Rebuilding the club with Rafa

[David Hodgson]

We're all getting more pessimistic by the day, I think, about our prospects of getting properly taken over before next season starts. So what happens next ? What will Broughton (and f*cking Purslow) be seeing as a the short term (perhaps one season) strategy) ?

 

I think they may settle to the fact that it may be safer to keep Rafa at the helm, let the big names leave, but give the manager the bulk of what he brings in, in sales.

 

So for Rafa it could come down to Champ manager time. Here's (roughly) who I think he might shift and what money will come in :

 

Torres £65,000,000

Gerrard £35,000,000

Mascherano £27,000,000

Skrtel £6,000,000

Benayoun £7,000,000

Riera £6,000,000

Babel £10,000,000

Ngog £4,000,000

Spearing £1,000,000

Plessis £500,000

El Zhar £1,500,000

 

That's £163m worth of sales. Let's say he does a deal with Broughton whereby £30m of that goes back into the pot to help with the interest bill for one more year whilst they look for buyers. That leaves Rafa with £133m to rebuild. Could he put together a team from that capable of challenging for 3rd or 4th ?

 

I think the answer is potentially yes. If he works well in the market and gets his old mojo back it's do-able.

 

Here's his (my) fantasy (delusional ?)wish list :

 

Cahill £14,000.000

Martinez £18,000.000

Anelka zero

Joe Cole zero

Kenwynne Jones £13,000,000

Turan £13,000,000

Ashley Young £30,000,000,

Ireland £10,000,000

Jovanovic zero

Wilson £2m

 

That's £100m. The balance could go on another decent striker or left back, and contribute towards wage deals for Anelka and Cole.

 

 

Our first team might then look something like this :

 

---------------------------------------------------Reina

 

Johnson-----------------Carragher--------------------Cahill-----------------------Agger

 

Cole----------------------------Martinez---------------Ireland------------------------------Young

 

--------------------------------------------------Turan

 

-------------------------------------------------------Anelka

 

Subs : Kuyt, Jovanovic, Aquilani, Kenwynne Jones, Wilson, Kelly, Cavilieri

 

 

Motivated, gelled and with Rafa engendering a siege mentality (as the media totally write us off) I can see that squad doing well.

 

 

What do other readers think ?

[lawrie]

  On 16/05/2010 at 11:01, David Hodgson said:

We're all getting more pessimistic by the day, I think, about our prospects of getting properly taken over before next season starts. So what happens next ? What will Broughton (and f*cking Purslow) be seeing as a the short term (perhaps one season) strategy) ?

 

I think they may settle to the fact that it may be safer to keep Rafa at the helm, let the big names leave, but give the manager the bulk of what he brings in, in sales.

 

So for Rafa it could come down to Champ manager time. Here's (roughly) who I think he might shift and what money will come in :

 

Torres £65,000,000

Gerrard £35,000,000

Mascherano £27,000,000

Skrtel £6,000,000

Benayoun £7,000,000

Riera £6,000,000

Babel £10,000,000

Ngog £4,000,000

Spearing £1,000,000

Plessis £500,000

El Zhar £1,500,000

 

That's £163m worth of sales. Let's say he does a deal with Broughton whereby £30m of that goes back into the pot to help with the interest bill for one more year whilst they look for buyers. That leaves Rafa with £133m to rebuild. Could he put together a team from that capable of challenging for 3rd or 4th ?

 

I think the answer is potentially yes. If he works well in the market and gets his old mojo back it's do-able.

 

Here's his (my) fantasy (delusional ?)wish list :

 

Cahill £14,000.000

Martinez £18,000.000

Anelka zero

Joe Cole zero

Kenwynne Jones £13,000,000

Turan £13,000,000

Ashley Young £30,000,000,

Ireland £10,000,000

Jovanovic zero

Wilson £2m

 

That's £100m. The balance could go on another decent striker or left back, and contribute towards wage deals for Anelka and Cole.

 

 

Our first team might then look something like this :

 

---------------------------------------------------Reina

 

Johnson-----------------Carragher--------------------Cahill-----------------------Agger

 

Cole----------------------------Martinez---------------Ireland------------------------------Young

 

--------------------------------------------------Turan

 

-------------------------------------------------------Anelka

 

Subs : Kuyt, Jovanovic, Aquilani, Kenwynne Jones, Wilson, Kelly, Cavilieri

 

 

Motivated, gelled and with Rafa engendering a siege mentality (as the media totally write us off) I can see that squad doing well.

 

 

What do other readers think ?

 

I think you'd be barmy to pay £30m for Ashley Young

Edited May 16, 2010 by lawrie

[pipnasty]

http://www.ynwa.tv/forum/index.php?showtopic=149227

[Epic Swindle]

Not very realistic. I'd rather just keep the bulk of the squad together and off load the dregs. If Rafa wants to sell one of the big stars I think Masch is probably the most saleable asset who won't cause irreparable damage, maybe even Stevie if he's thinking of leaving.

[Sion]

This is the worst transfer post I think I ever read on here. It makes NYR look reasonable.

 

Sell Torres for £65m and use all that money to buy Ashley Young, Kenwynne Jones and Gary Cahill? Jesus Christ

[takanohana]

No offence but if that's a glass half full scenario, I'd hate to see your pessimistic view.

That's the most depressing post and team-sheet I've ever seen...

[Stevie H]

  On 16/05/2010 at 11:01, David Hodgson said:

We're all getting more pessimistic by the day, I think, about our prospects of getting properly taken over before next season starts. So what happens next ? What will Broughton (and f*cking Purslow) be seeing as a the short term (perhaps one season) strategy) ?

 

I think they may settle to the fact that it may be safer to keep Rafa at the helm, let the big names leave, but give the manager the bulk of what he brings in, in sales.

 

i think the thread stops there because if anything is certain to force the manager's hand and make him take one of the several offers he'll have this summer it's being told that he's got to sell his best players.

[Damian_de]

IMO if we raised £163M through sales Rafa'd see a hell of a lot less than £133M back in the transfer kitty, and that is the real danger of selling anyone, really.

 

Given the scenario... I do believe that for £133M he could build a side that would make the CL next season, yup. Has any side ever changed 7 first 11 players in a single summer?

[David Hodgson]

  On 16/05/2010 at 11:36, Stevie H said:

i think the thread stops there because if anything is certain to force the manager's hand and make him take one of the several offers he'll have this summer it's being told that he's got to sell his best players.

 

Fine,sack Rafa, get Woy Hodgson in.

 

We may well lose our big 3 players. What happens next ? Our new manager just curls into a ball and cries ?

 

  On 16/05/2010 at 11:53, Damian_de said:

IMO if we raised £163M through sales Rafa'd see a hell of a lot less than £133M back in the transfer kitty, and that is the real danger of selling anyone, really.

 

Given the scenario... I do believe that for £133M he could build a side that would make the CL next season, yup. Has any side ever changed 7 first 11 players in a single summer?

 

in 87 Kenny put Aldridge, Barnes, Beardsley and Houghton into the first team .

[Damian_de]

  On 16/05/2010 at 11:57, David Hodgson said:

in 87 Kenny put Aldridge, Barnes, Beardsley and Houghton into the first team .

Be nice to get players of that quality in

[surf]

someone needs to reboot hodgson or hit him with a hammer. sell torres, gerrard and masch?

he's gone mad

[Kite]

Certainly get a vivid sense of a lot of our players may want to go now. Perhaps the impending World Cup will benefit us by being a sufficient distraction to stop players sorting out their plans for a while, by which time maybe we'll know something more definite about the future of the club, be it new investment or holding tight for another year. But eleven players out, eleven players in is a frightening amount of change to a squad that was nearly there last season, especially with Rafa not being the best "man manager" etc.

[D.Boon]

I think you should put the computer down and go for a nice Sunday walk, you loon.

[David Hodgson]

  On 16/05/2010 at 12:05, surf said:

someone needs to reboot hodgson or hit him with a hammer. sell torres, gerrard and masch?

he's gone mad

 

For f*cks sake, in what universe does anyone think I'm advocating selling Torres and co ? I'm just saying that if the current stalemate continues we are going to lose them so we really need a plan B.

[Lark]

We have 20m transfer kitty which is to include contract extenstions.

 

i dont know if the sales of dossena and voronin cover the buys of wilson, shelvy or whether there fees have been taken from the 20m summer transfer kitty. I know reina has signed a contract extenstion, dont know of any other players. If the latter then i presume we have around 17m to spend this summer.

 

i presume that if we spend the entire 17m budget on two players and then for example rafa sells torres for 80m - we will be allowed to spend some of that torres sale money but no more than the 80m. For exanple We could buy players upto 20/30/40/60m quid but not the entire 80m and the money left over after purchases would immediately go to the existing debt, which i believe is something between 20 - 40m. The standard chartered deal kicks in this summer and we have a guarenteed additional 20m from over seas premiership rights. That might pay off the interest payments which might allow for a higher margin on player sales to be reinvested in the squad.

 

Thats my understanding of our finances based on the accounts and purslows comments to sos about the transfer kitty.

[Kite]

Does anyone know if the Standard Chartered deal had any kind of performance related aspect, eg will our not being in the CL affect the money being paid to us?

[pipnasty]

  On 16/05/2010 at 13:32, Lark said:

 

Thats my understanding of our finances based on the accounts and purslows comments to sos about the transfer kitty.

 

It is more than likely not true then.

[Benzo-13]

Knox's thread was less dramatic, more realistic and better.

[_00_deathscar]

  On 16/05/2010 at 13:53, Mr Kite said:

Does anyone know if the Standard Chartered deal had any kind of performance related aspect, eg will our not being in the CL affect the money being paid to us?

 

They'd be completely and utterly daft not to surely, even if it were a 'cert' such as such for Chelsea or Man Utd instead of us.

[Sion]

  On 16/05/2010 at 13:32, Lark said:

We have 20m transfer kitty which is to include contract extenstions.

 

i dont know if the sales of dossena and voronin cover the buys of wilson, shelvy or whether there fees have been taken from the 20m summer transfer kitty. I know reina has signed a contract extenstion, dont know of any other players. If the latter then i presume we have around 17m to spend this summer.

 

i presume that if we spend the entire 17m budget on two players and then for example rafa sells torres for 80m - we will be allowed to spend some of that torres sale money but no more than the 80m. For exanple We could buy players upto 20/30/40/60m quid but not the entire 80m and the money left over after purchases would immediately go to the existing debt, which i believe is something between 20 - 40m. The standard chartered deal kicks in this summer and we have a guarenteed additional 20m from over seas premiership rights. That might pay off the interest payments which might allow for a higher margin on player sales to be reinvested in the squad.

 

Thats my understanding of our finances based on the accounts and purslows comments to sos about the transfer kitty.

 

We'll be lucky if we get to spend what we sell. Purslow will go on about contracts and fees taking up 80% of the kitty.

 

  On 16/05/2010 at 13:53, Mr Kite said:

Does anyone know if the Standard Chartered deal had any kind of performance related aspect, eg will our not being in the CL affect the money being paid to us?

 

Yeah, think it had a CL clause.

[Kahnee]

  On 16/05/2010 at 11:57, David Hodgson said:

in 87 Kenny put Aldridge, Barnes, Beardsley and Houghton into the first team .

 

I'm not good at maths, but that's not 7 players. That's four.

 

  On 16/05/2010 at 14:01, Benzo-13 said:

Knox's thread was less dramatic, more realistic and better.

 

Buy Knox. Sell Hodgson.

[Rocheteau]

Wholesale changes are completely unnecessary, smack of desperation and the psychology of which would have unintended consequences

 

Its actually not a bad squad, what it lacks is confidence consistency and maybe a different direction

 

Replace anyone who needs to go and strengthen the left back and striker options but beyond that we are more than capable of being a top four side

[Kahnee]

  On 16/05/2010 at 14:23, ChaoticPrimate said:

Wholesale changes are completely unnecessary, smack of desperation and the psychology of which would have unintended consequences

 

Its actually not a bad squad, what it lacks is confidence consistency and maybe a different direction

 

Replace anyone who needs to go and strengthen the left back and striker options but beyond that we are more than capable of being a top four side

 

This is no place for reasoned debate and common sense. We're sub-League 1, need to sell everyone down to and including the groundsman and stewards, and with the £4.72 left after paying the banks we'll buy Messi, Ronaldo, Drogba, Zlatan, Alonso, Hyypia, Banks, Styles, both Charltons, King Kenny, Rush and the Tooth Fairy.

 

Then, and only then, can we start our assault on the Conference

[Beardsley]

It lacks more than confidence, it lacks speed and that is down to Rafa's buying policy.

[Kahnee]

  On 16/05/2010 at 14:30, Beardsley said:

It lacks more than confidence, it lacks speed and that is down to Rafa's buying policy.

 

We lacked speed last season, didn't do us much harm