Yet another 'Intersting' referee appointment

[Red Kent]

Phil Dowd, not done us since Reading, and I mean DONE us.

[Sir Tokyo Sexwale]

At least it's not Mariner or Webb.

 

Or Bennett

 

 

c**** all

[muleskinner]

We were s**** and deserved to lose that game.

[Andy-oh-six]

I won't let him be slagged off. Not on my watch.

[Benzo-13]

Where's Clattenberg this season??

We've not had him once but we get that pig looking tubby c*** a pile of times.

[Zoob]

Basically, if I know the ref's name, I know he's likely to be crap. The only exception to this is Wiley, (who was crap last time he reffed us). It's the refs whose names aren't familiar that seem to just do their job, rather than making sure that everyone knows who they are

[anfield11]

Phil Dowd, not done us since Reading, and I mean DONE us.

 

 

Yikes!!!!! Him and Fat Head Bruce....we're fecked!!

[baz2107]

I'm relieved when I read the thread I thought it was going to be Mason

my order of worst refs are

 

1) Mason

2) Bennett

3) Webb

4) Mariner

5) Dowd

[Hassony]

you forgot Martin Atkinson who seems to think that torres raped one of his daughters or something

 

 

[goose island]

Where's Clattenberg this season??

We've not had him once but we get that pig looking tubby c*** a pile of times.

 

 

have we ever had clattenburg since "that" derby game? maybe dignity dave had a word. he does do a lot of work for the lma, is british etc etc

[Falconhoof]

I find it hard to get involved in these referee discussions. I must be making a subconsious decision to pay the refs much attention. Must come from growing up in footy circles where you didn't really know the refs name or see them so much at the centre of discussion about footy. Yes, they've always been derided but not discussed like celebrities or pantomime villains like they are today.

 

Its all s*** nowadays and I can't get on board. Am I missing out, do I need to know my Clattenburgs from my Mariners?

[Cobs]

 

Its all s*** nowadays and I can't get on board. Am I missing out, do I need to know my Clattenburgs from my Mariners?

 

tHEy aLL hATe Us

 

is all you need to know

[D.Boon]

I find it hard to get involved in these referee discussions. I must be making a subconsious decision to pay the refs much attention. Must come from growing up in footy circles where you didn't really know the refs name or see them so much at the centre of discussion about footy. Yes, they've always been derided but not discussed like celebrities or pantomime villains like they are today.

 

Its all s*** nowadays and I can't get on board. Am I missing out, do I need to know my Clattenburgs from my Mariners?

 

I'm with you. Most of the time it seems people are just either getting their excuses in early or joining in a good old fashioned bit of hand wringing at how hard done by we are.

[Gunga Din]

I'm with you. Most of the time it seems people are just either getting their excuses in early or joining in a good old fashioned bit of hand wringing at how hard done by we are.

 

 

its ridiculous isnt it. the most embarrassing thread on this forum is the one detailing every decision that has gone against us this season.

 

never a mention of all the decisions that go for us. Carragher has probably committed about 20 fouls in teh box this season, the vast majority going unpunished, yet as soon as we get a pen given against us its a big conspiracy. small time and a f***ing embarrassment.

[Andy @ Allerton]

I'm relieved when I read the thread I thought it was going to be Mason

my order of worst refs are

 

1) Mason

2) Bennett

3) Webb

4) Mariner

5) Dowd

 

 

Can't disagree with that. Not many even partially decent referees about.

[MarkD]

Can't disagree with that. Not many even partially decent referees about.

 

Most referees are poor in the way that they officiate a game and even their unbderstanding of their own rules but I don't think they are corrupt or particularly favour one side over another.

 

I saw the 'Webb' thread and yet I'm sure it was him who did not give Defoe's 'goal' at Anfield when it should have stood - yet no mention of our benefit from him there.

 

It is small time to harp on about "which ref "and what refs do when we are failing to the basics in most games ourselves.

[baz2107]

 

I saw the 'Webb' thread and yet I'm sure it was him who did not give Defoe's 'goal' at Anfield when it should have stood - yet no mention of our benefit from him there.

 

 

except for the fact that he was offside and he fouled Reina there was nothing wrong with that goal!! disgraceful decision by Webb!

[Epic Swindle]

Webb is our Clive Thomas.

[MarkD]

except for the fact that he was offside and he fouled Reina there was nothing wrong with that goal!! disgraceful decision by Webb!

 

In my view, it was a goal not given and we could argue about the 'second phase of play' aspect of the offside and if there was a fould - I did not think so. My point being, spurs will see him as pro-us over that incident and it would have been as easy for him to justify giving the goal as not as both points you raise are debatable.

[CarraLegend]

 

I saw the 'Webb' thread and yet I'm sure it was him who did not give Defoe's 'goal' at Anfield when it should have stood - yet no mention of our benefit from him there.

 

 

f***ing hell, are you serious?

[MarkD]

f***ing hell, are you serious?

 

I am yes because both aspectsof the goal (offside or not/actual contact or not) were things he could have given against us not in our favour if he had been so inclined. I'd say that had we been the team putting the ball in the net we'd have argued it was a goal based on the fact that it could be called 'second phase' after The Greek passed it back and the contact on Reina was minimal.

[Andy @ Allerton]

Most referees are poor in the way that they officiate a game and even their unbderstanding of their own rules but I don't think they are corrupt or particularly favour one side over another.

 

I saw the 'Webb' thread and yet I'm sure it was him who did not give Defoe's 'goal' at Anfield when it should have stood - yet no mention of our benefit from him there.

 

It is small time to harp on about "which ref "and what refs do when we are failing to the basics in most games ourselves.

 

 

We have had 5 or 6 terrible decisions go for us this season so far. Perhaps a few more. But we've had well over 20 go 'against' us thus far.

 

I think you'd be hard put to find 20 major decisions going 'against' Manchester United any given term. To suggest they aren't favoured by referees is nuts.

 

I was at that game by the way, and it happened right in front of my Season Ticket seat. He was offiside, was flagged immediately as such and as soon as the ref noticed he correctly gave the offside. It was as clear as day. As soon as he started running back, he became 'active' and was flagged. Not bloody rocket science is it?

 

I am yes because both aspectsof the goal (offside or not/actual contact or not) were things he could have given against us not in our favour if he had been so inclined. I'd say that had we been the team putting the ball in the net we'd have argued it was a goal based on the fact that it could be called 'second phase' after The Greek passed it back and the contact on Reina was minimal.

 

 

The contact was irrelevant the linesman had (correctly) flagged for offside as soon as he became active.

 

I admit on television because of the angle and the view they showed that it wasn't conclusive. At the game, right in front of me, it was crystal clear.

 

You appear to be grasping at straws to support your flawed argument.

Edited March 26, 2010 by The Angry Moose

[MarkD]

We have had 5 or 6 terrible decisions go for us this season so far. Perhaps a few more. But we've had well over 20 go 'against' us thus far.

 

I think you'd be hard put to find 20 major decisions going 'against' Manchester United any given term. To suggest they aren't favoured by referees is nuts.

 

I don't doubt you can list them all (those "against "us as you put it) but so can others? I don't obssess with what Manchester United get or don't get nor do I watch tme often enough to comment freely other than when we play them. I'm sure other team feel we benefit when we play them - Everton do this regularly and we laugh at the for it.

[Zoob]

Most referees are poor in the way that they officiate a game and even their unbderstanding of their own rules but I don't think they are corrupt or particularly favour one side over another.

 

I saw the 'Webb' thread and yet I'm sure it was him who did not give Defoe's 'goal' at Anfield when it should have stood - yet no mention of our benefit from him there.

 

It is small time to harp on about "which ref "and what refs do when we are failing to the basics in most games ourselves.

 

I don't think there's anyone on here who isn't acutely aware that the main reason we are where we currently are, is because we've failed so badly in terms of the basics of our play - defending, passing, movement etc. I think the majority on here also feel that Rafa has made mistakes this season - over-cautious team selections and tactics, which have also cost us. These are the main reasons for our failures this season. But there are other contributory factors, and the number of horrendous refereeing decisions that have gone against us, is one of these. Last season we didn't have as many bad decisions (but we still had a few), but because we weren't so utterly crap, they didn't have the same impact as this season. But this doesn't negate the impact they've had this season.

 

Mentioning the Defoe disallowed goal is a straw man argument, as it was a straight-forward decision, due to being offside and then fouling Reina. It's not as if refs making correct decisions (which is what they're paid to do) somehow cancels out the bad decisions they've made.

 

Most referees are poor in the way that they officiate a game and even their unbderstanding of their own rules but I don't think they are corrupt or particularly favour one side over another.

 

Yes, refs don't favour the Mancs at all. phantom injury time, dodgy penalties, Rooney getting away with everything, Vidic not being sent off for the clearest professional foul you'll see (and hence escaping a 2 game ban)

 

 

its ridiculous isnt it. the most embarrassing thread on this forum is the one detailing every decision that has gone against us this season.

 

never a mention of all the decisions that go for us. Carragher has probably committed about 20 fouls in teh box this season, the vast majority going unpunished, yet as soon as we get a pen given against us its a big conspiracy. small time and a f***ing embarrassment.

 

I find this a bit disingenuous. I think Carragher was lucky not to be sent off at Anfield against the Mancs, and N'gog dived to win a pen against Birmingham (and these have been mentioned in the thread you refer to). But to vaguely say Carragher should have conceded 20 pens this season, and this somehow balances up the more clearly barmy decisions that have gone against us.... doesn't really work for me. And it's not as if people have claimed conspiracy for the pens we conceded against Villa, Blackburn or West Ham, because we can all see that they were straightforward pens. But when United get awarded a pen for a foul outside the box (by the same ref who gave them a dodgy pen vs spurs last season that quite possibly won them the league), or when Dowd rightly awards a pen to Reading for a Benayoun foul, and then books our player for diving when a similar foul is committed, I think it's understandable for people to get pissed off. And I can't remember a season where we've had so many clear cut pens denied to us. Specific instances - not the sort borderline risky fouls that Carragher (and indeed most centre backs) get away with most of the time.

 

As I said above - our bad play and our tactics are the main reason why we're in our crap position, but this doesn't mean we should just grin and bare it, and not even rant when we have clearly had far, far more key decisions go against us than for us this season.

[Hassony]

even Redknapp and the spurs players didn't complain too much about the defoe goal, it was only Andy Grey going on and on and on about it that it became an issue