"The Liverpool Way"

[Elm0]

Heard this phrase bandied about all over the place. Guess my question is simple: as with anything modernisation is inevitable. Do you think the traditional "Liverpool Way" still has a place in todays money grabbing football world, or do you think fans are right to act out of traditional character to flex their muscles?

 

Discuss.

[Molby]

Heard this phrase bandied about all over the place. Guess my question is simple: as with anything modernisation is inevitable. Do you think the traditional "Liverpool Way" still has a place in todays money grabbing football world, or do you think fans are right to act out of traditional character to flex their muscles?

 

Discuss.

 

a bit more detail please

 

we flexed our muscles versus the owners - nowhere near enough and not quick enough imo, but in the end, what we did stood out and no other club's supporters could have done what we did imo

 

 

are you talking about getting RH sacked?

[Chewie]

the liverpool is about winning football matches. Period. Longevity of management comes because he oversees the winning of football matches. Period. If ye can be bothered read below...painful reminder of how low we plumbed in Jan... if you don't want to read it all read point 5 - it just about sums uyp TLW for me...

 

oh...it also highlights the fear a lot of us had about getting rid of Rafa...even if we thought, on balance, it perhaps should happen...

 

http://www.ynwa.tv/forum/index.php?showtopic=148056&st=0&p=2548905&fromsearch=1entry2548905

Edited November 14, 2010 by Chewie

[Elm0]

a bit more detail please

 

we flexed our muscles versus the owners - nowhere near enough and not quick enough imo, but in the end, what we did stood out and no other club's supporters could have done what we did imo

 

 

are you talking about getting RH sacked?

 

Well the whole RH experience has definitely brought the idea of "Liverpool Way" out of the shadows with more mentioned than anyone would care for. Although thats part of it, I mean in a more general fashion. Theres a lot of rhetoric, on here especially that suggests people are clinging onto the traditional values of the club, even when its quite evident that things, have, will and need to change. Not just the idea of the Liverpool Way I suppose, but things like the boot room culture of promoting from within. I just get a sense that some people would like a return to the 70's/80's when it was a lot more respectful and you could more or less predict what was going to happen next in terms of the football club.

 

I guess what im trying to get at in a long winded fashion, and using the idea of the "liverpool way" as a vehicle for doing so, is whether people want to go back to the days. When fans went and watched, knew what was happening in terms of the next manager, coaching staff etc, but ultimately kept politically quiet about footballing matters. Or whether they think the club and ideology needs to modernise (and I guess polarise further from those days), accepting that things may not be like the old days, but that a more modern approach and a stronger voice from the fans will serve the club better in the long term?

[Falconhoof]

whatever the Liverpool way is, it is not settling for 2nd best or worse. It is ruthless when it needs to be and it clears the decks for better men to come in.

Its also adaptable to change and it needs to evolve and not be some museum piece albatross round the neck of the club.

[Buzz]

Had this conversation with a mate last night (he has 2 teams, Blue noses and manure ). He said that Manure is declining and slur will leave united as Dalglish apparently did with us, with a great, but ageing, team and no one else comming through the ranks to take the senior players places, ensuring a fall from grace. With regards to can teams still carry on with the Liverpool way type of philosophy, I mentioned Athletic Bilbao and Villa Real, two teams who have their own way of going about running their clubs and still serving in one of the best leagues in the world. Though he said Athletic Bilbao are continually finding it a struggle, he conceeded on Villa Real.

 

I think it really depends on the club, owners, players and fans alike if a traditional style and philosophy can or will work in modern football, but, it ceratinly has a place as every cup giant killer, or, tormentor will tell you from any grass roots football, upwards..

Edited November 14, 2010 by Buzz

[smithdown]

Never try to cheat the supporters.

 

That's all there is to it.

[Buzz]

Never try to cheat the supporters.

 

That's all there is to it.

Aye, supporters identify with a club and are as much a part of that club as any member of the staff.

[growler]

I think Roy has done more to destroy the liverpool way than hicks and gillette. poor play, poor signings, unsettling settled players, deluded press conferences, not defending the club, players anything other than himself, lying and disrespect to the fans and journalists who actually protect him.

[Earl Hafler]

I think fans have had to act out of character to protect The Liverpool Way, simply because the club was being run by people who have no idea or care for what it is.

 

Hodgson is in that category.

[Lee W]

Heard this phrase bandied about all over the place. Guess my question is simple: as with anything modernisation is inevitable. Do you think the traditional "Liverpool Way" still has a place in todays money grabbing football world, or do you think fans are right to act out of traditional character to flex their muscles?

 

Discuss.

 

No, I don't think TLW exists these days and yes we should act out of "traditional" character and do everything possible to remove our fraud of a manager.

[Ed the Wool]

It's about creating an environment where everyone is pulling with all their might towards winning on the pitch.

 

To do that, individuals have to be aware of the responsibilities each one of them holds, be it manager, player, supporter, academy coach, scouse pie seller.

 

It's the seeking of perfection, and the wholehearted enjoyment of the pursuit of that perfection. It goes beyond the individual, it binds us all together. It's spiritual.

 

When something enters the way that is not in keeping with it, it causes all of pain and damage and if necessary it can be rooted out. Hicks, Gillett, Purslow and Hodgson. I don't think there's anything 'un

[Flasher]

The Liverpool Way?

 

It's about a collective. Everyone reading from the same book.

 

Integrity and accountability.

 

It's also about not being passive and allowing others to discredit you.

 

You fight, always.

[Falconhoof]

A lot of these things that people are claiming are The Liverpool Way, are more generic of sporting excellence or even organisational excellence. All successful teams would say these things.

[Jarg Armani]

it's a forum full of absolute balloonheads isn't it?

[Falconhoof]

it's a forum full of absolute balloonheads isn't it?

 

harsh but like you calling everyone balloonheads.

 

There's a chance here for NESV to come in and get the club all pulling together towards excellence again. It takes unity from the top down through the staff, team and fans. There is an obvious glaring obstacle to both unity and excellence. It needs to be shoved aside and then we can get on with winning things. Win silverware and 'theliverpoolway' whatever it is, will take care of itself.

[chrisbonnie]

it's a forum full of absolute balloonheads isn't it?

 

no, thats RAWK

[crisps]

To me the Liverpool way is about success, respect, winning and as a club as a whole made up of a 'decent bunch' its obvious is some players and managers like Gerrard, Carra, Reina, Kuyt, Rafa, Houllier, they understand the LIverpool way and even for their faults at times, the fans understand and respect them.

 

I'd hate to have players like Robinho, Nani, Rooney, Terry here as good as some of them maybe, I just don't like them and they come across as scumbags, cheats, w*****s etc...

 

We have seen players in the past who have had similar traits and theres been players who i couldnt wait to see the back of for reasons other than being s**** on the pitch e.g. Diouf, Itandje, Pennant as they are not 'Liverpool' players...

 

Now with Roy obviously he's not like the players listed above but as he's proved with his tactics, his bewildering interviews, pitying himself etc but since he's been here he has done himself no favours whatsoever to win over any of the fans or players and it looks like he never will do now.

 

Now I'd hate for us as a club to be like Madrid and Newcastle and sack managers every year or so, but I think the fans demand everyone associated with the club - especially the manager - should understand the LIverpool way, needless to say it's obvious to us all, Roy doesnt have a f***ing clue what it is...

[Ed the Wool]

It's about creating an environment where everyone is pulling with all their might towards winning on the pitch.

 

To do that, individuals have to be aware of the responsibilities each one of them holds, be it manager, player, supporter, academy coach, scouse pie seller.

 

It's the seeking of perfection, and the wholehearted enjoyment of the pursuit of that perfection. It goes beyond the individual, it binds us all together. It's spiritual.

 

When something enters the way that is not in keeping with it, it causes all of pain and damage and if necessary it can be rooted out. Hicks, Gillett, Purslow and Hodgson. I don't think there's anything 'un TLW' about that.

[Nebraska Red]

no, thats RAWK

 

 

no, RAWK is full of f***ing, swearing every other word, balloonheads.

 

for me, as an elder statesman, the Liverpool way was all about putting out your best 11 , regardless of the opposition, never changing the team unless a player was injured or banned. playing for 90 plus minutes in every game, being proud to wear the crest and putting the fear of god into opponents.

 

in years past, it was assumed tha tthe Liverpool way referred to the pass and move style of play introduced by Shamkly and continued by Paisley et al.

 

the game of football is f***ed these days, cheating players, corrupt officials, cowardly administrations running the game and TV companies with way too much power. us having a manager who is nothing short of moronic doesn't help either.

[_00_deathscar]

it's a forum full of absolute balloonheads isn't it?

 

"TLW" is a forum full of Rafa haters.

[Snookie]

A club:

• Built on the Shankly's trinity of the players, managers and supporters.
• Committed to a set of simple values - No cheating. No whining. No egos.
• That shows respect to its opponents, particularly when they win.
• Based on emotion not sentimentality.
• Whose sole purpose is to win.
• Rooted in the community (of supporters).

To quote the motto of the club we are perhaps most similar to; 'More than a club '.

[_00_deathscar]

Don't compare us to f***ing Barcelona. They're c****.

[Snookie]

Don't compare us to f***ing Barcelona. They're c****.

 

That's your opinion. Not one I share but that isn't the point. Each club, and both sets of supporters, see their clubs as being more than football teams.