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Neville on Gerrard and our mentality

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Can Liverpool change mentality to give Gerrard the title he craves?

 

Steven Gerrard said last week about winning the Premier League with Liverpool: 'It's something I think about almost every day. I always think about the dream of winning it – or the disappointment if I was never to win it. To have played at Liverpool for 14 or 15 years by the time I finish and not win it would be hugely disappointing.'

Gerrard has been one of the best players in the Premier League over the past 13 years.

He is a player who could have played in any of the leading sides in the world in that time.

But when I read his words, about his desire to win the title with Liverpool, it reminded me of Bryan Robson at Manchester United in the Eighties in the era when I was growing up supporting the club, and when at times he was like a one-man team.

Both players have shown immense loyalty to their clubs in the greatest years of their careers and, like Gerrard, Robson spent most of his time wondering whether he would ever win a league title.

Robson eventually got his reward in 1993 and if Gerrard doesn't in the next few years then to say it would be hugely disappointing would be a massive understatement.

The fact that Liverpool haven't won the title for 20 years needs addressing. United in the Bryan Robson days were very much like Liverpool today.

They were a match for anyone on their day against Liverpool, Everton and Arsenal. But they could never bring the level of consistency to their performances against the lesser teams, when there was less intensity about the occasion.

I would watch United in the Eighties, see them win big games against Liverpool and, as a fan, begin to get the feeling that 'We're back!' and 'This is the year!'.

But then you would be let down in the following week in a match that the team would never expect to lose or draw.

And that's what's killing Liverpool. Take this season. They have played six at home and drawn against Sunderland, Norwich and Swansea.

Compare that with United's performances at Old Trafford against Norwich and Sunderland, when the team were nowhere near their best and playing nothing like the quality of football they had produced earlier in the season against Arsenal and Chelsea.

And yet they came away with three points both times. There is a pattern developing at Liverpool.

They cannot seem to impose themselves on smaller sides. You can have one freak result against a side such as Norwich, Swansea and Sunderland, but you can't have three in the first six home games

And it carries over from last season, when they dropped points at home to Sunderland, lost home and away to Blackpool, drew home and away with Wigan and lost at Blackburn, West Ham and West Brom.

That's nothing to do with the quality of the players, because Liverpool have more than enough to win those games, it's all to do with mentality.

On their day, Liverpool players can produce. On Sunday they take on Chelsea at Stamford Bridge and last season they beat Chelsea at home and then recorded a famous victory in this game.

It was an emotional win too because it was Fernando Torres' debut for Chelsea, having left Liverpool the week before.

 

So for Liverpool fans it was of even more importance than usual. But immediately after that victory Liverpool drew at Wigan and lost at West Ham.

And though they then beat United and got a good win at Sunderland, they followed that with a defeat at West Brom, all in the two months after that Chelsea victory.

It isn't the games against your big rivals that normally win you the League; it's making sure you take three points in those lesser games.

They're not the only culprits. In February last year there was a big concern at United about Arsenal.

They were on a great run, had played all the big teams and had the easiest run-in.

They looked to be favourites to win the title. But then they dropped points at home to Sunderland and Blackburn, and at West Brom.

When they lost at Bolton and Stoke, their title challenge was over.

In my time at United we would sometimes sense danger before certain games and would say to each other: 'We have to be at it tomorrow or else it will cost us.'

We would even check ourselves and say: 'Come on! Let's get three points, get out of here and get the job done.'

You have to develop the mentality where you can play against a lesser team and still believe it's a game that defines the championship.

It's not even as though Liverpool have Champions or Europa League football to worry about this season.

Their squad is easily strong enough to cope with the Premier League games and domestic cups.

So the physical aspect shouldn't be an issue. It is about correcting the mind for those lesser games because that's what will win Steven Gerrard the league title.

A championship-winning team has to have endurance of the mind, focus and concentration across the whole season.

Kenny Dalglish is an experienced football man who has won league titles himself as a player and a manager.

My guess is he will be looking very closely at his players over the next few months, to see which of them change their mentality from a big match to a small match.

They're the ones that are the danger, the ones that celebrate after big games thinking the job is done, only to drop points in the next game.

They're the players you have to weed out. That's what Mr. Ferguson has done for 20 years.

When he feels that players aren't at the same level any more, that losing doesn't hurt them as much or that they aren't preparing the same way, he will get rid of them.

Any little weakness is eliminated, because you need strength of character in the dressing room.

Liverpool need to develop that mentality now.

Because if they don't, it could mean that Steven Gerrard's worst fears are realised.

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2063684/Gary-Neville-Can-Liverpool-change-mentality-Gerrard-title-craves.html

 

Nothing that loads of us haven't said before but the scraggly little turd is right.

 

aka Dus

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I dont think we need that c*** to tell us that we have a nose on our face.

 

The prick being conciliatory because us winning would suit his bag of s*** more than Chelsea winning today.

Epic Swindle

Epic Swindle

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Thing is, it's easy to say when you're champions and on the back of 20 years of dominance, but it's a touch harder when you're constantly in transition. The first one is key, if you can fight and scrap your way to a title the rest will follow.

 

The fan's mentality is also a problem, the expectations are either too high or too low.

Benzo-13

Benzo-13

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Think a lot of the loss of winning attitude came under the meek leadership of Moores.

So many years wasted with not a chance of winning the title.

Just wasn't good enough.

Swan Red

Swan Red

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I'm not disputing this is a valid topic for discussion but I'll be f***ed if I have an article written by Neville in the Mail in the main forum.

Billy Dane

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He's right and our challenge is to weed out the weak mentality in the squad which leads to inconsistency in performance. We could also do with the fan base stepping up when we play the "smaller" teams at home, might help raise the game of the team on the pitch.

Swan Red

Swan Red

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A lot of "Isn't Neville alright as a commentator, first time I heard him to be fair" type comments in match threads this season.

 

Cop the f*** on.

 

Exactly, there's no need to refer to him for anything other than being the c*** that he is.

Raj

Raj

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If we dont win the league with Gerrard there, I will be disappointed for him

If we won it the next year I will celebrate regardless

Nebraska Red

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as much as I loathe the little ratboy c***ing manc, i have to admit that his co commentary today was very good.

 

he made some astute observations even before I realised it was a Neville alongside Tyler. Tyler on the other hand was a turd. Even as we took the lead, he said "still time for Cheklsea to come back"

 

i presume they were on Sky, what channel was Champion on?

drdooom

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Apparently Neville said Luiz yesterday looked like he was being controlled by a 10 year old on a playstation. Yes he's a c*** but if he came up with that by himself, that's pretty good. But he's a c***.

ManxRed

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Was it Luiz who Neville described as 'it looks like he's being controlled by a 10 year old boy in the crowd with a playstation controller'? May God have mercy on my soul for laughing at that.

 

Tyler also came out with a comment, after we'd been battering the Chelsea goal for a bit in the first half and then Chelsea went up our end and came close a couple of times, of 'the game's come alive now'. For you Martin, maybe.

 

EDIT: drdoom, you tw*t! :hmm:

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johngibo YPC

johngibo YPC

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Apparently Neville said Luiz yesterday looked like he was being controlled by a 10 year old on a playstation. Yes he's a c*** but if he came up with that by himself, that's pretty good. But he's a c***.

 

Apparantly AVB has got a right s*** on about that

Cobs

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I've completely changed my mind on him as a pundit, his analysis of Chelsea's method of playing out of the back just now on Sky was excellent.

He's a c***

 

But that was good, yer right. Pointing out something the viewer isn't really gonna pick up on. Interesting

 

:rant:

scoose

scoose

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He's a c***

 

But that was good, yer right. Pointing out something the viewer isn't really gonna pick up on. Interesting

 

:rant:

 

sadly he is one of the few that does that. The rest like redknapp spout unsubstantiated s****

 

he is a rat-faced c*** tho

Epic Swindle

Epic Swindle

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Just watching the build up to tonights game and he was unnervingly positive about us. I didn't think we played that high a line but he showed a great image of us squeezed up as a unit in their half, with the 2 CB's on the half way line.

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