Stevie H Posted December 19, 2009 Posted December 19, 2009 ok, can anyone make a sensible case for how any new manager would get more out of this batch of players we have. whether it's hiddink, klinsmann, mancini (it isn't going to be mourinho), what would a new man do with this squad of players to get more out of them, given that we're clearly underperforming and morale is obviously utterly f***ed. genuine theories and explanations please, let's keep it constructive without flaming etc.
Beardsley Posted December 19, 2009 Posted December 19, 2009 Tommo would make them realize they are priviledged to play for the greatest club in the galaxy. I'm pretty sure he would install some belief and an urge go give it all.
Mr. Biscan Posted December 19, 2009 Posted December 19, 2009 We need a new outlook, a new approach, a new slant on things and new ideas. So for that reason, I will take anyone out of Hiddink, Rijkaard, King Kenny, Thommo, Mourinho.
Falconhoof Posted December 19, 2009 Posted December 19, 2009 If Rafa is gettingt the best he can out of these players and thats all they have got to give then he should be sacked for buying them and assembling a squad that can deliver so little over such a long period. I fear he's lost their trust or their faith in his tactics, he's a good man but enough is enough. We need to be putting the opposition under threat and making them fear us, not step out onto the pitch set up to stifle and defend week after week.
Andy @ Allerton Posted December 19, 2009 Posted December 19, 2009 Can't see what they could do. I'd be surprised if a top manager wanted the job given the total lack of funds he knew he wouldn't be getting. All he'd be able to do is what Rafa does - hope that no major injury or suspension issues affected the first team.
Billy Dane Posted December 19, 2009 Posted December 19, 2009 IF Rafa is to be replaced we need a manager who has great man management skills. It isn't about tactics and completing the task he needs to be able to inspire the players and instil them with confidence. The two that spring to mind with that kind of skill are Mourinho and ONeil. I'm not sure there is a manager out there with both Rafa's skill for tactics, and Jose and MON's skill for man management. Not sure I'm ready to give up on Rafa yet, but things need to change.
Benzo-13 Posted December 19, 2009 Posted December 19, 2009 Hiddink. Was my call here before Rafa but after seeing what he did last year to a Chelsea side putting in a similar shift to our lot now then he'd get my vote. Utilises the staff left around too. Whether he'd work for Pinky & Perky is another thing.
Earl Hafler Posted December 19, 2009 Posted December 19, 2009 Hiddink is the only manager i'd want to be given the job that i think might take it.
Guy_Incognito Posted December 19, 2009 Posted December 19, 2009 Tommo would make them realize they are priviledged to play for the greatest club in the galaxy. I'm pretty sure he would install some belief and an urge go give it all. Do you not think that Sammy Lee has a similar brief? Would it be his name being put forward if he was on Sky Sports, and Thommo was our number 2?
Lark Posted December 19, 2009 Posted December 19, 2009 i would hope that any manager (current or new) would have the good grace to drop a player when they are out of form. kuyt/gerrard are two names that spring to mind. I would hope any manager would select more than one attacking player against a team bottom of the league and who have shipped goals all season long. I would hope any manager would pick a team based on how our 11 will trouble their 11 instead of worrying about what their 11 might do and picks a team according to that fear. I would hope our manager would assess what our teams weaknesses are in the summer and devote what money he's given to addressing what he considers his area of priority then worry about wheeling and dealing to address the other areas.
Gunga Din Posted December 19, 2009 Posted December 19, 2009 Rafa deserves the chance to turn this around.
Stevie H Posted December 19, 2009 Author Posted December 19, 2009 If Rafa is gettingt the best he can out of these players and thats all they have got to give then he should be sacked for buying them and assembling a squad that can deliver so little over such a long period. I fear he's lost their trust or their faith in his tactics, he's a good man but enough is enough. We need to be putting the opposition under threat and making them fear us, not step out onto the pitch set up to stifle and defend week after week. i agree with this. but it doesn't say how another guy would improve things. Can't see what they could do. I'd be surprised if a top manager wanted the job given the total lack of funds he knew he wouldn't be getting. All he'd be able to do is what Rafa does - hope that no major injury or suspension issues affected the first team. i agree with this too.
Stevie H Posted December 19, 2009 Author Posted December 19, 2009 Hiddink is the only manager i'd want to be given the job that i think might take it.what do you think hiddink would do differently? given that he'll have no money to spend to help rectify things.
Beardsley Posted December 19, 2009 Posted December 19, 2009 Do you not think that Sammy Lee has a similar brief? Would it be his name being put forward if he was on Sky Sports, and Thommo was our number 2? Thommo has actually been successful as a manager (the time he managed us), Sammy has not.
Swipe Posted December 19, 2009 Posted December 19, 2009 Wouldn't want Thommo in the slightest. A manager "losing the players" may be a cliche but it really does look like it's happened. A new manager MAY give the players a shot up the arm and a boot up the a***. He may drop players that need to be dropped and maybe better in the transfer market with limited funds. The thought of Rafa being sacked after the fight he's put up against those two c**** who own us is horrible, but this can't continue. We're a few results away from going into the bottom half of the table. It's not acceptable. If the only thing on his side is "can we afford to sack him" or "who'd replace him" then it's pretty tenous. I doubt he owners will think that way either. If they think - or more pertently, if Purslow tells them - that we're in a mess that Rafa is adding to and it doesn't look like we'll get out of it, they'll sack him then look for someone new.
Gomez Posted December 19, 2009 Posted December 19, 2009 Do you not think that Sammy Lee has a similar brief? Would it be his name being put forward if he was on Sky Sports, and Thommo was our number 2? We are not man city, we are Liverpool Football Club. We don't make fundamental decisions on a whim to appease whinny fans. A new manager might make short term difference, but it would probably seal our fate in terms of finishing outside the top 4, and it could lead to a spiral of short term fan appeasing decisions. G&H won't give us our money to spend in the transfer market. Regardless of who the manager is we are not competing with Man u, arsenal, chelsea, city or spurs. Until we do that, we will be finishing 6th or 7th. Teams who finish 6th or 7th lose matches like we did today, it's not just the teams above them that they lose to. As for desire and commitment, Most of our squad joined to win the league and the CL. Do you not think they can't see where this club is going?
Bailo Posted December 19, 2009 Posted December 19, 2009 I don't want to start naming names, I really don't like the crop that would come in, they've no loyalty - most seem journeyman managers who aren't bothered about setting up a longterm plan. But something, I feel, is broken now, the players today apart from Nando didn't look like they wanted to fight for Rafa. The more I think about sacking Rafa though, the more sick it makes me feel. Ferguson, Allardyce, Mourinho, Martin Samuel, Barclay, that manc c*** who writes for the Guardian....all gloating.
Stevie H Posted December 19, 2009 Author Posted December 19, 2009 The more I think about sacking Rafa though, the more sick it makes me feel. Ferguson, Allardyce, Mourinho, Martin Samuel, Barclay, that manc c*** who writes for the Guardian....all gloating. by default, anyone who would gloat about, or enjoy, or take pleasure in rafa benitez leaving liverpool before he is ready to is a f***ing c*nt who would be better off dead.
Cobs Posted December 19, 2009 Posted December 19, 2009 by default, anyone who would gloat about, or enjoy, or take pleasure in rafa benitez leaving liverpool before he is ready to is a f***ing c*nt who would be better off dead. hehe you lie - you're not in the apathetic stage at all !!!
Hobbsie Posted December 19, 2009 Posted December 19, 2009 what do you think hiddink would do differently? given that he'll have no money to spend to help rectify things. I'm getting the feeling that not being Rafa would be sufficient
Mick_G Posted December 19, 2009 Posted December 19, 2009 i would hope that any manager (current or new) would have the good grace to drop a player when they are out of form. kuyt/gerrard are two names that spring to mind. I would hope any manager would select more than one attacking player against a team bottom of the league and who have shipped goals all season long. I would hope any manager would pick a team based on how our 11 will trouble their 11 instead of worrying about what their 11 might do and picks a team according to that fear. I would hope our manager would assess what our teams weaknesses are in the summer and devote what money he's given to addressing what he considers his area of priority then worry about wheeling and dealing to address the other areas.This. Spot On.
Gunga Din Posted December 19, 2009 Posted December 19, 2009 hehe you lie - you're not in the apathetic stage at all !!! he also has plans afoot to assassinate the king of Thailand
Benzo-13 Posted December 19, 2009 Posted December 19, 2009 what do you think hiddink would do differently? given that he'll have no money to spend to help rectify things. He didn't have a penny at that lot either. I feel dirty.
Zoob Posted December 19, 2009 Posted December 19, 2009 A new manager would breathe new life into the club. He'd be told of our plans for a fantastic stadium and would be assured of plentiful funds for transfer. Unfortunately a new contract for Eccleston would wipe out these funds, and the new stadium is scheduled to be ready in time for the 2048 world cup bid. But Curbs has had to work on a tight budget before, and I'm sure he'd manage to get the most out of Spearing.
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