

It's an interesting idea, but what would you teach and how. There are already coaching courses, but the kicker is in leadership and management of people and decision making right? And it would be entirely different doing that for a trading desk, a ward, a film set or a football club. Wouldn't it best be learnt working in that environment and working your way up?

 

It would yes. I think we just need a culture in this country to give someone a go who wasn't a top player, rather than a particular course

But anyway the current England manager didn't do anything playing

[Cobs]

It would yes. I think we just need a culture in this country to give someone a go who wasn't a top player, rather than a particular course

But anyway the current England manager didn't do anything playing

 

 

thre are lots of managers in this country given a go who weren't top players - Mancini, Laudrup are the only 2 in the premier league and i guess you could make a case for O'Neill/Lambert but you're hard pushed after that

 

 

but if you are a top player you usually get a better gig to start off with - maybe you've earned it - fast track?

[Rimbeux]

It would yes. I think we just need a culture in this country to give someone a go who wasn't a top player, rather than a particular course

But anyway the current England manager didn't do anything playing

I think that's right, but that goes to another thing around who gets the jobs, there's no formal interview process and owners go for the names, maybe to appease the fans?

[matty]

I'd like Knox as manager just to make the press conferences more interesting.

 

Not sure the players would grasp his instructions though. Not sure at all.

[Cobs]

I'd like Knox as manager just to make the press conferences more interesting.

 

Not sure the players would grasp his instructions though. Not sure at all.

 

 

they'd have to get Carra in as translator

[Falconhoof]

A small club should make every decision interactive. Don't have a manager, just use an app where everyone votes with their phone.

[Stevie H]

thre are lots of managers in this country given a go who weren't top players - Mancini, Laudrup are the only 2 in the premier league and i guess you could make a case for O'Neill/Lambert but you're hard pushed after that

 

but if you are a top player you usually get a better gig to start off with - maybe you've earned it - fast track?

pochettino was. and allardicio.

[Murphman]

The best managers have things in common. They can spot a player, know where to play him in the system and know when to get rid. You don't need to be a top coach nor an ex pro if you have those attributes and £150m.

[Rich Gobey]

Keep footballers out of football!

[Ant]

The problem with that is that it means nothing till you actually manage a side, or get involved with managing a team and players at a higher level.

 

Lets say for example LJMU did a Footballing Management degree, it was UEFA Licenses and FA Licenses etc. You graduate then what? Even if you intensely study the game it means f*** all. Even if you go to every single football game, it means f*** all.

 

No one here, and I mean no one could do a better job in football than Paul Ince or even Bryan Robson, because unless one of us is a former international player with experience of dealing with world class players as a player or indeed manager then we don't stand a chance compared to those two. Now I don't for one second think Paul Ince or Bryan Robson make good footballing managers, but the notion that anyone on here could do a better job than them is ridiculous. Football Manager has got a lot to answer for.

 

Mourinho, Boas and Rodgers are classic examples of people really who got involved in the game from the get go, they shadowed, they listened and they learned from the likes of Sir Bobby Robson. The only way we could build something remotely resembling something I think Leo is hinting at is if we from the age of 16 and above get kids into football teams, get them learning tactics, learning man management, getting experience.Get them attending every single football game at every single level at their club and just taking notes, sitting in on team talks. Sitting in on tactical discussions.

 

Football is a simple game complicated by idiots, and the last thing we need is people thinking they are the next Arrigo Sacchi because they follow a team home and away or just love their football.

 

None of us would have a clue where to start if thrown in to Rodgers shoes right now, we'd all lose the first game and probably be relying on the pure ability of the footballer to get us out the s***.

 

I guess to sum up, if you are to get a football management graduate and see how he fares compared to the likes of Paul Ince. I think Paul Ince would 9/10 do a better job.

[Murphman]

Ron Noades sacked his manager and got Brentford promoted.

Edited February 20, 2013 by Murphman

[Knox_Harrington]

For example I would rather trust my team to say Knox harrington or yellow jumper off here than I would Paul Ince or someone like that. Shouldn't we be looking at dynamic graduates the way baseball or other sports do?

There are very few circumstances where I'd say this, but I'd go with Paul Ince over me.

[johngibo YPC]

 

Football is a simple game complicated by idiots,

 

Doesn't that contradict everything else in your post?

[Knox_Harrington]

Doesn't that contradict everything else in your post?

Completely and utterly.

 

I'd also argue that the sort of shadowing done by Mourinho, Villas Boas et al should also be done by successful ex-players. Knowing the game through their job on one side doesn't mean knowing it on the other.

[Raj]

Doesn't that contradict everything else in your post?

 

Of course it does. Standard

[Cobs]

Completely and utterly.

 

I'd also argue that the sort of shadowing done by Mourinho, Villas Boas et al should also be done by successful ex-players. Knowing the game through their job on one side doesn't mean knowing it on the other.

Would certainly help them - though maybe not if you're Bryan Robson

[JGL]

What I worry about with some managers is the lack of some sort of business sense. Especially in England where the manager often has a large input over transfers. Are there any business aspects involved in coaching courses for example?

[Cobs]

that's what a Chairman and Board of Directors are there for

[DecidedByPoll]

Doesn't that contradict everything else in your post?

It's a shame as the rest of the post was good by his standards.

 

The issue for me is about respect as much as football nous. Great managers are intensely well respected and engender great loyalty. Part of that respect is simply how you put yourself across, your demeanour and your attitude.

 

I realise the following question is almost a Molby alert, so aside from him, who's genuinely got the swagger to command respect from 30 millionaires who don't know who you are?

[Gunga Din]

loads of good and great managers never kicked a ball in a professional league.

 

Arrigo Saachi was a f***ing cobbler for f***s sake

 

i think you will see a time come when the majority of managers will be people like Villas Boas, Mourinho etc, guys who never had a playing career