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alias75

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alias75

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Is it a coincidence that the young players that have been given a chance under Roy have all been English?

 

Have to say i have been a little confused how little chance Pacheco has got, not even making the bench. Hes played Ecclestone out wide even though hes a striker and hes played Shelvey out wide even though hes a central midfielder, he hasn't given Pacheco a chance even though he can play in those wide forward positions. Anyone thats watched the reserves last season will know that Pacheco has been a step above most of our other young players (including Ecclestone)

 

Letting Dalle Valle go to Fulham too as part of the Konchesky "deal" also suggests the foreign youngsters aren't going to be given as much of a chance as the English youngsters, even if he wasn't going to make it here im sure hes a player that we could have sold for £3-4 million after a few successful loan spells or something, its seems crazy that he was allowed to leave for nothing (unless we valued Konchesky closer to £7million!!)

 

Im glad players like Kelly and Shelvey are getting a chance, although id wish they'd be getting that chance in their proper positions, but i hope the foreign youngsters we have here of which a few are very highly rated are given the same chance.

Epic Swindle

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Bar Pacheco, who isn't all that he's cracked up to be, which foreign players should be involved?

 

I think the push for more young English players was started under Rafa as part of the new homegrown sanctions. In theory the more English lads we can bring through the more of our money can be spent on quality from abroad, so I welcome it.

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Bailo

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I'm very surprised Wilson hasn't had more of a go - after all he's coming off a full season with Rangers. It's not like Kelly or Eccleston.

CarraLegend

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Arsenal none, City Pacheco, West Brom none, Birmingham none, Man Utd none, Sunderland none, Blackpool none, John W Henry and his young player policy arrives, Everton none, Blackburn Shelvey, Bolton none, Chelsea Spearing, Shelvey, Wigan Shelvey, Eccleston. Left Kelly out as his inclusion has been forced due to having no one else.

 

Maybe nothing, or maybe its a little change in policy since the owners have arrived, hey look at me I do use young players.

 

I'm very surprised Wilson hasn't had more of a go - after all he's coming off a full season with Rangers. It's not like Kelly or Eccleston.

 

His confidence is probably wrecked after Northampton, he had a mare then again he's a centre back not a left back.

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alias75

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Bar Pacheco, who isn't all that he's cracked up to be, which foreign players should be involved?

 

I think the push for more young English players was started under Rafa as part of the new homegrown sanctions. In theory the more English lads we can bring through the more of our money can be spent on quality from abroad, so I welcome it.

 

I guess Pacheco is the obvious one although the point about letting Dalle Valle go also hints at maybe the foreign youngsters will get less of a chance here. But Pacheco was head and shoulders above people like Ecclestone for the reserves so its just confusing why he hasn't been given a chance, especially since Ecclestone has been played as a wide forward where Pacheco is more suited.

 

Of course im all for young English players being given a chance but it has to be on merit, if Pacheco isn't getting a chance because Roy prefers to try English players then that isn't fair either.

 

Those young foreign players will qualify for the home grown quota soon anyway so that's no reason not to give them a chance. I worry that we'll lose real talent like Pacheco and Ayala and in a few years maybe Suso. Also if young foreign players feel like they'll have less of a chance her we might not be able to attract future world class players from overseas.

Epic Swindle

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I agree with a lot of that, and would certainly have him on the bench, but I'm not sure it's because of any English bias. Without knowing what's gone on with Pacheco, who was used earlier in the season, if the foreign lads are good enough they'll get their chance. It's very rare that we let genuine talent leave to go on to bigger and better things. Hopefully we'll now start to target the cream of the crop instead of sweeping up every available young player hoping we strike lucky.

honourablegeorge

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Arsenal none, City Pacheco, West Brom none, Birmingham none, Man Utd none, Sunderland none, Blackpool none, John W Henry and his young player policy arrives, Everton none, Blackburn Shelvey, Bolton none, Chelsea Spearing, Shelvey, Wigan Shelvey, Eccleston. Left Kelly out as his inclusion has been forced due to having no one else.

 

Maybe nothing, or maybe its a little change in policy since the owners have arrived, hey look at me I do use young players.

 

How much of all that has been down to injuries? Was Ngog fit last night? Meireles was sick, which meant Shelvey got a chance. Spearing got his chance pretty late at Chelsea

D.Boon

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as a matter of interest has Dalle Valle got any pitch time at Fulham this season yet?

 

One for the future. Scouts all over the globe have been chattering about this kids potential.

CarraLegend

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How much of all that has been down to injuries? Was Ngog fit last night? Meireles was sick, which meant Shelvey got a chance. Spearing got his chance pretty late at Chelsea

 

Ngog was fine.

 

Jovanovic made far more sense than Shelvey and put Maxi on the right. I'm not knocking young players getting a chance, I just think its a political game rather than him doing it because he wants to, he talked down the young players again last night as he always does.

Metro

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One for the future. Scouts all over the globe have been chattering about this kids potential.

 

 

Fulham have already had a couple of enquiries.....

Bailo

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as a matter of interest has Dalle Valle got any pitch time at Fulham this season yet?

Was talking about this with a Fulham mate last night - no, played exclusively for the reserves so far.

alias75

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I don't think Dalla Valle's ready yet, BUT i have no doubt he'll be worth 3-4 million in a few years once hes maybe gone out on loan somewhere. To let him go for nothing is a terrible decision not to mention we also let Alex Kacaniklic go too. All for Paul Konchesky ffs!!

 

Didn't Roy even admit he knew very little about LDV when he let him go??

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I don't think Dalla Valle's ready yet, BUT i have no doubt he'll be worth 3-4 million in a few years once hes maybe gone out on loan somewhere. To let him go for nothing is a terrible decision not to mention we also let Alex Kacaniklic go too. All for Paul Konchesky ffs!!

 

Didn't Roy even admit he knew very little about LDV when he let him go?? even less

 

fixed, etc

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Didn't Roy even admit he knew very little about LDV when he let him go??

 

Did he try and sign him for Fulham in January? They were talking about a fee of around £3.5 million I believe.

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Maybe the PFK deal was all part of the Fulham deal for Roy - like Mourinho's start at Chelsea, when he went back to Porto and paid them about £40m for Carvalho and Ferreira.

 

We agreed to take their worst player and give them two of our better youngsters. Of course Roy hasn't understood that you don't have to *play* the rubbish we signed from them.

 

No idea why we owed Middlesborough a favour, mind. :bleh:

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Yes, but I think it was McPharland who was eager to get him down there.

 

It was Malcolm Elias. Hodgson said he didn't have a strong opinion either way.

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