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A while back someone posted link to a formation/tactics website giving details on what teams used what tactics etc and wondered if anyone could pots a link to it. It was highly regarded.

 

Cheers

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zonalmarking.net

 

cracking site which if you look in the 'about us' is actually owned and operated by 'allardiccio holdings ltd'.

Yeah, cheers for that, page 1

 

'But Mainz triumphed 2-1 over Bayern, using a 4-3-1-2 formation and pressing all over the pitch.'

 

Even more pissed off now !!

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You might enjoy this one John: http://werder-fussball-blog.net/

 

Cheers!

 

Do you follow the Bundesliga much? I'd watch more of it if they didn't put this annoying 'Konferenz' on the screen everywhere - you're watching one match (e.g. Bayern-Mainz 05) and it suddely switches over to another one - most of the time I just stop watching because it gets so annoying.

 

Anyway, if you DO watch the Bundesliga, do know what accounts for the recent success of 'surprise' clubs like Hoffenheim, Wolfsburg and now Mainz? My suspicion is that they are playing a different kind of football than the Bundesliga has traditionally been known for - until recently German football seemed to be stuck in this 3-at-the-back (or is it 5?) must-have-a-Beckenbauer-impersonator mindset.

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Rafael Honigstein's article on Thomas Tuchel is interesting (linked in the ZM piece). Sounds like the Mainz boss is one to keep an eye on...

 

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2010/sep/23/thomas-tuchel-mainz-bundesliga

 

Tuchel is non-dogmatic on formations, chopping and changing in order to hurt the specific opposition most. The constants in Mainz's game are plenty of running, intense pressing and the fastest possible switch from defence to attack and vice versa. "The way we pressed and the quality of our runs would have made it possible for us to play in the Premier League tonight. This was the best game since I came here," said a beaming Tuchel after the win. No one wanted to argue with him. "Mainz play the way romantics still perceive English football," wrote Süddeutsche Zeitung.
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Do you follow the Bundesliga much? I'd watch more of it if they didn't put this annoying 'Konferenz' on the screen everywhere - you're watching one match (e.g. Bayern-Mainz 05) and it suddely switches over to another one - most of the time I just stop watching because it gets so annoying.

 

Anyway, if you DO watch the Bundesliga, do know what accounts for the recent success of 'surprise' clubs like Hoffenheim, Wolfsburg and now Mainz? My suspicion is that they are playing a different kind of football than the Bundesliga has traditionally been known for - until recently German football seemed to be stuck in this 3-at-the-back (or is it 5?) must-have-a-Beckenbauer-impersonator mindset.

I can't follow it so easily this year unfortunately, since the shake up in league licensing on TV (I'm based in Copenhagen) - I used to watch a Saturday afternoon game the last couple of years. Now I catch the occasional stream, and the highlights show on ARD when I'm free. My impression was that the German sides had got over the obsession with back 3's a while back, e.g. Bayern's CL winning side, Leverkusen under Toppmoller etc. My impression about the German game is

 

* coaching is a profession taken seriously, and it's ok to be a real game-thinker - there are so many UEFA qualified coaches in Germany, and it is much more OK compared to the British game to treat the coaching as an intellectual exercise, and some really talented coaches! Rangnick, Tuchel, Schaaf, I would have said Magath but now he's at Schalke I don't know if I can pay him any compliments :)

* as a result they develop huge numbers of intelligent footballers - like Holland, Denmark, and others - which mean that tactical flexibility is more easily achieved.

* good scouting (at Hoffenheim in particular)

* less gap between the top and the promoted sides, probably due to financial regs of the Bundesliga

* more willingness to play attractive attacking football all round really, just like Blackpool are doing well with this season, and WBA

 

Like I say, I do find it more difficult to follow these day, so it's difficult to really know, but you make a good point, I really like the league and the surprises it throws up.

 

Rafael Honigstein's article on Thomas Tuchel is interesting (linked in the ZM piece). Sounds like the Mainz boss is one to keep an eye on...

Yeah you are not joking. He hasn't won anything yet, of course, and we probably have to wait until next season to see how he gets on in European football, but he does look a very impressive coach. It probably won't be long until the biger German teams are in for him, but if we ever return to looking for the type of manager that we were after when we appointed Rafa - youger up and coming coach with track record of success without being the largest spender then Tuchel would already be looking near the top of the list. He speaks English too... (I've been trying to find that out since last season!). The main question mark with him would be whether he has the persona for a really big job like LFC.

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Yeah you are not joking. He hasn't won anything yet, of course, and we probably have to wait until next season to see how he gets on in European football, but he does look a very impressive coach. It probably won't be long until the biger German teams are in for him, but if we ever return to looking for the type of manager that we were after when we appointed Rafa - youger up and coming coach with track record of success without being the largest spender then Tuchel would already be looking near the top of the list. He speaks English too... (I've been trying to find that out since last season!). The main question mark with him would be whether he has the persona for a really big job like LFC.

 

Said as much to my brother earlier. Positive early signs it seems, but VERY early signs. Will be interesting to see how he and Mainz progress, especially if they do reach Europe. Sounds like a forward-thinking, progressive coach though. Exciting.

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Do you follow the Bundesliga much? I'd watch more of it if they didn't put this annoying 'Konferenz' on the screen everywhere - you're watching one match (e.g. Bayern-Mainz 05) and it suddely switches over to another one - most of the time I just stop watching because it gets so annoying.

 

Change the channel and choose the game then!

 

Admittedly, it's hard finding your way around the box, but you can just watch one game.

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You could argue Masch did it too, I remember before he arrived Rafa spoke about the Argentinian #5 position where the DM dropped in at CB too

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He's definitely doing it now, he is the deepest player at Barca half the time I've seen them, Pique especially being happy to station himself in front of Masch when they are in possession. I have no idea what they bought Masch for tbh.

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