At what point does supporting the team...

[WillG]

I originally posted this thread just over two years ago following the Klinsmann debacle, and the realisation that our owners were a par of ruthless f*ckers who had more love for a single solitary dollar profit than they do for our great club.

 

Following tonight's news that we 'may' be about to lose one of Europe's top managers, an absolute legend in Livepool's history... and still be stuck with these cancerous c*nts - can any true Liverpool supporter still give them ANY cash without facing some very simple facts?

 

* We're not supporting the team anymore - the simple fact is, we haven't been for some considerable time!

 

* Every pound we spend on tickets, merchandising, ANYTHING connected with Liverpool Footbal Club only strengthens their position - Rafa, the infrastrure, absolutely anything positive is being f*cked over to pay debts, and in turn increase future profit.

 

* We can sing more passionalety, and cleverly, than any supporters - but it's not gonna make Kyriagos, and the other bargain basement buys, anything more then they are - second-rate bargain basement buys!

 

 

Only a TOTAL boycott will suffice until these vermin move on.

 

 

PLEASE bear in mind the next time you take out your wallet for LFC... you're destroying the very thing you love.

[Cam]

If the fans don't get behind the team in the ground this coming season then we're looking at relegation.

 

Now, your argument may be "relegation versus saving the club". I'd say relegation would a) cement the demise of the club and b) there's no guarantee a boycott etc would drive the owners out.

 

(As things stand) there's going to be a bad vibe around the place come August... similar to Newcastle the season they went down. And Leeds. If the fans are not 100% positive and louder than they have been since The Last Stand then I think we're fecked. Basically, every game needs to be a re-enactment of halftime in Istanbul.

[Gunga Din]

nothing, absolutely nothing, will stop me going to support my team. if you wont support the team through the bad times, then, quite frankly, you are a spoilt bandwagon jumping wannabe, and the club are well rid.

[Gomez]

nothing, absolutely nothing, will stop me going to support my team. if you wont support the team through the bad times, then, quite frankly, you are a spoilt bandwagon jumping wannabe, and the club are well rid.

 

Is it a bird?

Noooooo

Is it a plane?

Noooooo

It's It's SUPERFAN!!

 

 

BTW, you are not 'supporting' your club by sponsoring G&H's systematic rape, you are just going to watch them.

There is a difference.

 

Just as those deciding that they can no longer stomach handing over hard earned cash to fund G&H buying OUR club are not turning their back on the club 'through the bad times'

 

You need to disassociate the financial commitment from the emotional one.

[Tones]

Boycotting the club to get rid of the c**** who are destroying it isnt bangwagon jumping ffs.

[Gunga Din]

Is it a bird?

Noooooo

Is it a plane?

Noooooo

It's It's SUPERFAN!!

 

 

BTW, you are not 'supporting' your club by sponsoring G&H's systematic rape, you are just going to watch them.

There is a difference.

 

Just as those deciding that they can no longer stomach handing over hard earned cash to fund G&H buying OUR club are not turning their back on the club 'through the bad times'

 

You need to disassociate the financial commitment from the emotional one.

 

you need to support the team.

 

oh, look at me, ive cancelled my e-ticket, i'm not buying my daughter a shirt, i'm going to drive them out myself, you f***ing blert. i've never had an e-ticket or whatever the f*** it is, i dont buy club merchandise anyway, what i do is turn up at the game and support my team, and thats not going to change, not now, not when they need it most, not if we were in the unibond regionals.

[WillG]

If the fans don't get behind the team in the ground this coming season then we're looking at relegation.

 

As bad as things may get we're not relegation fodder - YET!

 

Now, your argument may be "relegation versus saving the club". I'd say relegation would a) cement the demise of the club and b) there's no guarantee a boycott etc would drive the owners out.

 

Relegation - see above. But a real boycott would drive these c*nts out quicker than a quadruple dose of Exlax!

 

(As things stand) there's going to be a bad vibe around the place come August... similar to Newcastle the season they went down. And Leeds. If the fans are not 100% positive and louder than they have been since The Last Stand then I think we're fecked. Basically, every game needs to be a re-enactment of halftime in Istanbul.

 

There's been a bad vibe around for quite some time, we're talking about getting rid of a world class manager for f*cks sake... and 'a re-enactment of halftime in Instanbul' can no more turn water into wine, than it can inspire bargain basement players into a team of league winners.

Edited June 2, 2010 by WillG

[BG]

 

oh, look at me, ive cancelled my e-ticket, i'm not buying my daughter a shirt, i'm going to drive them out myself, you f***ing blert. i've never had an e-ticket or whatever the f*** it is, i dont buy club merchandise anyway, what i do is turn up at the game and support my team, and thats not going to change, not now, not when they need it most, not if we were in the unibond regionals.

 

"When I was in the leverage buy-out business we bought Weetabix and we leveraged it up to make our return. You could say that anyone who was eating Weetabix was paying for our purchase of Weetabix. It was just business. It is the same for Liverpool." Tom Hicks.

[impware]

nothing, absolutely nothing, will stop me going to support my team. if you wont support the team through the bad times, then, quite frankly, you are a spoilt bandwagon jumping wannabe, and the club are well rid.

 

In the past your heart would have been in the right place with that sentiment, but, the rules have changed. It's not because of a poor season on the pitch that people are questioning putting their cash into the club, it's exactly because Hicks is banking on that kind of 'brand loyalty' you express to keep the turnstiles spinning - no matter how much debt he can pile onto the club before he one day does a bunk with a tidy payoff, leaving us a smoldering wreck.

 

Spoilt bandwagon jumping wannabe? I don't think so.

[Gunga Din]

"When I was in the leverage buy-out business we bought Weetabix and we leveraged it up to make our return. You could say that anyone who was eating Weetabix was paying for our purchase of Weetabix. It was just business. It is the same for Liverpool." Tom Hicks.

 

"when i go to the game i go because i want to support the players on the park"

 

me

[Cam]

and 'a re-enactment of halftime in Instanbul' can no more turn water into wine, than it can inspire bargain basement players into a team of league winners.[/b]

"But a real boycott would drive these c*nts out quicker than a quadruple dose of Exlax!" Would? WOULD? I'd accept a could but a would! What guarantees do you have for that? It's a f*** of a gamble.

 

As for the above... if you believe thqt then what the f*** goes through your mind at the start of games? What's the actual point of you following Liverpool? It can't all be about decreasing the sale of hotdogs.

[BG]

"when i go to the game i go because i want to support the players on the park"

 

me

 

And make the owners richer at the expense of the future of the club while playing the superfan. Congratulations.

[WillG]

nothing, absolutely nothing, will stop me going to support my team. if you wont support the team through the bad times, then, quite frankly, you are a spoilt bandwagon jumping wannabe, and the club are well rid.

 

Listen, you and the tens of thousands that turn up week-in week-out are what make this club what it is.

 

But you have just accused someone that has supported the team since the 70's (emotionally & financially) of being "a spoilt bandwagon jumping wannabe, and the club are well rid" simply because I oppose the bare-faced, systematic rape of something that I love.

 

i'd love to have such a simple outlook on life, but it''s the blinkered "let's pay our money, sing even f*cking louder, and everything will be alright" mentality that those c*nts have factored into every profit projection they put in front of the RBS.

[Gunga Din]

Listen, you and the tens of thousands that turn up week-in week-out are what make this club what it is.

 

But you have just accused someone that has supported the team since the 70's (emotionally & financially) of being "a spoilt bandwagon jumping wannabe, and the club are well rid" simply because I oppose the bare-faced, systematic rape of something that I love.

 

i'd love to have such a simple outlook on life, but it''s the blinkered "let's pay our money, sing even f*cking louder, and everything will be alright" mentality that those c*nts have factored into every profit projection they put in front of the RBS.

 

yes, i have, because, and i dont want this to seem like coincidence, but we've been pretty successful in terms of almost every club in England and Europe since the 1970's. yes, we've had poor seasons, but we've not finished lower than 8th since 1961. now at the first sign of it all going to s*** and you are going to withdaw your support? well, quite frankly, that makes you spoilt and a bagonwagoner. if that f***s you off then good, because it should

[mally]

how many more of these s*** threads am i going to end up reading before we're sold and things get better?

[Redray]

how many more of these s*** threads am i going to end up reading before we're sold and things get better?

 

I'll wager quite a few.

 

Unless you pass away in the next five years of course.

[Jarg Armani]

I already don't give a s*** about the team. teams come and go, the way i see it we're either going to be mediocre and everyone's going to blame a succession of average managers, or we're going to be mediocre and everyone's going to be furious with the right people and try to change it.

 

The club has been rotten for years, but the downward spiral has been so fast since 2007 that we won't be in the league in 5 years time at this rate.

 

If going on the pitch to disrupt games, blockading the entrances or setting fire to purslow's head arrests this and puts pressure on our vampiric owners to sell up, then I'm all for it.

 

Some people are just desperate to be martyrs. really don't understand the attitude.

[WillG]

"But a real boycott would drive these c*nts out quicker than a quadruple dose of Exlax!" Would? WOULD? I'd accept a could but a would! What guarantees do you have for that? It's a f*** of a gamble.

 

Cam, I have no guarantees... but in my limited experience, if a businessman (one in considerable financial trouble) is confronted with the realisation that the adoring public are telling him to 'stick it up his ar*e' then he's left with little option but to do so.

 

We're not dealing with Abramovich-style finance here, we're dealing with a couple fo chancers who've got in too deep and are looking to get out with a tidy profit - it's time to turn the screw and stop financing the death of our own f*cking club!

 

As for the above... if you believe thqt then what the f*** goes through your mind at the start of games? What's the actual point of you following Liverpool? It can't all be about decreasing the sale of hotdogs.

 

I'll give you an example of what goes through my mind at the start of games. In the cold light of day I wouldn't have minded us losing to Chelsea if it stopped the Glams winning their 19th title - but as soon as the whistle went I wanted us to destoy them, I wanted Drogba to dive on the edge of the box... and fall into a firey pit of magma - I wanted Terry to go up for a header... and come down hard on a f*cking spike.

 

That's because I'm a Liverpool supporter and nothing's ever gonne be able to change that!

 

It doesn't mean I can sit back and condone what's happening at the moment, and while I understand those that insist on supporting the team at every game - they have to acknowledge that they are 'supporting' nothing but Hicks and Gillette.

 

[Gunga Din]

 

 

If going on the pitch to disrupt games, blockading the entrances or setting fire to purslow's head arrests this and puts pressure on our vampiric owners to sell up, then I'm all for it.

 

Some people are just desperate to be martyrs. really don't understand the attitude.

 

bit of a mad contradiction there, JARG

[WillG]

yes, i have, because, and i dont want this to seem like coincidence, but we've been pretty successful in terms of almost every club in England and Europe since the 1970's. yes, we've had poor seasons, but we've not finished lower than 8th since 1961. now at the first sign of it all going to s*** and you are going to withdaw your support? well, quite frankly, that makes you spoilt and a bagonwagoner. if that f***s you off then good, because it should

 

FFS, we've had many a poor season since 61 - none of which were deliberately instigated by the f*cking board!

 

The first signs of it "all going to s***" we're, as I pointed out in the first post, some two years ago... some might say as far back as the night of the Athens final - and if you think this is the first sign then you'd better f*cking wake up!

[Jarg Armani]

bit of a mad contradiction there, JARG

 

Nah it's not really.

 

Can't be bothered anyway, this feels a bit too important to get into a midweek internet argument about. Semantics and that.

[Stevie H]

when you use going to the match to support the team as a defence for excusing the systematic dismantling of the club off it by liars and frauds.

 

because for all your match-going commitment, in a couple of seasons you won't be watching the same club anyway. it'll be unrecognisable and you simply won't be supporting the same thing.

Edited June 3, 2010 by Stevie H

[David Hodgson]

when you use going to the match to support the team as a defence for excusing the systematic dismantling of the club off it by liars and frauds.

 

because for all your match-going commitment, in a couple of seasons you won't be watching the same club anyway. it'll be unrecognisable and you simply won't be supporting the same thing.

 

Within that time frame the club will be sold, so you're right.

[Stevie H]

Within that time frame the club will be sold, so you're right.

 

what's left of it might be.

[Murphman]

I originally posted this thread just over two years ago following the Klinsmann debacle, and the realisation that our owners were a par of ruthless f*ckers who had more love for a single solitary dollar profit than they do for our great club.

 

Following tonight's news that we 'may' be about to lose one of Europe's top managers, an absolute legend in Livepool's history... and still be stuck with these cancerous c*nts - can any true Liverpool supporter still give them ANY cash without facing some very simple facts?

 

* We're not supporting the team anymore - the simple fact is, we haven't been for some considerable time!

 

* Every pound we spend on tickets, merchandising, ANYTHING connected with Liverpool Footbal Club only strengthens their position - Rafa, the infrastrure, absolutely anything positive is being f*cked over to pay debts, and in turn increase future profit.

 

* We can sing more passionalety, and cleverly, than any supporters - but it's not gonna make Kyriagos, and the other bargain basement buys, anything more then they are - second-rate bargain basement buys!

 

 

Only a TOTAL boycott will suffice until these vermin move on.

 

 

PLEASE bear in mind the next time you take out your wallet for LFC... you're destroying the very thing you love.

 

 

You won't get a season ticket boycott and I understand that. apart from that I agree with every word, brilliant summation.