Ched Evans

[muleskinner]

5 years for rape.

[Sir Tokyo Sexwale]

I only read a little about that case but it was weird, she said she was too drunk to consent, others in the hotel said she didn't appear to be drunk.

 

Not trying to absolve him at all btw

 

f***ing footballers are stupid

[Bigal]

I only read a little about that case but it was weird, she said she was too drunk to consent, others in the hotel said she didn't appear to be drunk.

 

Not trying to absolve him at all btw

 

f***ing footballers are stupid

 

Macca, there are loads of witnesses that she couldnt stand up!

 

apparently, Evans's testimony was torn to pieces, he escaped through the fire escape (not a euphemism)

[smithdown]

So, the other lad is not guilty?

[Bigal]

So, the other lad is not guilty?

 

Yeah he was not guilty.

[smithdown]

Yeah he was not guilty.

 

 

Bit weird that innit?

[Ethan]

Silly boy - He should have known better - he's now a sex offender, career ruined and his liberty taken away from him.

[Bigal]

Bit weird that innit?

 

yeah, it is a bit.

[smithdown]

yeah, it is a bit.

 

 

not even as if the other lad is going back up on another lesser charge, both seem to admit they had sex with her...so if she was bevvied...

 

I dunno like, haven't followed any of this but the verdicts have me confused

[Sir Tokyo Sexwale]

Silly boy - He should have known better - he's now a sex offender, career ruined and his liberty taken away from him.

don't really think he was considering that at the time

 

not even as if the other lad is going back up on another lesser charge, both seem to admit they had sex with her...so if she was bevvied...

 

I dunno like, haven't followed any of this but the verdicts have me confused

yeah, both admit to having sex with her, she can't remember any of it but one's guilty & the other's not?

 

 

The Sheffield United centre forward threw the headphones he was using to follow the trial on the floor and then looked shocked.

 

Why was he using headphones? I presume he was present in court?

[Bigal]

don't really think he was considering that at the time

 

 

yeah, both admit to having sex with her, she can't remember any of it but one's guilty & the other's not?

 

 

 

 

Why was he using headphones? I presume he was present in court?

 

It seems strange, I reckon there will be an appeal.

 

Headphones? what the f***?

 

I read that McDonald was found not guilty first, and the courtroom erupted, I wonder if Ched thought "I got away with this one"

Edited April 20, 2012 by Bigal

[Cobs]

wasn't aware of this case even happeneing but having now read newspaper excerpts of the trial it seems odd that one has been acquitted and the other convicted

 

both admitted having sex with her

 

she didn't say 'no' or at least she can't remember so i don't see how she was too intoxicated to be able to consent to one and not the other.

 

 

perhaps more details will emerge...

[smithdown]

Surely then McDonald (and I guess the others at the window) were witnesses to a rape and did nothing?

 

Just realised McDonald's da use to play for Almithak, I think, and he apparently once got booked for making the sign of the cross as he came on as a sub for Partick Thistle.

 

That's all I've got.

[Sir Tokyo Sexwale]

It seems strange, I reckon there will be an appeal.

 

Headphones? what the f***?

 

I read that McDonald was found not guilty first, and the courtroom erupted, I wonder if Ched thought "I got away with this one"

 

 

Court proceedings were disrupted after McDonald was acquitted, prompting a brief adjournment.

 

The court heard that both men admitted they had sex with the woman, who cannot be named for legal reasons, but the prosecution said she was too drunk to consent to sexual intercourse.

 

In her evidence to police, the woman said she has no memory of the incident and believes her drink may have been spiked.

 

The jury first returned a not-guilty verdict on McDonald after four hours and 52 minutes of deliberations.

 

McDonald, of Marys Gate, Crewe, Cheshire, looked elated as the verdict was read out. His family and friends in the public gallery reacted by shouting "Yes, yes". One man left the courtroom and could be heard screaming.

 

Judge Merfyn Hughes QC then rose and everyone in the public gallery was ordered to leave the court.

 

McDonald remained in the dock with Evans, 23, of Ashtree Gardens, Millhouse Green, Penistone, South Yorkshire, who held his head in his hands and cried hysterically.

 

McDonald hugged Evans and the two footballers, who first met when they were both at the Manchester City youth academy, banged heads together.

 

When the judge returned to the court, the jury foreman gave the guilty verdict against Evans.

 

The Sheffield United centre forward threw the headphones he was using to follow the trial on the floor and then looked shocked.

 

Judge Hughes told McDonald he was free to leave the dock and after the footballer exited the court, shouts of "No, no" could be heard.

 

In a statement released via Sheffield United's website, Evans's lawyers said: "Ched Evans is shocked and extremely disappointed with the decision reached today by the jury at Caernarfon Crown Court to convict him of the charge brought against him.

 

"Mr Evans firmly maintains his innocence in this matter and is being advised regarding an appeal of the decision."

 

wasn't aware of this case even happeneing but having now read newspaper excerpts of the trial it seems odd that one has been acquitted and the other convicted

 

both admitted having sex with her

 

she didn't say 'no' or at least she can't remember so i don't see how she was too intoxicated to be able to consent to one and not the other.

 

 

perhaps more details will emerge...

well yeah, here's how I understand it:

 

- she was intoxicated (suggests she may have been spiked)

- can't remember it

- both admit to having sex with her (what about their f***ing mates trying to record on their phones, c****)

- accused both of rape, so can't have consented to one & not the other

- one is acquitted. But he admitted to it, so it surely can't be lack of evidence?

[Cobs]

Surely then McDonald (and I guess the others at the window) were witnesses to a rape and did nothing?

 

Just realised McDonald's da use to play for Almithak, I think, and he apparently once got booked for making the sign of the cross as he came on as a sub for Partick Thistle.

 

That's all I've got.

 

 

well, those at the window - in the absence of a struggle (which supposedly there wasn't) are just going to be witnessing sex - they've no knowledge of how drunk she was. - but McDonald, yeah.

 

For that matter the receptionist 'knew' the woman was drunk - is he supposed to act? say 'whats going on 'ere then?

 

tricky one

Edited April 20, 2012 by Cobs

[Sir Tokyo Sexwale]

yeah it's a tough one - without wanting to go into 'degrees' of rape, I think they have that in the US, but rape is rape surely?

[Hassony]

Maybe Evans was the one who spiked the drink and mcdonald wasn't aware that her drink was spiked

[Kite]

The reporting of this story is definitely weird. Was wondering was I missing something myself, can't follow the verdicts on this one at all.

[Spion kop]

If evans was first to have sex with her, maybe Mcdonald was under the impression she had consented?

[Cobs]

Maybe Evans was the one who spiked the drink and mcdonald wasn't aware that her drink was spiked

 

 

doesnt appear they were drinking with her

 

If evans was first to have sex with her, maybe Mcdonald was under the impression she had consented?

 

it was the other way around

[StevieC]

yeah it's a tough one - without wanting to go into 'degrees' of rape, I think they have that in the US, but rape is rape surely?

 

Think there are certainly degrees of rape. It doesn't diminish the seriousness of the offence but a pre-meditated attack (perhaps serial attacks) has to be considered worse than a drunken mistake.

 

There's murder 1, murder 2 ect - similar classifications for rape seem logical.

[Sir Tokyo Sexwale]

I sort of agree, but I'm sure I remember reading something about this & people were arguing that rape is rape and trying to have different classifications is a slippery slope and diminishes the seriousness of it.

 

But there is a difference in this case and of violently mugging & raping a woman in a park, say - although maybe it's in the sentencing where they define that?

 

One thing I don't get is why 2 mates would have sex with the same woman on the same night...but that's getting away from the whole point

[Bigal]

Been reading more on this, as I understand it, McDonald is outside a takeaway, she staggers into him, CCTV backs this up.

 

Takeaway owner confirms she's all over the place too.

 

McDonald says 'come back to mine' she agrees, he texts evans saying 'I've got a bird'

 

They go back to the hotel, receptionist confirm she is plastered, they go to the room.

 

2 lads, one of which is evans's brother start watching through the window and film it.

 

In the meantime Evans lies to the receptionist to get a room key, goes in the room, she's shagging his mate, he asks 'to get involved' they say she agrees, but we don't know if she does.

 

Evans does his business and sneaks out the hotel via the fire escape.

 

It's not great for Evans at all

[schmuckdonald]

Makes me swell with pride for my home.

[Stevie H]

twitter is full of some truly lovely people commenting on this case.

 

@banterwatch is worth a read.