HANDBALL!

[RP]

Genuinely interested to know whether we (admittedly biased on occassion) think that Luis deliberately handled the ball or not

[Swan Red]

If we're taking an instinctive movement towards the ball as being deliberate then yeah.

[RP]

Blimey - looks like Andre Marriner, Michael Mullarkey, Scott Ledger & Michael Jones have all got their votes in early

[blago]

Impossible to tell in real time as it happened so fast. I thought his hand moved towards the ball so on that basis have voted yes. Honestly though, I don't care.

[JonShar]

I'm with Swan Red, it was instinct.

 

Unless you talk to DH, then it was deliberate, and not just deliberate but deliberate because Luis was frustrated.

[Cobs]

I'm with Swan Red, it was instinct.

 

Unless you talk to DH, then it was deliberate, and not just deliberate but deliberate because Luis was frustrated.

 

 

not just deliberate - as deliberate as it gets !

[surf]

based on 9 seconds it all happened so fast and i'd say not deliberate

based on the slow at 18 seconds i'd say deliberate

 

i think overall i'm on 60% deliberate and 40% not deliberate

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gE7fICIiJTo

[Cobs]

can't for the life of me see how you can call that deliberate watching it at normal speed

[Jesus Quintanas Balls]

It's clear he is trying to get his hand out of the way, but can't react quick enough... Then gets annoyed with himself that he's lost the chance to score, so lashes it in and doesn't celebrate (initially).

[Shirohana]

It's clear he is trying to get his hand out of the way, but can't react quick enough... Then gets annoyed with himself that he's lost the chance to score, so lashes it in and doesn't celebrate (initially).

 

Is what happened.

[Stanley Leisure]

It's clear he is trying to get his hand out of the way, but can't react quick enough... Then gets annoyed with himself that he's lost the chance to score, so lashes it in and doesn't celebrate (initially).

 

Yep.

[Gunga Din]

i think he did, but i think its such an instictive reaction anyone would have done it. But in saying that, i honestly dont care. You get legitimate goals chalked off wrongly, you get goals that shouldnt have stood.

 

I'd rather it was disallowed and his last minute one against Everton allowed instead

[Swipe]

It's clear he is trying to get his hand out of the way, but can't react quick enough... Then gets annoyed with himself that he's lost the chance to score, so lashes it in and doesn't celebrate (initially).

 

Agree.

[Swan Red]

It's clear he is trying to get his hand out of the way, but can't react quick enough... Then gets annoyed with himself that he's lost the chance to score, so lashes it in and doesn't celebrate (initially).

 

I'm with you on the second sentence but think it's because he's expecting the whistle.

 

I don't think he's time to think about getting out the way and think that he's way more likely to instinctively move towards it than away from it.

[Tones]

Realllyyy hard to say. If he instinctively did it, then thats not really deliberate as its not something you think about doing. Therefore no pen. But then its hard to say whether or not it was just instinct.

[Cobs]

Realllyyy hard to say. If he instinctively did it, then thats not really deliberate as its not something you think about doing. Therefore no pen. But then its hard to say whether or not it was just instinct.

 

 

no pen?

[JonShar]

Realllyyy hard to say. If he instinctively did it, then thats not really deliberate as its not something you think about doing. Therefore no pen. But then its hard to say whether or not it was just instinct.

 

Pen?

[Earl Hafler]

It's clear he is trying to get his hand out of the way, but can't react quick enough... Then gets annoyed with himself that he's lost the chance to score, so lashes it in and doesn't celebrate (initially).

 

I think that he's clenched his fingers as a result of trying to get them out of the way, not punching the ball. Not sure about what followed.

[Tones]

Sorry.Oops. No foul i meant.

[Mike]

I was stood directly behind the goal. I didn't celebrate it as I just presumed it was going to be disallowed.

 

Suarez didn't intentionally handle with the intention of scoring a goal by deception. We are talking 10ths of a second.

[smithdown]

Remember that one Monaco scored against us? That was deliberate, in comparison like.

[kop205]

Remember that one Monaco scored against us? That was deliberate, in comparison like.

 

Was it Saviola?

[RP]

can't for the life of me see how you can call that deliberate watching it at normal speed

 

Whereas I can't for the life of me see how you can call it anything other than deliberate ... watching it at any speed.

[Cobs]

Whereas I can't for the life of me see how you can call it anything other than deliberate ... watching it at any speed.

 

 

because of the speed it happens at, the proximity of the keeper to Suarez and his reaction as the ball hits his arm

 

you?

[RP]

He is one of the best footballers in the world - he has very quick reflexes.

 

As the ball rebounded he moved his arm towards it to control/guide it or whatever - call it instinctive movement, call it what you like but it it was a deliberate movement towards the ball. His lashing of the ball into the net was likely brone of the frustration that the offence was so obvious that he felt it was bound to be disallowed.

 

 

It's all about opinions, eh??