Wigan away

[Molby]

can't really imagine it without Luis

 

also, when I typed 'with' it added some predictive phrase 'with my mum' which is strange

 

anyway if we don't have Luis and go 442 I'd want Kuyt and Carroll

 

or just Kuyt and the usual set up behind him

 

 

may as well split the CBs and have Hendo prompting too, in our quest to become Barcelona, with the FBs right up in midfield when we start attacks

 

 

and, I have 2 spares

[Murphman]

can't really imagine it without Luis

 

also, when I typed 'with' it added some predictive phrase 'with my mum' which is strange

 

anyway if we don't have Luis and go 442 I'd want Kuyt and Carroll

 

or just Kuyt and the usual set up behind him

 

 

may as well split the CBs and have Hendo prompting too, in our quest to become Barcelona, with the FBs right up in midfield when we start attacks

 

 

and, I have 2 spares

 

 

Kuyt and Carrol may be a bit static, I'd go with Carrol leading the line and Bellamy playing off him in a freer role. Shelve deserves a start, thought he was great yesterday, really done him good that spell at Blackpool

[honourablegeorge]

Struggling to keep any faith in Carroll, tbh.

 

He did have a good start to a game when we played 4-3-3 with Suarez and Bellamy either side of him (Fulham) but after forty minutes or may be less he wasn't arsed.

[David Hodgson]

can't really imagine it without Luis

 

also, when I typed 'with' it added some predictive phrase 'with my mum' which is strange

 

anyway if we don't have Luis and go 442 I'd want Kuyt and Carroll

 

or just Kuyt and the usual set up behind him

 

 

may as well split the CBs and have Hendo prompting too, in our quest to become Barcelona, with the FBs right up in midfield when we start attacks

 

 

and, I have 2 spares

 

I'd go with something a bit akin to Chelsea away in the league cup.

 

 

-----------------Shelvey-----Henderson------Adam

 

-----------------Kuyt----------------------------Maxi

 

-------------------------------Carroll

[Murphman]

I'd go with something a bit akin to Chelsea away in the league cup.

 

 

-----------------Shelvey-----Henderson------Adam

 

-----------------Kuyt----------------------------Maxi

 

-------------------------------Carroll

 

 

Bellers for Kuyt though.

[Molby]

Kuyt and Carrol may be a bit static, I'd go with Carrol leading the line and Bellamy playing off him in a freer role. Shelve deserves a start, thought he was great yesterday, really done him good that spell at Blackpool

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the rationale for Kuyt in a 442 is that he's our only other orthodox forward - and static he aint and would also do a lot of work and create space for Carroll, thus allowing Carroll to concentrate on scoring thumping headers instead

 

the idea of playing Carroll on his own up front doesn't appeal to me at all unless his movement and hold up play improves 300% between now and then......otherwise the other lads won't get anything from him and then we'll be caught between two stools

 

 

the idea that he would 'make the ball stick' in a game against Wigan, yes Wigan is becoming more and more unpalatable now I see that Kenny is firmly on track to make us a fluid outfit

 

if you think of the evolution of players that can make the ball stick/run the channels and bring others in

 

Heskey

Crouch

Torres

 

 

 

Carroll - we'd be going backwards

 

I'd go with something a bit akin to Chelsea away in the league cup.

 

 

-----------------Shelvey-----Henderson------Adam

 

-----------------Kuyt----------------------------Maxi

 

-------------------------------Carroll

 

well it's nostalgic I guess

[Gunga Din]

I'd go with something a bit akin to Chelsea away in the league cup.

 

 

-----------------Shelvey-----Henderson------Adam

 

-----------------Kuyt----------------------------Maxi

 

-------------------------------Carroll

 

 

think its too slow up top. Chelsea were always going to come out and attack, which will leave space. Wigan wont, they'd be made up with a point. If Suarez doesnt play (i think he will, no way would Kenny have subbed him yesterday if he thought for a second he would get a ban) then its got to be Bellamy starting ahead of maxi. I would start the same as yesterday providing everyone is fit. no need to change just for the sake of changing

Edited December 19, 2011 by Gunga Din

[Murphman]

[the rationale for Kuyt in a 442 is that he's our only other orthodox forward - and static he aint and would also do a lot of work and create space for Carroll, thus allowing Carroll to concentrate on scoring thumping headers instead

 

 

 

For static read too slow. My bad.

[Molby]

think its too slow up top. Chelsea were always going to come out and attack, which will leave space. Wigan wont, they'd be made up with a point. If Suarez doesnt play (i think he will, no way would Kenny have subbed him yesterday if he thought for a second he would get a ban) then its got to be Bellamy starting ahead of maxi. I would start the same as yesterday providing everyone is fit. no need to change just for the sake of changing

 

so would I, assuming we can manage the current starters through the upcoming period of games

 

it looks like a pacey striker has to be the next buy

 

nothing wrong with Maxi and Kuyt in terms of know-how but it just leaves us a bit short of pace

[Epic Swindle]

Not sure about this chopping and changing the match thread malarkey.

 

Bound to be 1-1 anyway, it's Wigan away.

[Molby]

Not sure about this chopping and changing the match thread malarkey.

 

Bound to be 1-1 anyway, it's Wigan away.

 

if we play our cards right, I'm seeing 1-6

 

 

key man: Shelvey (same again please lad - this time you'll get the ball)

[Dan]

Their pitch is a pudding

[Joppo]

Bellers for Kuyt though.

 

After he played most of the game against Villa I reckon he´ll probably start on the bench. Whats his fitness like nowadays? Maybe Kuyt up top with Maxi and Downing off of him.

[David Hodgson]

Bellers for Kuyt though.

 

Defo, but I think that Kenny (and the medical team) may have a policy about Bellamy not playing back to back games, so close together. I could be wrong, but I can't see Bellamy starting at Wigan.

 

think its too slow up top. Chelsea were always going to come out and attack, which will leave space. Wigan wont, they'd be made up with a point. If Suarez doesnt play (i think he will, no way would Kenny have subbed him yesterday if he thought for a second he would get a ban) then its got to be Bellamy starting ahead of maxi. I would start the same as yesterday providing everyone is fit. no need to change just for the sake of changing

 

I get that, but I think the Bellamy fitness situation will force Kenny to play a different hand.

[Sir Tokyo Sexwale]

Hang on - is Molby allowed to start match threads? What's his record so far this season?

[Gunga Din]

Defo, but I think that Kenny (and the medical team) may have a policy about Bellamy not playing back to back games, so close together. I could be wrong, but I can't see Bellamy starting at Wigan.

 

 

 

I get that, but I think the Bellamy fitness situation will force Kenny to play a different hand.

 

 

stick him on, bring him off when he is tired. Was talking to someone yesterday at the game re Carroll, and he said somthing that got me thinking. how many times do you see a winger cross a ball and a centre forward head it in? deadballs aside, very few headers are scored, when wingers send balls in usually the goal is scored with the feet. the big centre foward scoring laods of headers is something that belongs to a bygone age. i think we need to be getting forwards in there with pace ang guile and movement, rather than a big lump like Carroll. back to the transfer market in January

[Epic Swindle]

What is it about Wigan away? One of those places where time stands still.

Edited December 19, 2011 by Epic Swindle

[Molby]

stick him on, bring him off when he is tired. Was talking to someone yesterday at the game re Carroll, and he said somthing that got me thinking. how many times do you see a winger cross a ball and a centre forward head it in? deadballs aside, very few headers are scored, when wingers send balls in usually the goal is scored with the feet. the big centre foward scoring laods of headers is something that belongs to a bygone age. i think we need to be getting forwards in there with pace ang guile and movement, rather than a big lump like Carroll. back to the transfer market in January

 

was thinking exactly the same

 

when we signed him I kinda thought he'd need to end up being on Shearer's level to justify it...the signing, not the money - the money's gone

 

what's happened since, which is a credit to all concerned, is that we're nicely settling in to a fluid pattern, quicker than anticipated maybe? and that's not really compatible with Carroll, rather than a case of just him being s***

 

 

but take the Bellamy situation as an example - we simply need more players so we can adapt to circumstances without completely changing our style

 

Hang on - is Molby allowed to start match threads? What's his record so far this season?

 

well my last one was the ressies catastrophic defeat to the mancs last week

 

What is it about Wigan away? One of those places where time stands still.

 

what does that mean? are you massively stoned?

[Epic Swindle]

Nearly.

[Farmer's Tan]

we are going to f***en batter these, they won't be able to break us down get forced back,keep losing the ball either from us pressuring the man on the ball or just the man on the ball having any easy options. The pressure increasing as the game wears on,the only thing that will stop us is our own finishing. Think we will definitely score 6 this time.

[Cobs]

stick him on, bring him off when he is tired. Was talking to someone yesterday at the game re Carroll, and he said somthing that got me thinking. how many times do you see a winger cross a ball and a centre forward head it in? deadballs aside, very few headers are scored, when wingers send balls in usually the goal is scored with the feet. the big centre foward scoring laods of headers is something that belongs to a bygone age. i think we need to be getting forwards in there with pace ang guile and movement, rather than a big lump like Carroll. back to the transfer market in January

 

 

http://www.myfootballfacts.com/Premier_League_All-Time_Top100_Goalscorers_by_Headers_Scored.html

 

 

 

doesnt break it down by set piece open play but indicates, I suspect, there are more headers scored than you think.

 

 

to test out the theory - guess what % of goals are scored via the head, then click the link. Interesting which player is top of the tree too.

[Molby]

http://www.myfootbal...ers_Scored.html

 

 

 

doesnt break it down by set piece open play but indicates, I suspect, there are more headers scored than you think.

 

 

to test out the theory - guess what % of goals are scored via the head, then click the link. Interesting which player is top of the tree too.

 

but it's out of date though

[Cobs]

but it's out of date though

 

 

a bit - i dont think there's been a sudden drop off in headed goals though

 

 

i'll see if there's anything more up to date

[Molby]

a bit - i dont think there's been a sudden drop off in headed goals though

 

 

i'll see if there's anything more up to date

 

see what the comparisons with La Liga are

 

and also the stats for Barcelona on their own

[Sion]

Wigan are s***. s*** fans, s*** players, s*** ground, s*** chairman, s*** town, s*** women.

They should be in League One.

We will batter them.