Holloway

[Cobs]

No different to the Wolves situation last season - is it?

 

like Wolves, i think he should be allowed to pick whichever side from his squad he likes - but the FA have got to fine them, surely?

[Rimbeux]

Set a precedent, have a rule in place, expect him to quit. I think I heard they judge it by asking the managers to list their top 25 players in order and if the score falls below a point they investigate (this might be b******s).

[StevieC]

Must be some context here though. Wolves sent out a team of reserves as they thought they had no chance of winning.

 

Blackpool sent some out as the have 4 games in 10 days or something- against Villa.

[Cobs]

Set a precedent, have a rule in place, expect him to quit. I think I heard they judge it by asking the managers to list their top 25 players in order and if the score falls below a point they investigate (this might be b******s).

 

that's got to be bolllocks, surely?

[Chili Palmer]

A manager should do whats best for his team and his team alone. f*** what the FA think is the better or 'full strength' team.

 

As for Holloway, I used to like him but he's starting to do my head in now. He should shut up for a week or two.

 

 

[Cobs]

Must be some context here though. Wolves sent out a team of reserves as they thought they had no chance of winning.

 

Blackpool sent some out as the have 4 games in 10 days or something- against Villa.

 

pretty sure they both changed 10 outfield players

 

really don't see any difference whichever 'reason' you use to dress it up

 

 

rod for their own backs here, the FA.

[gulaman]

He was more likeable in the lower leagues. Now he just annoys me, especially after that embarrassing press conference where he was basically sucking off Ferguson.

[Stevie H]

it's an absurd 'rule'. any manager should be entitled to pick the team he sees fit as they have an entire season to manage, not individual matches with the league's 'reputation' as a guideline.

[Gilps]

What's the point in making clubs register a squad of no more than 25 senior pros with the league if they're not then free to pick whoever they choose from it?

[Sir Tokyo Sexwale]

A manager should do whats best for his team and his team alone. f*** what the FA think is the better or 'full strength' team.

 

As for Holloway, I used to like him but he's starting to do my head in now. He should shut up for a week or two.

agree with all of this.

 

Wonder what would have happened if Blackpool had won?

 

If you've got a squad, you should be allowed to pick it how you like. I wasn't happy with the Wolves situation last season, but I agreed on this point. Who's to say what your strongest 11 is if you factor in tiredness etc

[muleskinner]

I was pleased he confirmed that the managers have been instructed to say 'Barclays Premier League' at all times.

[Stevie H]

yes, i liked that too.

 

the rule of thumb on this seems to be that it's ok to make as many changes as you like so long as you are a perceived 'big club' and have champions league games to worry about. if you're a minnow fighting for top flight survival then woe betide you. it's a nonsense.

[Epic Swindle]

Sky have just showed the team Rafa picked for the Fulham game which included Reina, Alonso, Arbeloa, Fowler, Bellamy, Sissoko, Hyppia and Pennant as an example of us playing a weakened team.

[MarkD]

Sky have just showed the team Rafa picked for the Fulham game which included Reina, Alonso, Arbeloa, Fowler, Bellamy, Sissoko, Hyppia and Pennant as an example of us playing a weakened team.

 

I'd love that weakend team to play for us now

[Candystore]

Sky have just showed the team Rafa picked for the Fulham game which included Reina, Alonso, Arbeloa, Fowler, Bellamy, Sissoko, Hyppia and Pennant as an example of us playing a weakened team.

 

The team sent Sheff Utd down according to then manager Warnock (tos*e*). None of the other games during the season mattered................

[Cam]

Holloway was always gonna make that threat this season. He can't stop doing it; I bet he does it at home 3 times a week.

 

He can pick a team to rest players; they competed last night The difference with Wolves is that they admitted to writing off the Mancs game beforehand. Sure, McCarthy dressed it up afterwards as resting but he didn't do it again that season, did he? Odd how the one day they were tired just happened to be a Mancs game.

 

But Blackpool can rest players and use the 25-man squad quite freely as rules stand. However, I think the rules do need tightening or it will lead to a devaluation of the competition much like how the League Cup has suffered (and the FA Cup is going through the same problem). It'll also eventually lead to a match-throwing/betting scandal.

[Cobs]

Wolves won away at Spurs having run their legs off - had something daft like 30% possession

 

then they had to go away to United - rested everybody and lost, then won on the saturday with the 'Spurs' team v Burnley

 

 

6 points from those 9 games for Wolves = good use of your squad

 

the £25k fine was ridiculous but the precedent has clearly been set and now Blackpool need to receive the same

 

 

can't wait to see Holloway quit

 

 

'The Premier League Board has issued Wolverhampton Wanderers FC with a suspended £25,000 fine after deciding that the team fielded in their league fixture against Manchester United on 15 December 2009 was not full strength and therefore in breach of Rule E20.

 

'The board also deemed that the club had failed to fulfil its obligations to the league and other clubs in the utmost good faith and was therefore in breach of Rule B13.

 

'The board considered submissions from Wolverhampton Wanderers FC and had sympathy for the explanation submitted by the club in relation to similar cases

from previous seasons. However the board ruled that this case could be differentiated from the other matches cited and that disciplinary action was warranted.

 

'In coming to this decision the board also wants to put clubs on notice that any future rule breach of this nature would be subject to a disciplinary commission that would have available a full range of sanctions.'

 

 

Rule E.20 states that clubs must field full-strength sides in every match, while B.13 states that each club must act in good faith towards one another.

 

Wolves chief executive Jez Moxey said: 'We are obviously disappointed but we respect the Premier League's ruling especially as they have now used our case as a clear warning to all other clubs, some of whom have made similar changes to their teams in Premier League matches in the past, that this is not acceptable in the future.

 

 

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1251919/Wolves-hit-suspended-25-000-fine-fielding-weakened-team-Manchester-United.html#ixzz14z7fi5lK

[StevieC]

pretty sure they both changed 10 outfield players

 

really don't see any difference whichever 'reason' you use to dress it up

 

 

rod for their own backs here, the FA.

 

 

One 'reason' is we didn't think we'd win and therefore didn't bother to compete against tough opposition (and only that specific opposition).

 

The other, is we have a limited squad, many games and so put out the best available team.

 

The net result is the same but you can see where common sense might need to be applied.

[Cobs]

One 'reason' is we didn't think we'd win and therefore didn't bother to compete against tough opposition (and only that specific opposition).

 

The other, is we have a limited squad, many games and so put out the best available team.

The net result is the same but you can see where common sense might need to be applied.

 

= breach of the rules

 

the rest is semantics

[lfc003]

What's the point in making clubs register a squad of no more than 25 senior pros with the league if they're not then free to pick whoever they choose from it?

 

Is correct!!

 

I'm no Holloway fan but he picked player's registered to play and did nothing wrong. If there was no 25 man registered squads then u could argue that the precedent had been set with Wolves last season and he should be fined but new season and new rules mean no punishment surely?

 

What annoy's me most is the would be no big furore or conversation over this if Blackpool hadn't conceeded a late goal and lost.

Edited November 11, 2010 by lfc003

[Stevie H]

The team sent Sheff Utd down according to then manager Warnock (tos*e*). None of the other games during the season mattered................

didn't colin already play a 'weakened' side at old trafford much earlier that season though?

[Rory Fitzgerald]

didn't colin already play a 'weakened' side at old trafford much earlier that season though?

 

They did and had some Jamaican called Luton Shelton who made his debut I think and actually played pretty well.

[kop205]

A manager should do whats best for his team and his team alone. f*** what the FA think is the better or 'full strength' team.

 

As for Holloway, I used to like him but he's starting to do my head in now. He should shut up for a week or two.

 

He's done my head in for ages with his tiresome, contrived quirkiness.

 

In hiw own way he is every bit as attention seeking as someone like Mourihno, just in a more endearing/less objectionable manner - fine if you likk that sort of thing, but lets not pretend it is anything other than look-at-me egotism.

[Flasher]

The Wolves fine was a suspended one. Blackpool will probably get the same. The Premier League and FA like to brush these things under the carpet.

 

Whoever challenged this in the first place, be it FA or Premier League needs their head read. It's pathetic.

 

Where were the FA when Carlton Palmer and Geoff Thomas were being picked to play for England? No difference in my book

[Tones]

Ian Holloway has apologised to Mick McCarthy following his comments regarding the Wolves manager's team selection last season.

 

Blackpool boss Holloway suggested this week that McCarthy made 10 changes to his starting line-up against Manchester United last term because he did not believe they could win the match.

 

Holloway has come under investigation from the Premier League after making 10 changes himself to his Pool side which lost 3-2 at Aston Villa on Wednesday night.

 

The League set a precedent by slapping Wolves with a suspended £25,000 fine for doing the same thing against United last term, but Holloway suggested the two circumstances cannot be compared because, he alleged, McCarthy openly accepted that he had not fielded a full-strength side because he did not believe he could defeat the Red Devils.

Offence

 

McCarthy understandably took offence to the suggestion, but says Holloway has since apologised and will reiterate the apology publicly.

 

"I've just spoken to Ollie," McCarthy told Sky Sports News.

 

"He gave me a mention and he's just apologised to me and will apologise publicly for the comments attributed to me and my team.

 

"If anybody can find my comment from me - that I said I couldn't beat Manchester United and I'm going to play a weakened side - if you can find that comment that I've used, that I've said, then you'll be a better man than me Gunga Din, I can tell you."

 

McCarthy insists Holloway's own predicament is not his concern, adding: "It's not my issue. That was my issue and I'm glad I spoke to him before I came here."

 

 

 

Hmmmmm

 

Ian Holloway has apologised to Mick McCarthy following his comments regarding the Wolves manager's team selection last season.

 

Blackpool boss Holloway suggested this week that McCarthy made 10 changes to his starting line-up against Man