Fifa's 4+7 to 6+5 rule

[growler]

According to the FIFA article below, the rules start to change from 2010. Is this the case for Europe? If so, that would explain the large outlay on Johnson and the case for Turner/Shawcross.

 

If this happens, it will really kill some nations like Greece, Ireland, Scotland, Wales etc. Players would normally continue to upskill themselves in the PL, Italy, Spain etc will find less spaces for them, and ultimately the international game will suffer. In addition, the big will get bigger. the mancs, mancs***ty and the russians can pay 30mil for an 18 year old striker, or 20mil for a midfielder or 25mil for a defender.

 

http://www.fifa.com/aboutfifa/federation/b...orts+objectives

 

Convening today in Sydney, the 58th FIFA Congress voted with a significant majority (155 yes, 5 no) in favour of a resolution on 6+5 (see resolution below).

 

In his address to the Congress, the FIFA President had stressed: "We do not want to go against the existing laws. Regarding Europe, we want to use the legal basis of the Treaty of Lisbon, which acknowledges the specificity of sport and its structures and organisations, and comes into force on 1 January 2009. We want to go for consultation, not confrontation".

 

Before the vote, several speakers expressed their support for the objectives of 6+5. Michel Platini, UEFA President, declared that "6+5 is considered illegal within the European Union. [but] UEFA totally shares the philosophy and objectives of 6+5. UEFA fully supports the resolution presented. We will do everything to help the FIFA President to defend the objectives presented today."

 

Franz Beckenbauer, chairman of FIFA's Football Committee, said: "Everybody regrets that England will not be represented at EURO 2008. We had thousands of English fans in Germany for the 2006 FIFA World Cup. They contributed to the party. It is unfortunate that they will not take part this time. It is not only England that is affected by the current situation. Other countries are concerned. Maybe it will be Germany soon. We debated 6+5 within our Football Committee and every member was in favour of this idea. We need to find an arrangement with the European Union."

 

Theo van Seggelen, Secretary General of FIFPro, a body that unites 60,000 professional football players all around the world and not only in Europe, mentioned: "Before becoming professionals, players need good training. Clubs need to invest time and money in the education of players. Training is necessary. But playing is necessary too. The career of a professional player is only complete when he has played for his club for at least a couple of years, and we prefer it when it is with the club where he was trained. FIFPro calls upon the Presidents of FIFA and UEFA to continue to explore all possible means - within the limits of the law - to achieve the objectives of 6+5."

 

The member associations of Australia, Guatemala and Saudi Arabia also spoke during the Congress and advocated 6+5, confirming that the objectives it aims at reaching do not concern only Europe but other continents as well.

 

Resolution adopted by the FIFA Congress

 

The FIFA Congress, at its meeting in Sydney on 29 and 30 May 2008, decided to:

- fully support the objectives of "6+5 " as laid down at the above Congress,

- request the Presidents of FIFA and UEFA to continue to explore for Europe, together with the world of sport - football's protagonists, but also the international Olympic Committee and the international federations - all possible means within the limits of the law to ensure that these crucial sporting objectives be achieved,

- give the FIFA President the mandate to, if necessary, take similar steps on the other continents in cooperation with the relevant Confederation.

 

Background of 6+5

- The foundations of football are harmony and balance between national team football and club football,

- The clubs' loss of national identity is endangering the former and has led to increasing inequality among the latter, thereby widening the financial and sporting gap between the two, reducing the competitiveness of club competitions and increasing the predictability of their results,

- Safeguarding (i) the education and training of young players, (ii) training clubs, and (iii) the values of effort and motivation in football, particularly for young players, is a fundamental element of protecting national teams and restoring sporting and financial balance to club football,

- The universal development of football over the last century would not continue if there were

increasing inequalities between continents, countries and protagonists in football,

 

Definition of 6+5

- At the beginning of each match, each club must field at least 6 who are players eligible to play for the national team of the country of the club.

- However, there is:

- no restriction on the number of non-eligible players under contract with the club,

- nor on substitutes to avoid non-sportive constraints on the coaches (potentially 3+8 at the end of a match).

 

Calendar of 6+5

The objective is to have an incremental implementation starting at the beginning of the 2010-2011 season to give clubs time to adjust their teams over a period of several years:

- 4+7 for 2010-2011

- 5+6 for 2011-2012

- and 6+5 for 2012-2013

[Loblaw]

It's a ludicrous law were it to come in. Squads are one thing, but FIFA dictating who clubs can and can't play, on any given day is just going too f***ing far imo.

[Stevie H]

it's illegal under european law, that should be the end of the bloody discussion. if england aren't good enough to make it to euro2008 and as such uefa's merchandise sales revenues are down that year, tough titty.

[Alonso]

Definition of 6+5

- At the beginning of each match, each club must field at least 6 who are players eligible to play for the national team of the country of the club.

 

Calendar of 6+5

The objective is to have an incremental implementation starting at the beginning of the 2010-2011 season to give clubs time to adjust their teams over a period of several years:

- 4+7 for 2010-2011

- 5+6 for 2011-2012

- and 6+5 for 2012-2013

Looks like we'll be signing a first choice English player next season then or maybe promoting Kelly or Spearing.

[DanielS]

if england aren't good enough to make it to euro2008 and as such uefa's merchandise sales revenues are down that year, tough titty.

 

Funny how the foreigners are ruining the English game and yet the u/19 and u/21 National sides have just reached the final of their respective European Championships and the senior national side is on maximum points in the world cup qualifiers and on course for a very early qualification.

[Damian_de]

it's illegal under european law, that should be the end of the bloody discussion.

and will be. FIFA voting for this is irrelevant.

[Metro]

it's illegal under european law, that should be the end of the bloody discussion. if england aren't good enough to make it to euro2008 and as such uefa's merchandise sales revenues are down that year, tough titty.

 

But we are now in 2009. I'm sure the big clubs have already said they will kick this into touch?

[Spike]

Definition of 6+5

- At the beginning of each match, each club must field at least 6 who are players eligible to play for the national team of the country of the club.

 

How do welsh, irish and scottish players in england work out with this one?

[MFletcher]

Nope, just English players.

 

It's a farcical rule. Incidentally, the idea that you don't have to bring on English players as it would 'inhibit' the manager is a lie, because the rule itself does that. It would be selecting players on the basis of nationality rather than skill. It's f***ing stupid. It's also illegal, and it probably wouldn't hold up if challenged by an aggrieved player who claims his freedom of movement is being restricted.

Edited August 31, 2009 by MFletcher

[meepins]

Break away league looks more likely with these idiots running the show. This can be done but we can't have video evidence being used during a match to get correct decisions because it would be detrimental.

[David Hodgson]

Nope, just English players.

 

It's a farcical rule. Incidentally, the idea that you don't have to bring on English players as it would 'inhibit' the manager is a lie, because the rule itself does that. It would be selecting players on the basis of nationality rather than skill. It's f***ing stupid. It's also illegal, and it probably wouldn't hold up if challenged by an aggrieved player who claims his freedom of movement is being restricted.

 

I can see a manager having to start a match with English kids just to make up the numbers and then having to put 2 subs on 5 minutes after kick off.

[MFletcher]

I can see a manager having to start a match with English kids just to make up the numbers and then having to put 2 subs on 5 minutes after kick off.

 

I've thought that actually. Stick Kelly and Martin in the team and the first time the ball goes out of play you bring on Agger and Reina.

[meepins]

I can see a manager having to start a match with English kids just to make up the numbers and then having to put 2 subs on 5 minutes after kick off.

Theres no chance of that happening regularly - too risky to try that with most of the game still to play. I imagine it would happen occasionally though.

[Paddy T.]

Considering that the rule itself is pretty ridiculous, why not counter argument with the fact that if non-foreign players are favoured it could be seeb as a forn of racism...

Edited August 31, 2009 by Paddy T.

[Rimbeux]

It's basically a plot to reduce the concentration of the better players at the biggest clubs and try and reduce the march of the Champions league to being the premier competition in World football. That it is illegal in the EU is all that is saving us from these deceitful nutters

[David Hodgson]

Theres no chance of that happening regularly - too risky to try that with most of the game still to play. I imagine it would happen occasionally though.

 

it's not as far fetched as it sounds. We currently only have 3 englishmen of first team quality and we'll need to start with 4 next season. Allowing for a couple being out at any one time injured/suspended we're going to need to buy 4 English players of first team standard before next season. It won't happen ,so there may be times when Rafa really has to think about starting with a kid, but making a relatively early change.

[growler]

Long term it sounds great. the problem is the short term impact.

 

Also, as for european law, lets remember that this is still a 'game' and therefore outside normal rules. I would suggest saying that if a club wants to play in the competition, then these are the rules of entry. no one is forcing the club to enter.

 

Finally, there is nothing against squad sizes, just who starts.

 

Just a point, I think the rule is ridiculous. the UEFA one of 4+4 makes a lot more sense, especially when they introduce the controls for transfers of player younger than 18.

[Rimbeux]

Long term it sounds great. the problem is the short term impact.

 

Also, as for european law, lets remember that this is still a 'game' and therefore outside normal rules. I would suggest saying that if a club wants to play in the competition, then these are the rules of entry. no one is forcing the club to enter.

 

Finally, there is nothing against squad sizes, just who starts.

 

Just a point, I think the rule is ridiculous. the UEFA one of 4+4 makes a lot more sense, especially when they introduce the controls for transfers of player younger than 18.

 

I think from start to finish it's a corruption. What is the idea and benefit?

 

Is it for young players? What is the benefit for them, there are only so many jobs for players going and does it basically mean that players from certain countries will get less of a chance to play in the leading leagues.

 

Is this the aim, to reduce the movement of players from league to league? What is the point of that, is it to keep players in their home leagues and some how even up the quality gaps despite the undeniable fact that people across the globe prefer to watch the English league ahead of the Scottish one or the Thai one or the Aussie one?

 

Is the aim to help national teams? How so? If certain countries, certainly African ones will not have as many of their players in the top leagues, and so will the standards of their national teams suffer. Does it therefore mean that the aim is to promote certain national teams and keep certain nationalities in better pay than others.

 

The only benefit I can see is for FIFA and UEFA to reduce the ability of club sides to hire the best players from wherever they can find them and so try and diminish their quality, their success and so their wrold-wide appeal, so leaving the field clear for the glory of the World Cup to s*** on the rise of the Champions League

[Earl Hafler]

it's illegal under european law,

 

It should be to use the word ' upskill ' .