Takeover thread

[Maldini]

Just on Sky News there, apparently it's in the NOTW tomorrow. I'll believe it when I see it. Another crowd coming in to take money out of the club and the yanks staying on, not my ideal scenario to be honest.

[floyd]

that's great. Another buch of fvckin leveraged buyout cvnts (if it's true)

[CarraLegend]

Will be b******s like every takeover/investment story with us is. But not good if it was true.

[Epic Swindle]

Does that dilute the American's partnership and give this group a controlling stake? They're not football people regardless, although as long as they back the manager and don't intefere with that side of things it shouldn't be a problem. At the end of the day it all comes down to who is willing to spend money.

[Hodgson for Chelsea]

Overview: Specialise in mergers and acquisitions, leveraged buyouts, recapitalization and partnerships with particular focus on European and Trans- Atlantic investments. Rhône is headquartered in New York, and has offices in both London and Paris. Rhône Group was established in 1997 and has been under its present ownership since. It is a private company which has been owned and managed by Robert F. Agostinelli and M. Steven Langman since inception.

 

So they're bringing in some mates to get them out of the sh*t

[Sion]

sounds like a potential clusterf***

 

more people who are just in it for a quick profit. great newsssss

[aka Dus]

At least they are up front about what they do and who they are.

 

9 out of 10 of every other likely owner will be intent on doing the same thing. Get used to it - unless you are prepared to agitate for a different ownership model that includes fans.

[Superjay]

These two boys are former Goldman Sachs men. Oh Joy!!

[Sion]

At least they are up front about what they do and who they are.

 

9 out of 10 of every other likely owner will be intent on doing the same thing. Get used to it - unless you are prepared to agitate for a different ownership model that includes fans.

 

is it too much to ask for some owners who, failing an actual emotional attachment to the club, have an understanding of it's history and traditions? I don't think so

Or owners who have a plan that doesn't involve spending money that isn't theirs with a view to using the club to make them money?

[CarraLegend]

At least they are up front about what they do and who they are.

 

 

Well thats ace then!

 

Retro Red on the rattle has been talking about Rhone and Muse this week and its pretty harrowing reading, the last thing we need is more scumbags involved. It once again puts into perspective how petty all this whinging about Rafa is, he really is the least of our worries.

[Keita]

Wasn't Rhone along with Muse the ones with Hicks that tried to destroy the Corinthians.

[Superjay]

Wasn't Rhone along with Muse the ones with Hicks that tried to destroy the Corinthians.

 

Nothing to do with that but they do seem to be similar to the muse shower. he other company involved with Corinthians was Tate.

Edited March 13, 2010 by Superjay

[aka Dus]

is it too much to ask for some owners who, failing an actual emotional attachment to the club, have an understanding of it's history and traditions? I don't think so

Or owners who have a plan that doesn't involve spending money that isn't theirs with a view to using the club to make them money?

 

Yeah mate, an individual or company who are not fans but think like fans and have no interest in getting a return on the investment required to acquire the club? Yeah, I think it is too much to ask, especially now at the bottom of the global recessionary cycle.

 

Not being patronising, I just think that as fans we project an unrealistic set of hopes and expectations on these people. They aren't fans, the fans who did own the club sold it using the same set of hopes you've used above.

 

The way to achieve the above? Have the fans actually own the club as a memebership, like in Germany, Spain......

[Sion]

Yeah mate, an individual or company who are not fans but think like fans and have no interest in getting a return on the investment required to acquire the club? Yeah, I think it is too much to ask, especially now at the bottom of the global recessionary cycle.

 

 

 

 

Well I didn't say that did I. Look at Randy Lerner at Villa for an example of what I meant.

Not being patronising

you're trying to be

 

I just think that as fans we project an unrealistic set of hopes and expectations on these people. They aren't fans, the fans who did own the club sold it using the same set of hopes you've used above.

 

who are we putting hopes and expectations on? I fully expect us some utter knob group to buy 40% of us in the summer and make things worse as do most fans.

 

The way to achieve the above? Have the fans actually own the club as a memebership, like in Germany, Spain......

I agree completely. Shareliverpool should be looking at buying the 40%. The money could easily be raised. But you've got the catch22 problem then haven't you.

[Zoob]

Does that dilute the American's partnership and give this group a controlling stake? They're not football people regardless, although as long as they back the manager and don't intefere with that side of things it shouldn't be a problem. At the end of the day it all comes down to who is willing to spend money.

 

40% isn't a controlling stake, although it could make them the biggest shareholder (assuming G+H both sold an equal proportion). Having 3 different owners, none with 51% would most likely just lead to even more gridlock. Also possible (speculation on my part) that the entire could be coming from Gillett, since he seems more eager to get out, but keeping 10% could earn him nicely if he's still around in 10 years.

[aka Dus]

Well I didn't say that did I. Look at Randy Lerner at Villa for an example of what I meant.

 

you're trying to be

 

 

 

who are we putting hopes and expectations on? I fully expect us some utter knob group to buy 40% of us in the summer and make things worse as do most fans.

 

 

I agree completely. Shareliverpool should be looking at buying the 40%. The money could easily be raised. But you've got the catch22 problem then haven't you.

 

I am not trying to be patronising in the slightest, your hackles just go up ridiculously quickly.

 

Your hopes and expectations are laid out pretty clearly in the post you made above. And I am respectfully pointing out that they are pie in the sky and the general hope of the fanbase, that a white knight will ride to our rescue (one of SOS' central mission statements I believe) is fantasy that serves us poorly.

[Keita]

40% isn't a controlling stake, although it could make them the biggest shareholder (assuming G+H both sold an equal proportion). Having 3 different owners, none with 51% would most likely just lead to even more gridlock. Also possible (speculation on my part) that the entire could be coming from Gillett, since he seems more eager to get out, but keeping 10% could earn him nicely if he's still around in 10 years.

 

40% isn't a controlling stake? surely it is, leavin 30% each for G&H, unless them two join forces.

[Hodgson for Chelsea]

The thing is...until every Liverpool fan registers with Share Liverpool and SOS, who are, even if you don't like them, the established groups to oust the owners....this will continue to happen.

 

I'm totally behind any group wanting to take action, even if I don't 100% agree with the methods. Every Liverpool fan should be.

[Sion]

40% isn't a controlling stake? surely it is, leavin 30% each for G&H, unless them two join forces.

 

controlling stake means they can't be outvoted doesn't it? so it has to be at least 51%...if they only have 40% they can be ganged up on.

[aka Dus]

The thing is...until every Liverpool fan registers with Share Liverpool and SOS, who are, even if you don't like them, the established groups to oust the owners....this will continue to happen.

 

I'm totally behind any group wanting to take action, even if I don't 100% agree with the methods. Every Liverpool fan should be.

 

I think that has to be the way forward.

[Zoob]

controlling stake means they can't be outvoted doesn't it? so it has to be at least 51%...if they only have 40% they can be ganged up on.

 

Exactly - and as I mentioned, there's no guarantee that the 40% would represent 20% from each of the leeching fekers.

[MFletcher]

When people think that investment is going to come, they have to remember that this sort of group is the likely source of that investment. It isn't going to be a DIC, it certainly isn't going to be an Abramovich, so it's about time we accepted that we're a cash cow for some c*** of an investor who is more interested in money than trophies.

 

It's about time we nationalised all league clubs and issued shares to fans - one at a time - to get the money back.

[Benzo-13]

This is bad.

We need an Istanbul homecoming type show of strength to save us.

[Sion]

We need some of the probable tens of thousands of liverpool fans in the high-end financial sector of this country to use their expertise like MUST has, it's all too amateur at the moment. G&H are seeking investment, meaning it should be a lot easier to do than what MUST are planning.

[MFletcher]

The other consideration is that, as price falls, we fall into the price range of other investors with similar ideas to this.

 

We're f***ed, basically. The sooner this is accepted the better. And before anyone whinges about it, unless people stop going to the game itself - en masse - then nothing of note can be done.

Edited March 14, 2010 by MFletcher