Ian Callaghan

[Maharajkumar of Vizianagram]

Just looked him on Wiki after being inspired by the article about Carra rising to 12th on our league appearances list.

 

Turns out he only ever got 4 England caps.

 

856 Liverpool appearances and 4 England caps!

 

What was that about then? Surely the player who was a mainstay in the great Liverpool teams over 2 decades should have got more caps than that?

Edited September 17, 2009 by Aritro

[badtodabone]

Just looked him on Wiki after being inspired by the article about Carra rising to 12th on our league appearances list.

 

Turns out he only ever got 4 England caps.

 

856 Liverpool appearances and 4 England caps!

 

What was that about then? Surely the player who was a mainstay in the great Liverpool teams over 2 decades should have got more caps than that?

 

simple answer yes he should have ,great player

[Will]

Just looked him on Wiki after being inspired by the article about Carra rising to 12th on our league appearances list.

Glad somebody read it

[matty]

Just looked him on Wiki after being inspired by the article about Carra rising to 12th on our league appearances list.

 

Turns out he only ever got 4 England caps.

 

856 Liverpool appearances and 4 England caps!

 

What was that about then? Surely the player who was a mainstay in the great Liverpool teams over 2 decades should have got more caps than that?

Sort of depends who else England had at the time.

[HeWonItFromBrock]

Top bloke - spent an evening chatting to him last year. Incredibly modest considering what he achieved and his standing

 

Think he also holds the record for the length of time between England caps - 11 years from the world cup in 1966 till he got another couple in 1977.

 

Also booked only once in his entire career.

 

True legend

[Beardsley]

Top bloke - spent an evening chatting to him last year. Incredibly modest considering what he achieved and his standing

 

Think he also holds the record for the length of time between England caps - 11 years from the world cup in 1966 till he got another couple in 1977.

 

Also booked only once in his entire career.

 

True legend

 

 

 

My first hero!

 

The booking was in his last match, wasn't it?

[anny road]

Only saw the back end of him

 

But my dad wasnt his greatest fan, so I suppose there might have been a difference of opinion about him at some point...

 

However, to plsy that many times for the club during there hey day tells you something

[HeWonItFromBrock]

Saw this on the Liverpool Way from a thread about him a while ago. Don't think it was quite his last match but sounds contentious

 

"The one booking he did get by the way was in 1978 at the League Cup Final replay V Forest at OT which was an awful night for LFC - we lost 1-0 with a pen given when Thommo brought O'Hare down 2 yards out side the box, Terry Mac had a goal disallowed for handball when it hit his chest and the evening was capped near the end by Callys booking when he won a challenge in midfield, quite honestly it was debateable whether it was even a foul and yet somehow he got a yellow.

 

Well done Pat Partridge the ref on the night!!"

[Murphman]

Sort of depends who else England had at the time.

 

 

Bolllocks, he was never 'fashionable' that's all, there are a hundred useless barstards nowhere near his ability got more than 4 caps. When we won in 1977 England picked seven Liverpool players the following match, one of which was Cally. So in his 30's he suddenly gained recognition because we won the European Cup? Without doubt he's one of the best players this club have had, right up there with the very best. And he's a feckin gentleman too.

[New York Red]

Bolllocks, he was never 'fashionable' that's all, there are a hundred useless barstards nowhere near his ability got more than 4 caps. When we won in 1977 England picked seven Liverpool players the following match, one of which was Cally. So in his 30's he suddenly gained recognition because we won the European Cup? Without doubt he's one of the best players this club have had, right up there with the very best. And he's a feckin gentleman too.

 

You hit the nail on the head there. I remember that game. They basically played the whole Liverpool team and removed the Scots, Welsh etc and replaced them withthe best players available. They were totally desperate.

 

Cally was in the 1966 World Cup squad.

[John am Rhein]

Who generally got picked ahead of Callaghan?

 

Martin Peters? other?

[Murphman]

Who generally got picked ahead of Callaghan?

 

Martin Peters? other?

 

 

He was deemed a winger in 1966 John, or at least a wide right midfielder. Ramsay didn't play wingers and Peters was nothing at all like Cally in style. Do you really want us toi go through a list of the sh*t midfielders got into the England side (That didn't qualify for a World Cup for 12 years) from 1970 to 1977?

[John am Rhein]

Do you really want us toi go through a list of the sh*t midfielders got into the England side (That didn't qualify for a World Cup for 12 years) from 1970 to 1977?

 

well yes, actually...

 

at what point did Ian Callaghan move from being a winger to a more conventional midfield player?

[Murphman]

well yes, actually...

 

at what point did Ian Callaghan move from being a winger to a more conventional midfield player?

 

 

He sort of evolved into a midfielder in the late 60's. Anyway, from 1970 to 1977 the following won caps in England's midfield whilst the man who holds the all time appearance records for the best side in the land stayed at home.

 

Alan Mullery

Brian Talbot

Trevor Cherry

Martin Dobson

Colin Viljoen

Brian Greenhoff

Keith Weller

Ralph Coates

Colin Harvey

 

and don't get me started on Ray f*cking Wilkins!!

[Rich Gobey]

You hit the nail on the head there. I remember that game. They basically played the whole Liverpool team and removed the Scots, Welsh etc and replaced them withthe best players available. They were totally desperate.

 

Cally was in the 1966 World Cup squad.

 

Still only drew with someone s*** like Switzerland though... and Keegan was a Hamburg player by then, so it was really 6 Lpool players.

[New York Red]

He sort of evolved into a midfielder in the late 60's. Anyway, from 1970 to 1977 the following won caps in England's midfield whilst the man who holds the all time appearance records for the best side in the land stayed at home.

 

Alan Mullery

Brian Talbot

Trevor Cherry

Martin Dobson

Colin Viljoen

Brian Greenhoff

Keith Weller

Ralph Coates

Colin Harvey

 

and don't get me started on Ray f*cking Wilkins!!

 

Trevor Cherry was a defender you silly old b*gger

 

Or did you throw him in there so you could say that Revie played him in midfield for one game?

[John am Rhein]

He sort of evolved into a midfielder in the late 60's. Anyway, from 1970 to 1977 the following won caps in England's midfield whilst the man who holds the all time appearance records for the best side in the land stayed at home.

 

Alan Mullery

Brian Talbot

Trevor Cherry

Martin Dobson

Colin Viljoen

Brian Greenhoff

Keith Weller

Ralph Coates

Colin Harvey

 

and don't get me started on Ray f*cking Wilkins!!

 

Ray Wilkins wasn't really a contemporary of Ian Callaghan.

 

But...Ralph Coates

 

Got to bear in mind that for much of the time Callaghan was clocking up those appearances, we weren't actually the best side in the land - our perpetual domination came later on, just as Callaghan's career was drawing to a close.

 

He was certainly a better player than those listed above, though - and various others.

[John am Rhein]

Trevor Cherry was a defender you silly old b*gger

 

and Keith Weller was a forward...

 

the England midfield names I remember from the 70s included the likes of:

 

Colin Bell

Alan Ball

Martin Peters, of course

Tony Currie

 

and an assortment of ball players: Hudson, Marsh, etc.

[New York Red]

I'll add a few other donkeys to that list.

 

Gerry Francis (who still has the same haircut)

Gordon Hill

Dennis Tueart

Brian Talbot

[New York Red]

and Keith Weller was a forward...

 

the England midfield names I remember from the 70s included the likes of:

 

Colin Bell

Alan Ball

Martin Peters, of course

Tony Currie

 

and an assortment of ball players: Hudson, Marsh, etc.

 

Bell and Currie were great players.

[John am Rhein]

Brian Glanville's favourite (and Arf Garnett's): Trevor Brooking

[Conrad]

Brian Glanville's favourite (and Arf Garnett's): Trevor Brooking

 

Great player Brooking and a gentleman too, like Callaghan

[Earl Hafler]

Just looked him on Wiki after being inspired by the article about Carra rising to 12th on our league appearances list.

 

Turns out he only ever got 4 England caps.

 

856 Liverpool appearances and 4 England caps!

 

What was that about then? Surely the player who was a mainstay in the great Liverpool teams over 2 decades should have got more caps than that?

 

Just watching him now in the 74 final on ESPN.

 

" Goals pay the rent, and Keegan does his shift "

[Murphman]

I'll add a few other donkeys to that list.

 

Gerry Francis (who still has the same haircut)

Gordon Hill

Dennis Tueart

Brian Talbot

 

 

You've just berated me for Cherry even though he played the Mascherano/Stiles role for England frequently, then you've thrown in Gordon Hill who was a winger, Dennis Tueart who was a striker and then Brian Talbot who was on my list already.

 

You silly old sod.

[New York Red]

You've just berated me for Cherry even though he played the Mascherano/Stiles role for England frequently, then you've thrown in Gordon Hill who was a winger, Dennis Tueart who was a striker and then Brian Talbot who was on my list already.

 

You silly old sod.

 

You're making that up about Trevor Cherry. Revie was never intelligent enough to know what to do with a holding midfielder.

 

Winger/midfielder what's the difference? Tueart was a winger too.

 

You're dull as a bloody butter knife I swear. I can't believe that I actually like you.

 

Hey, do you think the new stadium should be built out of wood? I do.