Brian Reade

[Bromage]

Calls are growing to appoint Kenny Dalglish and Phil Thompson as the managerial team to drag Liverpool out of the mire.

 

But surely there are two former-players who are far better-equipped: Ronnie Whelan and Graeme Souness. Coaching geniuses whose records dwarf Champions League, UEFA Cup, FA Cup and double La Liga winner Rafa Benitez, leaving them eminently qualified to denigrate the Spaniard.

 

Who can forget Whelan's hugely-successful spell at Southend, when in 1996-7 he managed to win a staggering eight times in 46 league games, thus ensuring the first of their successive relegations to the bottom division, plus his own sacking?

 

And Souness, whose 36 wins in 83 at Newcastle set him on course for the JobCentre and the Toon on course for the Championship.

 

But the Anfield chiefs must act quick. After all it's been four years since Souness, and eight years since Whelan, were last employed as managers.

 

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[Tones]

Whelan is a t**. Good to see someone poiting out he is in no position to be criticising managers.

[Gunga Din]

Calls are growing to appoint Kenny Dalglish and Phil Thompson as the managerial team to drag Liverpool out of the mire.

 

But surely there are two former-players who are far better-equipped: Ronnie Whelan and Graeme Souness. Coaching geniuses whose records dwarf Champions League, UEFA Cup, FA Cup and double La Liga winner Rafa Benitez, leaving them eminently qualified to denigrate the Spaniard.

 

Who can forget Whelan's hugely-successful spell at Southend, when in 1996-7 he managed to win a staggering eight times in 46 league games, thus ensuring the first of their successive relegations to the bottom division, plus his own sacking?

 

And Souness, whose 36 wins in 83 at Newcastle set him on course for the JobCentre and the Toon on course for the Championship.

 

But the Anfield chiefs must act quick. After all it's been four years since Souness, and eight years since Whelan, were last employed as managers.

 

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I think Both Whelan and Souness have the clubs best interests at heart. there are plenty of fans who have never even played an 11 aside match who think along the same lines as those two. I'm not saying i agree with their opinions, but they have every right to express them. This complete dismissal of everyone who isnt staunchly Pro Rafa in the media is a nonsense

[Bromage]

I think Both Whelan and Souness have the clubs best interests at heart. there are plenty of fans who have never even played an 11 aside match who think along the same lines as those two. I'm not saying i agree with their opinions, but they have every right to express them. This complete dismissal of everyone who isnt staunchly Pro Rafa in the media is a nonsense

 

Can't disagree with that but I think their views need to be presented with balance and the problem is that Sky don't want to do that. They are both players I admire for their achievements with the club but their views are something different; their coaching expertise is at best questionable and so they join a list of fans who believe "bad run = sack the manager" and therefore have no credibility at all, IMHO of course.

[Gunga Din]

Whelan is a t**. Good to see someone poiting out he is in no position to be criticising managers.

 

 

so who is then? are the fans in no position to criticise managers? what about players? are fans not in a position to criticise players? after all, i doubt very many people on these boards have ever played a sufficiently high standard of football to have the right to criticise premier league players?

 

Can't disagree with that but I think their views need to be presented with balance and the problem is that Sky don't want to do that. They are both players I admire for their achievements with the club but their views are something different; their coaching expertise is at best questionable and so they join a list of fans who believe "bad run = sack the manager" and therefore have no credibility at all, IMHO of course.

 

 

Souness has won more league titles as a manager than Rafa

[Rich Gobey]

I think Both Whelan and Souness have the clubs best interests at heart. there are plenty of fans who have never even played an 11 aside match who think along the same lines as those two. I'm not saying i agree with their opinions, but they have every right to express them. This complete dismissal of everyone who isnt staunchly Pro Rafa in the media is a nonsense

 

Utter b******s.

 

The media in the country is almost entirely anti-Rafa, it's no wonder that people feel the need to defend him. Every friday evening on 5Live Colin Murrey has a show where for an hour the stick the boot in to Rafa, has theis ever happened to the manager of another club? I cant remember it being so.

 

Why are you so concerned with other peoples opinions? Who made you the arbitor of anything?

[Red Kent]

My hatred for Souness is starting to fade over the years as he clearly still loves our club. Whelan though I believe is still bitter he never got to play for his beloved Man United. I don't like Whelan.

[Redray]

I think Both Whelan and Souness have the clubs best interests at heart. there are plenty of fans who have never even played an 11 aside match who think along the same lines as those two. I'm not saying i agree with their opinions, but they have every right to express them. This complete dismissal of everyone who isnt staunchly Pro Rafa in the media is a nonsense

 

Of course he has his right to his own opinion. Just like I have a right to my opinion of him, which is that he is a moron.

 

It's the fact that his outbursts are ill conceived; shallow and slightly warped that is the problem.

 

When Rafa took off Torres against Fulham to save him for the CL midweek match in November Whelan said; "He wants to win the European Cup so he can get a job in Europe. For me, his days have got to be numbered at Liverpool."

 

His pathetic record as a manager is a relevant consideration in considering how much weight should be attached to his opinion on another manager's aptitude.

Edited January 16, 2010 by Redray

[Gunga Din]

Utter b******s.

 

The media in the country is almost entirely anti-Rafa, it's no wonder that people feel the need to defend him. Every friday evening on 5Live Colin Murrey has a show where for an hour the stick the boot in to Rafa, has theis ever happened to the manager of another club? I cant remember it being so.

 

Why are you so concerned with other peoples opinions? Who made you the arbitor of anything?

 

 

good God man, get a grip. who is to say they are wrong about Rafa? he is currently presiding over the worst run of form by a Liverpool team in half a century.

 

People are perfectly entitled to stick the boot in.

 

when the media stick the boot into Ginsoak, everyone on here laps it up. its teh nature of the beast.

[Billy Dane]

It seems to frustrate the life out of the media that Liverpool fans as a whole haven't turned on Rafa and are still behind him. That seems to drive their bitterness towards Rafa to even greater heights. When I hear/read the agenda driven bile they come out with it does tend to make me ignore the misgivings I have myself about Rafa.

[Bromage]

 

Souness has won more league titles as a manager than Rafa

 

LOL, can't deny that! However it's interesting that they were all in a 2 team, third rate (with all due respect) league and the biggest budget by far. Doesn't that start to highlight the problem?

[Tones]

It seems to frustrate the life out of the media that Liverpool fans as a whole haven't turned on Rafa and are still behind him. That seems to drive their bitterness towards Rafa to even greater heights. When I hear/read the agenda driven bile they come out with it does tend to make me ignore the misgivings I have myself about Rafa.

 

They are desperate for Liverpool fans to turn against him.

[Gunga Din]

It seems to frustrate the life out of the media that Liverpool fans as a whole haven't turned on Rafa and are still behind him. That seems to drive their bitterness towards Rafa to even greater heights. When I hear/read the agenda driven bile they come out with it does tend to make me ignore the misgivings I have myself about Rafa.

 

 

i'm the same to be honest, i dont like the media having a go at Rafa or the team, but i can completely understand why they say what they do

 

LOL, can't deny that! However it's interesting that they were all in a 2 team, third rate (with all due respect) league and the biggest budget by far. Doesn't that start to highlight the problem?

 

 

still got to win them. and tho be fair to Souness, he totally transformed Rangers.

 

f***ed up badly here as manager, but he loves this football club. i spoke to him for about an hour in an airport lounge a few years back, and he still cares passionately about the club, and still refers to the club as "we"

[Earl Hafler]

i'm the same to be honest, i dont like the media having a go at Rafa or the team, but i can completely understand why they say what they do

 

 

I dunno. Even in the Metro this week they've been repeatedly laying the boot in for the loss to Reading - a far worse reaction than the Mancs losing at home to Leeds.

[Bromage]

i'm the same to be honest, i dont like the media having a go at Rafa or the team, but i can completely understand why they say what they do

 

I can completely understand it too but I don't think it has anything to do with the best interests of our club, which was my original point. Let's muse over who the guest pundits are today;

 

i) Guus Hiddink?

ii) Graeme Souness?

iii) Ronnie Whelan?

iv) Jamie Redknapp?

v) Klinsmann?

 

I can hardly wait............

[Jarg Armani]

I don't think Souness has said much different to Molby really, it's just that we like Molby and hate Souness.

 

Both of them pretty much speaking the truth from what I've seen, the papers will always spin it as an attack purely on the manager though because that's been their story almost since the day he was appointed.

 

Whelan is a total thick as pigs*** nonce.

[Gunga Din]

I can completely understand it too but I don't think it has anything to do with the best interests of our club, which was my original point. Let's muse over who the guest pundits are today;

 

i) Guus Hiddink?

ii) Graeme Souness?

iii) Ronnie Whelan?

iv) Jamie Redknapp?

v) Klinsmann?

 

I can hardly wait............

 

 

Sky are doing what the tabloids do. Souness generally sticks up for us on Sky, the others, i have never seen on sky but cant comment, but i dont agree with what Redknapp says 99%, and i'm happy just to ignore them

[Stevie H]

don't know the exact numbers but i imagine we still have the highest number of ex-players working in the media today, and the way in which they make a living is to do what their employer(s) want them to, which is create headlines. sky sports is the fox news of sports broadcasting, it has no interest in being fair and balanced.

[cymrococh]

I think Both Whelan and Souness have the clubs best interests at heart. there are plenty of fans who have never even played an 11 aside match who think along the same lines as those two. I'm not saying i agree with their opinions, but they have every right to express them. This complete dismissal of everyone who isnt staunchly Pro Rafa in the media is a nonsense

Souness and his heart can f*ck off.

[Knoxy]

My hatred for Souness is starting to fade over the years as he clearly still loves our club. Whelan though I believe is still bitter he never got to play for his beloved Man United. I don't like Whelan.

 

Agree

 

Not sure about the Manc thing, but Whelan's a typical rent-a-quote g******e

[Bailo]

when the media stick the boot into Ginsoak, everyone on here laps it up. its teh nature of the beast.

But they don't, despite having a lot more to go on.

[Frosty Jack]

Whelen is a complete idiot. Souness does probably have the clubs interest at heart but his managerial record is shocking and he should be mindful of that while criticizing a more successful and far superior one.

[Davvo]

If the rules are that you can only criticise someone, when you've been more successful than them in the relevant field, then there'd be next to f*** all critics. *

 

If you've managed for a decent spell at any level, then you're qualified to speak out about managers, if you've played for a decent spell at any level, then you can speak out about players. Of course I'm referring here to professional critics, ie employed to give an opinion on their specialised subject. For fans, the rules would be different, if you pay your money you can take your shot.

 

When we constantly slag off those who speak against Liverpool, and conversely praise those who speak up for us, it doesn't paint us in a particularly good light to be honest. If you want to take the praise, then you have to accept the criticism, even from t*** like Whelan.

 

 

*not such a bad thing in all honesty. I've made a point of trying to avoid pre and post match s**** talking, it's the easiest way to remain sane.

 

edit. and any c*** slagging off Souness can just f*** off quite frankly. there was a spell where through misunderstanding and poor judgement you could have slagged him off, but that passed by a long, long time ago. He's more of a red than those t***s who are calling him, no doubt.

Edited January 16, 2010 by Davvo

[CarraLegend]

Yer wha?!

[Jarg Armani]

any c*** slagging off Souness can just f*** off quite frankly. there was a spell where through misunderstanding and poor judgement you could have slagged him off, but that passed by a long, long time ago. He's more of a red than those t***s who are calling him, no doubt.

 

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IS HE FUUUUUCK!