Rafa's contract

[Mr. Biscan]

When Rafa signed a 5 year contract this summer, he did it after months of negotiations, constant rejections, and the obligatory 'I Could have gone to Madrid Ya know?'.

 

Fast forward to November, Rafa has a great contract, he's at a club that can't afford to sack him and out of anyone involved at the club it really couldn't get any better for anyone. I think all things considered there need to be a few questions answered.

 

1. Why did Rafa reject the contract initially?

2. Why couldn't the contract be made on the clubs terms, did the contract have to be 5 years?

3. Was Rafa aware that he would have little funds when he signed the contract, if so why did he sign it? If not why hasn't be spoke out, surely that would be a breach of terms?

4. Why if Rafa can't speak out, did he sign his own gagging order?

 

I think the situation we find ourselves in with Rafa is something I actually got scared we'd be in, I.E He is untouchable. Our fans are fiercely loyal to him, and he has played the pied piper in that respect IMO and we can't afford to sack him. The 5 year contract he was demanding didn't ring right with me. It's not the fact that he got a contract I dispute, it's the fact he got 5 years. Surely the club should be holding all the cards and the whole 'power politics' which he and the club have been playing should have been put to one side in order for us to progress. I think he should have been given a 3 year contract with an added incentive of 2 upon delivering a trophy.

 

IMO One of the biggest questions is of course, the whole funding issue.

 

When Rafa signed the contract, was his budget stipulated?

If so, was it what it was in the summer?

If not, why hasn't he spoken out?

If he can't speak out, why did he sign his own gagging order? Considering this is Rafa Benitez.

 

They are crucial questions IMO which need to be answered, for a manager to be in the position he is now riding on a wave of fierce loyal fans despite his numerous mistakes, whilst sitting on a contract which the owners can't afford to tear up...Well it puts the manager in a position which I don't think he should be in I.E Irreplaceable, holding all the cards through the wind and rain. Excuse the pun.

 

Discuss.

[Noel Street]

our loyal fans? that excludes you right?

[anny road]

no, he should have been given a ten year one

 

 

just to piss you off

[surf]

1. yes he should have

2. he should have been given money to invest as well. not getting anything after finishing 2nd on 82 points is criminal. had he got any money last season we might have won the league already

3. can't this have gone in the rafa thread?

[Senrab_nhoj]

no, he should have been given a ten year one

just to piss you off

[muleskinner]

When Rafa signed a 5 year contract this summer, he did it after months of negotiations, constant rejections, and the obligatory 'I Could have gone to Madrid Ya know?'.

 

Fast forward to November, Rafa has a great contract, he's at a club that can't afford to sack him and out of anyone involved at the club it really couldn't get any better for anyone. I think all things considered there need to be a few questions answered.

 

1. Why did Rafa reject the contract initially?

2. Why couldn't the contract be made on the clubs terms, did the contract have to be 5 years?

3. Was Rafa aware that he would have little funds when he signed the contract, if so why did he sign it? If not why hasn't be spoke out, surely that would be a breach of terms?

4. Why if Rafa can't speak out, did he sign his own gagging order?

 

I think the situation we find ourselves in with Rafa is something I actually got scared we'd be in, I.E He is untouchable. Our fans are fiercely loyal to him, and he has played the pied piper in that respect IMO and we can't afford to sack him. The 5 year contract he was demanding didn't ring right with me. It's not the fact that he got a contract I dispute, it's the fact he got 5 years. Surely the club should be holding all the cards and the whole 'power politics' which he and the club have been playing should have been put to one side in order for us to progress. I think he should have been given a 3 year contract with an added incentive of 2 upon delivering a trophy.

 

IMO One of the biggest questions is of course, the whole funding issue.

 

When Rafa signed the contract, was his budget stipulated?

If so, was it what it was in the summer?

If not, why hasn't he spoken out?

If he can't speak out, why did he sign his own gagging order? Considering this is Rafa Benitez.

 

They are crucial questions IMO which need to be answered, for a manager to be in the position he is now riding on a wave of fierce loyal fans despite his numerous mistakes, whilst sitting on a contract which the owners can't afford to tear up...Well it puts the manager in a position which I don't think he should be in I.E Irreplaceable, holding all the cards through the wind and rain. Excuse the pun.

 

Discuss.

 

Yes, he should. The club still hold all the cards, they can sack him whenever they want. Or he can resign.

[boohog]

Perhaps he got a 5 year contract because he got us to 2nd in the league and has consistently kicked butt in the Champions League?

 

Perhaps your assertion that the club holds the cards is false since we don't have a pot to p1ss in and even the yanks knew they couldn't get a manager as good with no new transfer funds, hence Rafa effectively wrote his contract?

 

Perhaps the club is now run on a more commercial basis and Rafa Benitez is likely to bring in more money than any other managerial alterrnative?

 

re 3&4, that stuff is pretty speculative

[Red Lecter]

I think I hear Baby Jesus crying in the distance...

[Murphman]

When Rafa signed a 5 year contract this summer, he did it after months of negotiations, constant rejections, and the obligatory 'I Could have gone to Madrid Ya know?'.

 

Fast forward to November, Rafa has a great contract, he's at a club that can't afford to sack him and out of anyone involved at the club it really couldn't get any better for anyone. I think all things considered there need to be a few questions answered.

 

1. Why did Rafa reject the contract initially?

2. Why couldn't the contract be made on the clubs terms, did the contract have to be 5 years?

3. Was Rafa aware that he would have little funds when he signed the contract, if so why did he sign it? If not why hasn't be spoke out, surely that would be a breach of terms?

4. Why if Rafa can't speak out, did he sign his own gagging order?

 

I think the situation we find ourselves in with Rafa is something I actually got scared we'd be in, I.E He is untouchable. Our fans are fiercely loyal to him, and he has played the pied piper in that respect IMO and we can't afford to sack him. The 5 year contract he was demanding didn't ring right with me. It's not the fact that he got a contract I dispute, it's the fact he got 5 years. Surely the club should be holding all the cards and the whole 'power politics' which he and the club have been playing should have been put to one side in order for us to progress. I think he should have been given a 3 year contract with an added incentive of 2 upon delivering a trophy.

 

IMO One of the biggest questions is of course, the whole funding issue.

 

When Rafa signed the contract, was his budget stipulated?

If so, was it what it was in the summer?

If not, why hasn't he spoken out?

If he can't speak out, why did he sign his own gagging order? Considering this is Rafa Benitez.

 

They are crucial questions IMO which need to be answered, for a manager to be in the position he is now riding on a wave of fierce loyal fans despite his numerous mistakes, whilst sitting on a contract which the owners can't afford to tear up...Well it puts the manager in a position which I don't think he should be in I.E Irreplaceable, holding all the cards through the wind and rain. Excuse the pun.

 

Discuss.

 

Ant. Do you ever tire of ths sh*t. Seriously?

Edited December 4, 2009 by Murphman

[Jacks Jackie Jackson]

To be fair, Ant has a good point. Sadly, he can't see what it is or why it should be relevant.

[Tones]

yes

[Bigal]

Ant, why do you think Rafa should speak out?

[Rimbeux]

When Rafa signed a 5 year contract this summer, he did it after months of negotiations, constant rejections, and the obligatory 'I Could have gone to Madrid Ya know?'.

 

Fast forward to November, Rafa has a great contract, he's at a club that can't afford to sack him and out of anyone involved at the club it really couldn't get any better for anyone. I think all things considered there need to be a few questions answered.

 

1. Why did Rafa reject the contract initially?

2. Why couldn't the contract be made on the clubs terms, did the contract have to be 5 years?

3. Was Rafa aware that he would have little funds when he signed the contract, if so why did he sign it? If not why hasn't be spoke out, surely that would be a breach of terms?

4. Why if Rafa can't speak out, did he sign his own gagging order?

 

I think the situation we find ourselves in with Rafa is something I actually got scared we'd be in, I.E He is untouchable. Our fans are fiercely loyal to him, and he has played the pied piper in that respect IMO and we can't afford to sack him. The 5 year contract he was demanding didn't ring right with me. It's not the fact that he got a contract I dispute, it's the fact he got 5 years. Surely the club should be holding all the cards and the whole 'power politics' which he and the club have been playing should have been put to one side in order for us to progress. I think he should have been given a 3 year contract with an added incentive of 2 upon delivering a trophy.

 

IMO One of the biggest questions is of course, the whole funding issue.

 

When Rafa signed the contract, was his budget stipulated?

If so, was it what it was in the summer?

If not, why hasn't he spoken out?

If he can't speak out, why did he sign his own gagging order? Considering this is Rafa Benitez.

 

They are crucial questions IMO which need to be answered, for a manager to be in the position he is now riding on a wave of fierce loyal fans despite his numerous mistakes, whilst sitting on a contract which the owners can't afford to tear up...Well it puts the manager in a position which I don't think he should be in I.E Irreplaceable, holding all the cards through the wind and rain. Excuse the pun.

 

Discuss.

 

So you are saying the fans want him, the owners wont sack him, he wants to stay, he's on a long deal.

 

It's only an issue if one of those things changes

[Red_Rob]

Discuss.

 

No thanks.

[psl]

No thanks.

 

Is the right answer.

[bazz]

Oh Christ - why does this forum allow this agenda to continue from Ant

 

It should be seen as an embarrassment and dealt with once and for all.

[SkippyjonJones]

Oh Christ - why does this forum allow this agenda to continue from Ant

 

It should be seen as an embarrassment and dealt with once and for all.

 

If you don't like Ants posts then ignore them. Posting in them bumnps them back up the page so by replying you are adding to the thread and keeping it current. Seems a little foolish to do if you don't want to deal with it..

[Mr. Biscan]

Ant, why do you think Rafa should speak out?

 

 

Because it's the right thing to do by the club and it's long term future.

 

Can you imagine if Rafa turned around tomorrow and said?

 

'Right the owners promised me, this this and this, they never delivered we are f***ed etc etc'

 

The key issue for me when he signed the contract is, was he told he couldn't speak out? If so why did he sign it, doesn't that go against what Benitez has done at Valencia and here previously?

[Benzo-13]

Let the madness begin!!

 

I'm gonna sit this one out.

[Bigal]

Because it's the right thing to do by the club and it's long term future.

 

Can you imagine if Rafa turned around tomorrow and said?

 

'Right the owners promised me, this this and this, they never delivered we are f***ed etc etc'

 

The key issue for me when he signed the contract is, was he told he couldn't speak out? If so why did he sign it, doesn't that go against what Benitez has done at Valencia and here previously?

 

That may be right, but I wouldnt sacrifice my job and my happiness for someone help, I hate my job, but would I quit?? No.

 

I agree with your last point, the problem is, perhaps its a little give and take, for the control he wanted he had to take the rug being pulled from under him?

 

I am only guessing, thats all we can do

[blago]

Because it's the right thing to do by the club and it's long term future.

 

Can you imagine if Rafa turned around tomorrow and said?

 

'Right the owners promised me, this this and this, they never delivered we are f***ed etc etc'

 

The key issue for me when he signed the contract is, was he told he couldn't speak out? If so why did he sign it, doesn't that go against what Benitez has done at Valencia and here previously?

 

 

Clearly he has decided he wants to remain here in spite of not being backed up financially as he should be.

 

I doubt he likes or trusts the owners but he knows the score - they have given more or less full control or everything football related with limited financial support. He likes the city, cares about the fans and cares about the club. He has a plan to bring in the odd world class player and start blooding youngsters when he feels they are ready. Whether this will be enough to compete with 3 or 4 other teams outspending us each year remains to be seen.

 

I believe if anyone can make this strategy work it is Rafa.

[Mr. Biscan]

That may be right, but I wouldnt sacrifice my job and my happiness for someone help, I hate my job, but would I quit?? No.

 

I agree with your last point, the problem is, perhaps its a little give and take, for the control he wanted he had to take the rug being pulled from under him?

 

I am only guessing, thats all we can do

 

Football works in mysterious ways, you know that.

 

I just feel a 'Benitez back lash' and not the one he did back in '07-08. A Full on 3rd party press conference and calling the owners out for what they are would surely see their position become untenable. It's not as if Rafa can't apply for his own job when the owners leave.

 

I guess what I'm trying to say is, once more. Why is Rafa still taking this s***? I know his family are settled in Liverpool, but I'm sure the money he already has won't exactly dry up if he went nuclear. He'd still have the fans support, and any potential owners would see as the number one candidate. Part of me feels that Benitez is duty bound to expose the owners, and if he knowingly signed a contract where he couldn't say anything, then he shouldn't have signed it.

[stressederic]

You honestly think that if Rafa was to speak out against the owners they'd just go "Well that's the end of us, we'd best pack our stuff up"?

 

Of course they wouldn't, they'd just sack him. They could still be here for years afterwards, Rafa "going nuclear" wouldn't change that.

 

Anyway why do you care if he says it or not? Considering you accused him of lying over the fitness of players after the game again Fulham, why would you believe what he has to say about the owners?

[pipnasty]

I genuinely think that you want him to speak out in the hope that they will sack him.

 

Football may or may not work in mysterious ways but you do not.

[Mr. Biscan]

You honestly think that if Rafa was to speak out against the owners they'd just go "Well that's the end of us, we'd best pack our stuff up"?

 

Of course they wouldn't, they'd just sack him. They could still be here for years afterwards, Rafa "going nuclear" wouldn't change that.

 

Anyway why do you care if he says it or not? Considering you accused him of lying over the fitness of players after the game again Fulham, why would you believe what he has to say about the owners?

 

I just think considering Benitez's support within a large proportion of our fan base it would end their regime.

 

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree, but surely if Benitez spoke out soon about the owners then that would cause some major damage within the club, they are already trying to find investment and Benitez coming out would hamper their regime.

 

I want the owners out above all else, the fact they gave Benitez a 5 year contract was a mistake, but if the owners have told lies then Benitez must use this to get the owners out.