Football's cheapest day out

[Bailo]

Link: http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/14366574.stm

 

 

Now I don't want to go down the route of "they're all biased against us", but IMO, this graphic is massively unfair to claim we're the "dearest" in the whole of England.

 

 

Especially when cheapest/most expensive tickets are broken down in full here:

 

Edited August 2, 2011 by Nathan Explosion
Adding a link to the article

[Epic Swindle]

4 quid for a programme, at Leeds?

[Bailo]

4 quid for a programme, at Leeds?

Yup, my Dad goes spare at that. And the whole Ken Bates ownership, to be fair.

[dorgie]

How many £23.50 tickets do Chelsea put on sale ?

[Gunga Din]

just noticed there that we have the smallest difference in prices between our cheapest seats and our most expensive seats from all the clubs who were in the premier last year

[MarkD]

Anyone here ever got a cheap ticket for Fulham? Arsenal? spurs? Chelsea?

[Bailo]

How many £23.50 tickets do Chelsea put on sale ?

Exactly.

 

just noticed there that we have the smallest difference in prices between our cheapest seats and our most expensive seats from all the clubs who were in the premier last year

Exactly. The conclusion that we're the most expensive day out is IMO a false one.

 

Anyone here ever got a cheap ticket for Fulham? Arsenal? spurs? Chelsea?

Exactly.

[ifanew]

This is the graphic on the story now

 

 

The Arsenal dearest ticket price stands out a bit more than our reference tbf

Edited August 2, 2011 by ifanew

[Bailo]

This is the graphic on the story now

 

 

The Arsenal deerest ticket price stands out a bit more than our reference tbf

Well that makes no sense on the BBC's part now, as Arsenal's £100 ticket is their most expensive ticket. The graphic was meant to display the most expensive "cheapest" ticket. It's a stupid thing to use though to make a judgement about how expensive tickets are.

[ifanew]

Well that makes no sense on the BBC's part now, as Arsenal's £100 ticket is their most expensive ticket. The graphic was meant to display the most expensive "cheapest" ticket. It's a stupid thing to use though to make a judgement about how expensive tickets are.

 

 

I know, just proves that you can you can show anything with statistics.

 

they need two tables to show a balanced view.

[Nathan Explosion]

Exactly. The conclusion that we're the most expensive day out is IMO a false one.

 

The conclusion is that we're the most expensive of the cheapest days out, not that we're the most expensive day out.

 

Look at the table below - the 'cheapest day out' totals the cheapest ticket price (in green), plus the programme, pie and a drink. Now go and calculate the most expensive day out (based on those figures) and calm yourself

 

[Bailo]

The conclusion is that we're the most expensive of the cheapest days out, not that we're the most expensive day out.

 

Look at the table below - the 'cheapest day out' totals the cheapest ticket price (in green), plus the programme, pie and a drink. Now go and calculate the most expensive day out (based on those figures) and calm yourself

Oh aye, I know what the conclusion is, I just think it's a weird one to base a survey finding how expensive football is on. They should take the average ticket cost from each club, not just the cheapest.

 

More people will have a cheaper day out at Anfield than say, Stamford Bridge or the Emirates.

[Kvarme Ate My Food]

Even if the BBC have f***ed this up, it is more expensive than it should be to go and watch Liverpool now.

Season tickets probably still represent value for money, but individual match tickets don't.

I know NYR will argue that market forces should determine prices, and that some others will say we're lucky that Big Ian allows the likes of us anywhere near his club when he could be entertaining Lord Grabiner with one of the lesser Tokays.

[Bailo]

Even if the BBC have f***ed this up, it is more expensive than it should be to go and watch Liverpool now.

Season tickets probably still represent value for money, but individual match tickets don't.

I know NYR will argue that market forces should determine prices, and that some others will say we're lucky that Big Ian allows the likes of us anywhere near his club when he could be entertaining Lord Grabiner with one of the lesser Tokays.

How much do you think it should cost?

 

I think some of the cheapest tickets stats do show that the bigger the ground you have, the more scope you have to be flexible and have cheaper tickets. That and being s***.

Edited August 2, 2011 by Bailo

[Kvarme Ate My Food]

How much do you think it should cost?

 

About 25 quid.

 

There's obviously a context to consider, I'm not denying that - when seats are relatively scarce and our competitors are bringing in far greater revenues then I know that tickets can't be charged at £25 right now.

[Nathan Explosion]

They should take the average ticket cost from each club, not just the cheapest.

 

But they want to show what the cheapest day out would be, so they use actual figures to determine that because that's what people would pay if they were able to get everything at its cheapest price. Match-goers don't pay the average ticket cost, they pay the actual ticket cost. Using the average figure wouldn't show what they are aiming to show.

[Bailo]

But they want to show what the cheapest day out would be, so they use actual figures to determine that because that's what people would pay.....match-goers don't pay the average ticket cost, they pay the actual ticket cost. Using the average figure wouldn't show what they are showing.

Their overall point is "look how expensive football is getting" isn't it? To do this, they've decided to take the cheapest day out as the measure - fair enough, but in order to make their overall message, I don't think it's a particularly apt figure to take. How many really get to buy the £10 Newcastle ticket, or the £23.50 Chelsea ticket? Which opponents are those for? Is that a child or adult ticket? Does it consider family tickets?

 

I just think it's a crap measure of how expensive football is. Ironically, it'd probably look more expensive if they took average ticket cost.

 

They've later cocked it up anyway by swapping our "cheapest" ticket for Arsenal's most expensive in the graphic, which really doesn't support their original point.

[Ethan]

I wish I could get to a game for less than 200 quid #OOTSgetittight

[Kvarme Ate My Food]

I wish I could get to a game for less than 200 quid #OOTSgetittight

 

Do you think you've mentioned this enough in the last week?

[Nathan Explosion]

Their overall point is "look how expensive football is getting" isn't it?

 

Yes - but the graphic shows "Cheapest Day Out" in the column, and provides the total of the 4 items they are using to determine the cheapest day out at a club in the Premier League. That appears to be your issue....that they have made it look like we are one of the most expensive places to go to. They haven't.

 

To do this, they've decided to take the cheapest day out as the measure - fair enough, but in order to make their overall message, I don't think it's a particularly apt figure to take. How many really get to buy the £10 Newcastle ticket, or the £23.50 Chelsea ticket? Which opponents are those for? Is that a child or adult ticket? Does it consider family tickets?

 

Regardless of how many get this or that ticket....they are talking about how cheap it could be to go to a match, if you got the cheapest ticket available for an adult (it points that out in the graphic that was changed "Adult League Match Ticket"

 

They've later cocked it up anyway by swapping our "cheapest" ticket for Arsenal's most expensive in the graphic, which really doesn't support their original point.

 

The point with that graphic is to show what the cheapest possible is (in green) and what the most expensive is (in red)

[Bailo]

Yes - but the graphic shows "Cheapest Day Out" in the column, and provides the total of the 4 items they are using to determine the cheapest day out at a club in the Premier League. That appears to be your issue....that they have made it look like we are one of the most expensive places to go to. They haven't.

They had, when they had our cheapest ticket down the as the most expensive "cheapest" ticket in the country. It's not factually incorrect, but I don't think it tells the true story of whether we're expensive or not. They've now changed the graphic to reflect the actual range in prices from cheapest to most expensive, which doesn't fit with their "cheapest day out possible" scenario.

 

Regardless of how many get this or that ticket....they are talking about how cheap it could be to go to a match, if you got the cheapest ticket available for an adult (it points that out in the graphic that was changed "Adult League Match Ticket"

Yeah, I know! But I just don't think that's a useful hypothetical scenario.

 

The point with that graphic is to show what the cheapest possible is (in green) and what the most expensive is (in red)

Ok, it is now. It wasn't originally.

[Spion kop]

the revised graphic makes no sense, how can Arsenal be the most expensive ticket but Liverpool the most expensive day out entirely at half the price.

[Kvarme Ate My Food]

Would you feel better about the world if people thought it was inexpensive to go and watch Liverpool?

[Bailo]

Would you feel better about the world if people thought it was inexpensive to go and watch Liverpool?

Not really, I just like righting the wrongs in this cruel, cruel world.

 

Since starting the thread, I have realised it's a very boring point, and so have re-concentrated on solving bacterial antibiotic resistance.

[Nathan Explosion]

the revised graphic makes no sense, how can Arsenal be the most expensive ticket but Liverpool the most expensive day out entirely at half the price.

 

Plank.