Newsnight on BBC discuss England team

[Rory Fitzgerald]

Dave said;

 

On Capello: I always agreed that the best man for the job should get it even if he is foreign

 

On the players: Over paid bunch, they dont have the heart for the fight, they never give it all and it all rests at their door

 

On English managers: There are no good English managers and the FA should keep looking for the best man despite the nationalilty on his passport

 

On the Premier League: There is just the right amount in the league and the FA have no reason to look at it. We are in the EU and thats great for our league because the fact that we cant introduce quotas has advanced the game

[Zoob]

On Sucking Ferguson's c**k: Yes, I love to do that as much as possible. When I'm not doing it, I'm thinking about doing it.

[Stevie H]

that this tinpot tory tw*t is considered an expert spokesman largely sums up the english game and why england will never win a world cup ever again. even in north korea 2066 they'll still be talking about 100 years of hurt.

[fyds]

that this tinpot tory tw*t is considered an expert spokesman largely sums up the english game and why england will never win a world cup ever again. even in north korea 2066 they'll still be talking about 100 years of hurt.

Nah - by then all English people will be so fat and unhealthy, there will be no-one left to play football outside of a virtual environment that requires you simply moving your eyes so your burger hand is free.

[_00_deathscar]

He's right for once though.

[Stevie H]

dave whelan just over a year ago:

 

Wigan chairman Dave Whelan blasts FA for appointing foreign coach Fabio Capello

http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news/Wigan-chairman-Dave-Whelan-blasts-FA-for-appointing-foreign-coach-Fabio-Capello-article29719.html

 

Dave Whelan has blasted the Football Association for betraying the English game with the appointment of Fabio Capello - and has vowed that there will never be a foreign manager at Wigan.

 

At the end of a week in which Capello maintained England's perfect start to their World Cup qualifying campaign, the outspoken Latics chief refuses to buy into the hype surrounding the Italian.

 

Instead, Whelan has billed today's clash with Everton as a battle between the best of British talent - Steve Bruce versus David Moyes.

 

Whelan said: "I don't just think British managers are the equals of their foreign counterparts, they are better - and what Steve and David are doing for their clubs proves that.

 

"Then there's Sir Alex Ferguson at Manchester United and Martin O'Neill at Aston Villa.

 

"We've got the best managers in the world here - English, Welsh, Irish and Scots. I'd never entertain a foreign manager for Wigan, and I don't think it's right that England have a foreign manager either.

 

"We are the home of football, for God's sake. I can't believe that we need foreign managers.

 

"I wouldn't go anywhere near one because I don't accept you must go abroad for your boss."

 

Whelan added: "It's just ridiculous that England have a foreign coach. Our results in the World Cup are good - but I don't think they'd be any worse if the FA had appointed an Englishman.

 

"The FA have this obsession with foreign managers and that isn't healthy for our game.

 

"Steve Bruce is too good for England - I am deadly serious.

 

"I accept that the FA have chosen Englishmen in the past who have not done the business. But are all of those failings down to the manager? "Some of them, yes, but I think you get a much harder time if you are an Englishman managing your country and things go a little bit wrong."

 

After rescuing the Lancashire club from relegation last season, Bruce has built a team that has taken Whelan to the verge of realising his dream of seeing Wigan play in Europe.

 

Whelan once rewarded his players with a trip to his holiday home in Barbados for keeping the club in the top-flight - and he'll start looking for flights again if the Latics beat fellow Europa Cup hopefuls Everton.

 

Whelan said: "I haven't promised the players anything yet, but if we get three points against Everton you can be sure I'll be straight on the case.

 

"I am going to Barbados in a few weeks and if qualifying for Europe looks likely I'll go to a few schools to see if they fancy having a few of our players over to take coaching sessions.

 

That'll keep the tax-man happy. It would be a major achievement if we qualified.

 

"We've seen English teams in the UEFA Cup this season who haven't fielded their strongest side because the Premier League is the be-all and end-all.

 

"We might only ever have one chance at Wigan to win a European trophy, and I'd like to see us give it our best shot."

[Tosh]

dave whelan just over a year ago:

 

 

Dave Whelan has blasted the Football Association for betraying the English game with the appointment of Fabio Capello - and has vowed that there will never be a foreign manager at Wigan.

 

"We might only ever have one chance at Wigan to win a European trophy, and I'd like to see us give it our best shot."

 

Who manages Wigan?

[John am Rhein]

Dave said;

 

On Capello: I always agreed that the best man for the job should get it even if he is foreign

 

On the players: Over paid bunch, they dont have the heart for the fight, they never give it all and it all rests at their door

 

On English managers: There are no good English managers and the FA should keep looking for the best man despite the nationalilty on his passport

 

On the Premier League: There is just the right amount in the league and the FA have no reason to look at it. We are in the EU and thats great for our league because the fact that we cant introduce quotas has advanced the game

 

every statement correct

 

that this tinpot tory tw*t is considered an expert spokesman largely sums up the english game and why england will never win a world cup ever again. even in north korea 2066 they'll still be talking about 100 years of hurt.

 

Germans are saying the curse on them has now been lifted

[Gilps]

Was Rory not actually taking the piss?

 

Whelan essentially said that the players were all brilliant, there must have been 'some problem' in the camp and that he'd never agreed with having a non English manager.

[brouhaha]

he was right on one thing- the FA are a bunch of amateurs that shouldn't be allowed near anything to do with football

[Hassony]

England's failure has nothing to do with the manager, it has everything to do with the youth setup/ coaching being at least 20 years behind the other top nations

[johngibo YPC]

Rory is taking the piss

He said the opposite of those things. He actually said he wouldn't blame the players at all

[Hassony]

Rory is taking the piss

He said the opposite of those things. He actually said he wouldn't blame the players at all

 

really?

 

wow

 

btw, Beckham is down to 16/1 to be the new england manager, he was around 50 a couple of days back

[John am Rhein]

England's failure has nothing to do with the manager, it has everything to do with the youth setup/ coaching being at least 20 years behind the other top nations

 

so it's now reached the level of the Portuguese and Dutch in the 80s?

[Des]

 

btw, Beckham is down to 16/1 to be the new england manager, he was around 50 a couple of days back

 

Would love it. LOVE IT. Won't happen though, even the FA aren't that mental.

[Stevie H]

Would love it. LOVE IT. Won't happen though, even the FA aren't that mental.

would be hilarious. and i wouldn't entirely rule out a shearer / beckham dream team.

 

though i reckon what harry redknapp wants from the FA harry redknapp gets.

[Tosh]

The same was being said on an Argentinian forum not that long ago

 

Maradonna is a decent figurehead - reckon he's the motivator and man they want to play for, while the henchmen behind him do all the tactical stuff... mind you, I reckon I get get a result out of that Argentine squad

[Epic Swindle]

England's failure has nothing to do with the manager, it has everything to do with the youth setup/ coaching being at least 20 years behind the other top nations

 

In a lot of cases yeah but everyone is content to ignore the elephant in the room that is the amount of foreigners that are now plying their trade in our league and youth systems. The Premier league is one of the biggest most attractive leagues in the world, and while we all want to see the very best players here who have undoubtedly improved our game, there's no doubt the national team will suffer because of the clubs' preference for looking abroad instead of developing their own.

 

There has to be a balance between wanting a hugely succesful, profitable league and a succesful national team, but the PL only care about profits, which should be trickling down to grass roots level. The whole thing is a mess and it'll take more than a few technical coaches at youth level to sort out.

Edited June 29, 2010 by Hansen

[Stevie H]

The same was being said on an Argentinian forum not that long ago

 

Maradonna is a decent figurehead - reckon he's the motivator and man they want to play for, while the henchmen behind him do all the tactical stuff... mind you, I reckon I get get a result out of that Argentine squad

argentina's players don't appear to have a trace of ego amongst them and play as a unit and for each other. getting england to play as a team appears to be like herding cats.

[Hassony]

The same was being said on an Argentinian forum not that long ago

 

Maradonna is a decent figurehead - reckon he's the motivator and man they want to play for, while the henchmen behind him do all the tactical stuff... mind you, I reckon I get get a result out of that Argentine squad

 

the Argentinian squad that struggling to qualify before appointing maradonna?

 

In a lot of cases yeah but everyone is content to ignore the elephant in the room that is the amount of foreigners that are now plying their trade in our league and youth systems. The Premier league is one of the biggest most attractive leagues in the world, and while we all want to see the very best players here who have undoubtedly improved our game, there's no doubt the national team will suffer because of the clubs' preference for looking abroad instead of developing their own.

 

There has to be a balance between wanting a hugely succesful, profitable league and a succesful national team, but the PL only care about profits, which should be trickling down to grass roots level. The whole thing is a mess and it'll take more than a few technical coaches at youth level to sort out.

 

it's not a few technical coaches at youth level, more a complete overhaul of the current system

 

What does Trevor Brooking do anyway? why not get someone like Houllier to carry out that job?

[Epic Swindle]

Brooking claims he's been pushing for a overhaul at youth level for a while but the FA weren't interested. If it's going to work both the FA and PL need to be on board, which doesn't seem likely. I thought he was a poor appointment to begin with anyway to be honest.

 

A lot of the clubs are doing the right thing and we have some great academies but I don't think the desire is really there at the top.

[Tosh]

In a lot of cases yeah but everyone is content to ignore the elephant in the room that is the amount of foreigners that are now plying their trade in our league and youth systems. The Premier league is one of the biggest most attractive leagues in the world, and while we all want to see the very best players here who have undoubtedly improved our game, there's no doubt the national team will suffer because of the clubs' preference for looking abroad instead of developing their own.

 

There has to be a balance between wanting a hugely succesful, profitable league and a succesful national team, but the PL only care about profits, which should be trickling down to grass roots level. The whole thing is a mess and it'll take more than a few technical coaches at youth level to sort out.

which is why the idea of a "b" team has an appeal - younger players can get a taste of regular football, and learn game skills. You know, like ball control (Barry).

[Hassony]

which is why the idea of a "b" team has an appeal - younger players can get a taste of regular football, and learn game skills. You know, like ball control (Barry).

 

England don't even pay that much importance to youth teams and under 21 teams

 

other countries take it much more seriously

[Cobs]

England don't even pay that much importance to youth teams and under 21 teams

 

other countries take it much more seriously

 

EXACTLY ! I mean - when was the last time England won the U-17 European Championships ?

[Epic Swindle]

which is why the idea of a "b" team has an appeal - younger players can get a taste of regular football, and learn game skills. You know, like ball control (Barry).

 

Yep. I think they get to reserve level and hit a wall because of the lack of competitive games at that level, and also because the first team squads are overflowing with a lot of dead wood from abroad and there just isn't the opportunites to develop them alongside better players, unless they're really special.

Edited June 29, 2010 by Hansen