The B team thing

[cymrococh]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012/jan/19/villas-boas-premier-league-b-championship

 

Not sure how I feel about this. From a selfish point of view it appeals, but the logistics of having players switiching betwen the two sides doesn't feel right to me, and there's massive issues around cup competitions and the re-organisation of the league.

 

I think if it ever happened, they would have to start out in League 2.

Edited January 20, 2012 by that pic

[johngibo YPC]

I'm with you, I want it to happen for Liverpool's benefit, but I can see why lower league clubs would kick off

Lending the B team Suarez for a last day must win game would be a laugh though

[Epic Swindle]

Seems to be a set up that favours the big clubs, we've already got enough of that.

[johngibo YPC]

Seems to be a set up that favours the big clubs, we've already got enough of that.

 

But if it also helps produce talent? (which I think it would)

[Kvarme Ate My Food]

It might improve attendances in the Championship too.

 

I don't think you could move players between teams whenever you felt like though. You'd have to limit it to during transfer windows.

[Epic Swindle]

For who? The big clubs certainly. Think I prefered it when we plundered the lowers leagues which allowed those clubs to survive and continue producing talent. This just seems like another short cut for the benefit of clubs with more money and players than sense.

 

Actually, there's no reason why we couldn't still do that under this system, Shelvey is a good example, but still doesn't sit right with me.

[CarraLegend]

It needs to happen, if it annoys all the nothing clubs in the lower leagues then all the better.

[surf]

It might improve attendances in the Championship too.

 

I don't think you could move players between teams whenever you felt like though. You'd have to limit it to during transfer windows.

 

AVB seems to want otherwise:

 

 

If it's a feeder club, I couldn't call a player up to my first team until the transfer window opens

If your B team plays in the Championship, and are fourth or sixth and threatening, playing good football, you'd call players up if you had suffered injuries. There is immediate identification of the process you're trying implement in your first team and B team and it would be an ease to call them up. And it could be a great benefit because you don't have to work with a 26-man squad but a 19-man squad and just recall the best young guys with constant activity. If Ryan [bertrand] and Josh [McEachran] could make the jump from Championship to Premiership every week, their involvement would be much better."

[Kvarme Ate My Food]

AVB seems to want otherwise:

 

Yeah, cheers surf, I saw that. I just disagree with him.

[johngibo YPC]

Yeah, cheers surf, I saw that. I just disagree with him.

 

I think in Spain at the moment you can swap players freely

I'm sure I read about B teams being very strong when needing points to stay up

[Kvarme Ate My Food]

I think in Spain at the moment you can swap players freely

I'm sure I read about B teams being very strong when needing points to stay up

 

That would be s***.

[Gunga Din]

i'm against the idea. it would kill the aspirations of a lot of clubs. I think we should be going the other way, sharing money down the football pyramid more, rather than trying to create a closed shop. if the top half a dozen premier league tems stick B sides in the football league, then thats potentially 6 clubs going to the wall at their expense.

[yellow jumper]

Spain and Germany are producing talent in a way we never have, not just down to B teams, but I think it can play a significant role in helping 17-21 year olds get meaningful football at a critical period of their development.

 

I think we cling to the 92 professional clubs thing, but in terms of developing talent it would probably be better to allow the big clubs with their resource to have more of a hand in helping lads develop the right habits at that more intermediate level.

 

Rafa and Wenger were always hot on this.

Edited January 20, 2012 by yellow jumper

[muleskinner]

The lower league clubs may struggle to survive a lot of the time but the majority of Premier League clubs are loss making organisations, they shouldnt be elbowed out fo the way to improve the aspirations of Premier League clubs.

[yellow jumper]

you've still had clubs like alaves and villarreal in spain climbing through the leagues by the way. not sure it kills anything.

 

there's plenty of clubs going to the wall in this country as it is. maybe it'd help as much as it would hinder.

[cymrococh]

I think in this country feeder clubs are probably a better idea, but this again raises questions about cup competitions and fans contentment.

 

Say Darlington was bought by Newcastle United, how are the Darlington fans going to feel about that?

 

What happens about promotion/relegation for the Spanish teams?

 

I don't really understand why we can't have reserve leagues that play every week, get televised and have proper trophies and stuff. That should raise the level.

[muleskinner]

you've still had clubs like alaves and villarreal in spain climbing through the leagues by the way. not sure it kills anything.

 

there's plenty of clubs going to the wall in this country as it is. maybe it'd help as much as it would hinder.

plenty going about thngs the right way too (Crawley not counted here) and they deserve the chance at whatever success they can achieve. I'm not against something happening if a way could be found to implement it fairly but it would be unfair on those supporters and communities if they get pushed aside at the expense of strengthening the Premier Leage clubs.

[cymrococh]

What's the issue with Crawley?

 

Surely it's not just as simple as 'they've spent money'?

[johngibo YPC]

What's the issue with Crawley?

 

Surely it's not just as simple as 'they've spent money'?

 

Didn't there manager or chairman or both get done for something dodgy with money?

[Crazy Horse]

I like this idea because we could then buy Everton to serve as our feeder team.

[Eskimo]

plenty going about thngs the right way too (Crawley not counted here) and they deserve the chance at whatever success they can achieve. I'm not against something happening if a way could be found to implement it fairly but it would be unfair on those supporters and communities if they get pushed aside at the expense of strengthening the Premier Leage clubs.

 

Personally I think the league is too big and TBH I don't really care much for the lower league sides although having said that I have to agree with the last bit.

 

For me the loan system doesn't work as it should. Far too often youngster get sent out to Championship sides only to find themselves warming the bench and or getting very little game time which kinda defeats the point. They would probably get more game time in the cloggers leagues but I can't see how that would benefit them or us.

 

With regards to a national reserve league would that not also have a negative impact on lower leagues, especially if revenues are diverted to fund it?

Edited January 20, 2012 by Eskimo

[Mooster]

Didn't there manager or chairman or both get done for something dodgy with money?

 

 

Their manager's Steve Evans, who got a lengthy ban for financial dodgy behaviour when at Boston a few years back. Also there have been questions asked about who exactly has been pumping the cash into Crawley.

[schmuckdonald]

Morally I'm against this idea. However, something does have to be done. The reserves are a joke. Surely it'd be more beneficial to encourage the top teams and lower teams to set up better links Geographically? Set up training complexes so the smaller sides get to use a better standard of equipment/training and our young lads get a decent game.

[Flasher]

I think what this country needs is smaller squads, like we used to have, and a transfer 'window' all year round, like we used to have. Big clubs can buy to improve when they want to / need it, small clubs don't have to worry so much about going out of business, as they can trade their best players more easily when they need to.

 

The smaller clubs can then do what they've always done, which is develop young players in good competitive football, rather than seeing them rot in the academies and reserve teams of the bigger clubs.

 

This is where I disagree with Carralegend above. I think the 90 odd professional clubs is what makes the game great for football fans up and down the country, and we need to protect it.

[Nottsgriff]

I used to be in favour of this but have been persuaded by the arguments about the damage it would do to lower league football. I now think the best solution all round would be to bring back the Central League and the Combination. The problem is that reserve team footy is rubbish and they only play around 22 games a season, so why not bring back proper reserve footy where they play a full season, like we used to have? IIRC it was scrapped due to concerns that youngsters were playing too much football, but now we have the opposite problem of players not having enough competitive games, and the loan system is just as disruptive to lower league footy IMO.