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YNWAdownunder

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YNWAdownunder

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It seems to me there are a fair few free transfer being snapped up this transfer window or some who are still available who could add something to our team? Is it jsut that our budgets are that bad we cant deal with teh wages?

 

Schevchenko

Jan Venegoor

Lucas Neil

Michael Owen

just to name a few

 

If we have no money surely these are the options rather than spending 1.5 million on a greek with a questionable diciplin record...lucas neil would have been a good pickup for Center Back in my opinion - has premier league experience and was west hams captain.

anyone else seeing these opportunities head out the door? I mean some are not good players and therfore shouldnt be looked at but surely there are some specially if we are tight on capital.

surf

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you've still got to pay the wages. look at degen for example, didnt cost anything in transfer fees, but will cost us in the region of 4m in wages for his 4 year contract.

Gerrardrules

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  surf said:
you've still got to pay the wages. look at degen for example, didnt cost anything in transfer fees, but will cost us in the region of 4m in wages for his 4 year contract.

 

As well as a big signing on fee.

cymrococh

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  YNWAdownunder said:
and the greek is?

I've only seen him play once and he was decent.

 

Neill and Owen are the closest to useful for us, but they have already burnt their bridges with Rafa.

Stevie H

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vennegoor of hesselink wasn't good enough for celtic so he's hardly good enough for us realistically. shevchenko is a busted flush (sutty).

 

stephen appiah's without a club at the minute and is a good player, surprised more teams haven't offered him a basic deal.

YNWAdownunder

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  Eiler99 said:
No players are "free". The signing on fee for some of those players is probably a lot more than £1.5m.

 

if the fact is we cant afford the signing bonus then it is understandable but if its because benitez values to service of Kyrgiakos over someone like lucas neil im somewhat perplexed ... having said that i dont think theres been a point were rafa has let us down im sure he knows whats goin on

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  Captain Sanil Crastow said:
None of those players are good enough for us.

 

owen is clearly a far superior bench option than anything we have

YNWAdownunder

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  surf said:
you've still got to pay the wages. look at degen for example, didnt cost anything in transfer fees, but will cost us in the region of 4m in wages for his 4 year contract.

 

is degen ever gonna play for us?

 

 

Also pretty sure owen / shevchenko are far better than Voronin - as mike says

carrafan

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  YNWAdownunder said:
and the greek is?

 

Have you seen enough of him to categorize him as a definite hit/flop? Could well turn out to be a coup like Arbeloa (or a flop too) but almost assuming that he isnt good enough right now isnt the right thing to do, imo.

 

A lot that happens with these frees is that they are looking for higher wages than their current contracts (and hold their past clubs to ransom or let their contracts run down) and hence look at similar deals from new clubs. Look at Lucas Neil, Daniel Sturridge etc who were looking for 60k per week deals.

 

Rafa said why he didnt go for Owen in that he couldnt promise Michael those regular starts which he needs to get into Capello's world cup plans. He doesnt trust him at all and why should he?

 

That said there were quite a few good players on a free from last year and i'm surprised that we never went for any of those. But i still dont see why Kyrgiakos' signing is being compared as an alternative to signing another player on the free. I'm sure we could have probably afforded a free along with 'The greek' if Rafa wanted one.

 

One difference from maybe a couple of seasons back when we got Degen and Voronin is that we have a bunch of kids on the cusp of being good enough for the league sooner rather than later. The likes of Pacheco, Spearing, Nemeth, Ngog, Ayala, Kelly and Gulacsi are options we never had and maybe buying a whole new player for that position stops them from progressing in a year or two. Its about finding the right balance between having experienced backup who can do a job but maybe delay the kids from progressing or having a couple of injuries f*** your squad up and throw in inexperienced youth in important games.

 

Oh, and i just remembered that we got Aurelio on a free. A proper inspired buy by Rafa. Thought he was absolute s**** after his first derby though. Was taken to the cleaners that day.

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YNWAdownunder

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i get where your comming from Carra but surely if you had the choice between a Tried and tested good center back who knows english football against a untried suspect greek centerback who applies his trade in possibly the 7-10th best league in the world? i dunno im not judging him saying hes terrible but i see him as much of a risk as an free signing or even more so than one who is tried and tested. He made some pretty clinical errors last match which really pointed out to me that he was a bit out of his depth but obviously its gonna take time for him to adjust. Also its not like Owen is getting regular starts at Man U either so it makes me wonder how passionatly liverpool were willing tobe to bring him back once again i would rather take 1/2 of michael owen as an impact player over voronin

drdooom

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'The greek' (are you StJohn?) is supposed to be 4th choice and was bought for a 4th choice fee and likely on 4th choice wages. Do you think Neill would have settled for that?

carrafan

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  YNWAdownunder said:
i get where your comming from Carra but surely if you had the choice between a Tried and tested good center back who knows english football against a untried suspect greek centerback who applies his trade in possibly the 7-10th best league in the world? i dunno im not judging him saying hes terrible but i see him as much of a risk as an free signing or even more so than one who is tried and tested. He made some pretty clinical errors last match which really pointed out to me that he was a bit out of his depth but obviously its gonna take time for him to adjust. Also its not like Owen is getting regular starts at Man U either so it makes me wonder how passionatly liverpool were willing tobe to bring him back once again i would rather take 1/2 of michael owen as an impact player over voronin

 

Well it depends doesnt it? We were offering Neill champions league football when he was at Blackburn but he chose the money and went to West Ham. He's preferring to stay off a contract and sit at home than accept a more reasonable one to stay at West Ham. Think Atletico Madrid offered him a deal but he wanted more cash. You got to wonder if money is his only motivation if thats true, then i dont want him. Plus, offering to pay 60k for a fourth choice centreback/second choice right back isnt a smart investment imo, even if we could afford it.

 

I'd prefer Michael Owen over Voronin too but he's taken us for a ride a couple of times now and it seems pretty obvious that his complete thought process seems to be concentrated on that England position. No manager will buy a player he doesnt trust and thats especially true for Neill and Owen.

 

BTW, not being unnecessarily confrontational and apologies if it seems that i am but it does look that you've made your mind up about Kyrgiakos already as you used the term 'suspect' when you spoke of him. He was hardly out of his depth in the last game and it was clear that he was a like for like replacement for Hyypia looking at his quality in the air. Signing any player is a risk, some more than the others, its all up to your opinion how much of a risk someone is. But Neill wouldnt offer what we lost when Hyypia left, Kyrgiakos does. Its like for like, imo.

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Eiler99

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  YNWAdownunder said:
if the fact is we cant afford the signing bonus then it is understandable but if its because benitez values to service of Kyrgiakos over someone like lucas neil im somewhat perplexed ... having said that i dont think theres been a point were rafa has let us down im sure he knows whats goin on

 

Maybe Kyrgiakos wanted to play for Liverpool? Lucas Neill turned us down only a few season ago because of money.

 

Same goes for Owen who's shown time and time again that he doesn't give a f*** about anyone but Michael Owen. I'm sure he'd shaft us again as soon as he got the chance. That's for another discussion though. ;)

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JRC

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  YNWAdownunder said:
He made some pretty clinical errors last match

Did he do Carra's stitches?

 

He had a few moments of communication problems with Carra, or thought he had more time on the ball than he did - both to be expected almost in his first PL game. Didn't win every header against Davies - I doubt Sami ever did. No great pace one-on-one - again - see Sami, and not unexpected. Otherwise, he did the job he was asked and expected to do pretty well.

Stevie H

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  Mike said:
owen is clearly a far superior bench option than anything we have

annoyingly as f***, he is right now. would you have him back though? having shat on the club previously?

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  Stevie H said:
annoyingly as f***, he is right now. would you have him back though? having shat on the club previously?

 

no question. business is business, we got 8mill and a player for him, would have liked at least double that at the time and he made his choices. i think rafa dropped a b****** here.

cymrococh

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  Mike said:
in light of the business we did this summer, we should have.

When you put it like that, yes. But I don't think the manager was aware of the situation he/we would be in.

 

Hardly anyone wanted him back at the time, and most were laughing at man utd for signing him.

 

To be a total devil's advocate, it still remains to be seen if he'll be any better for the mancs than Voronin will be for us.

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