SOS, Munich Songs, the apology

[Sion]

This is the thread that keeps on giving, eh.

 

Some c**** claiming to represent the fans singing songs about Munich to add the the stark realisation that these b******s that own our club are going nowhere

Tell us they're going to do all sorts of things, but end up taking people's money, doing f*** all with it and embarrassing the club...SOS are mirroring the very people they were set up to stop. Seems they're more arsed about piss ups and cheap coach travel for their mates. I'd be furious if i'd paid for membership.

[Sion]

An amateur organisation is exactly what they are, yes. A bunch of lads trying their best

 

It doesn't matter that they're amateurs, it's no excuse. At the end of the day they're opening themselves up to the public for membership fees, claiming they speak for the fans etc... so should take the responsibility that comes with it. You can't just use the 'oh they're just learning' excuse, as that's basically admitting they don't know what they're doing and if they don't know what they're doing, then they shouldn't be doing anything.

 

I've had a number of doubts over the 'union', namely about how it seems to be a bit of a boys club and lacks any real action/allowance for members to have their say about issues... but this is really turning me against them. Do SOS expect us to believe it was just an accident? what were all the aficionados doing whilst this was going on? did not one of them think 'hold on a minute, this is a bit dodgy, i'll pull him off the stage'?

 

Apparently there were people from the club there as well, I just hope they'd left by the time this happened.

Edited June 9, 2009 by Sion

[Maldini]

Spirit of Shankly should be disbanded. That's the final straw. It's been b*****dised and twisted from what it started out as, that's f***ing disgusting and I'm sickened as a red to be associated with that. Call me precious, but you'd think our fans out of everyone in the country would know better.

 

You can say he wasn't planned or whatever, but the guy gets on the stage and chants "Munich! Munich!" repeatedly at the start without being hauled off stage, they let him do it. They have just lost any chance of me supporting them, the f***ing idiots. They had the chance to change the club-supporter relationship forever but they f***ed it up royally. Really f***ing disheartening.

[JRC]

They can organize themselves however they choose, and as I haven't joined it's not for me to say they should disband; I've supported them in principle, but if there is from now on any implication that they are representing the fans in general, then I would be seriously P*ssed. Unfortunately, this shames us all.

 

That kind of thing doesn't happen in my name, and certainly shouldn't be allowed to drag the name of the great man (and great friend of Busby) into the gutter. The apology bears striking similarity to the kind of weasel words we've been hearing from our elected representatives recently as well. Absolutely gut-wrenching.

[carrafan]

Every section of fans has a few c**** hiding in there. There are vile Mancs, Evertonians, Millwall fans...and terrible Liverpool ones. It was a huge mistake, something that a fairly young organisation might not be able to take.

 

I'm absolutely disgusted at what happened (just as i am about the Hillborough garden being vandalised) but in both cases it about a section of fans who're simply vile. SOS deserve to be blamed and will have to shoulder most of it but the whole organisation shouldnt be chastised for a bunch of c**** that every club has.

 

We hear Hillsborough chants lots of times and a lot of Mancs complain about hearing Munich ones. Whites in Russia and Spain making monkey noises at black footballers and brown people from Mumbai doing the same at Symonds in a cricket game. What to do? the INDIVIDUALS have to me made accountable and its upto the governing bodies to develop a better system for it instead passing the poo and blaming someone else.

 

Everyone distancing themselves from the SOS based on this one incident would be the wrong thing to do, imo. SOS are probably quite sorry and see that they've made a mistake. Many of the members there have clubs best interest and heart and simply want us to do well. One can dislike SOS for all sorts of things, bus rides for the locals... ticketing issues whatever, but what happened here shouldnt make us change our opinions about it. The media's going to slaughter us (the FANS) over it though and wouldnt waste a second building links between Hillsborough, Heysel and this. This, when they should be drawing links between the Hillsborough memorial being vandalised and this scene happening and how one can stop a small percentage of fans from ruining the sport.

 

I dont think i feel sorry for the SOS, they should have acted like a professional forum and anticipated the chance of some drunk blurting something wrong out loud in meetings. Do they know how to react and evacuate in case of a fire or know what to do when there's a drunk with a gun on him amongst them? Hope lessons are learnt but this incident might leave a scar forever.

Edited June 10, 2009 by carrafan

[fyds]

Jesus wept. Enough...taking your eye of the ball for so long is one thing, but then kicking us all in ours is another. I've been broadly supportive the whole time but that's it.

[budgie]

Every section of fans has a few c**** hiding in there. There are vile Mancs, Evertonians, Millwall fans...and terrible Liverpool ones. It was a huge mistake, something that a fairly young organisation might not be able to take.

 

I'm absolutely disgusted at what happened (just as i am about the Hillborough garden being vandalised) but in both cases it about a section of fans who're simply vile. SOS deserve to be blamed and will have to shoulder most of it but the whole organisation shouldnt be chastised for a bunch of c**** that every club has.

 

We hear Hillsborough chants lots of times and a lot of Mancs complain about hearing Munich ones. Whites in Russia and Spain making monkey noises at black footballers and brown people from Mumbai doing the same at Symonds in a cricket game. What to do? the INDIVIDUALS have to me made accountable and its upto the governing bodies to develop a better system for it instead passing the poo and blaming someone else.

 

Everyone distancing themselves from the SOS based on this one incident would be the wrong thing to do, imo. SOS are probably quite sorry and see that they've made a mistake. Many of the members there have clubs best interest and heart and simply want us to do well. One can dislike SOS for all sorts of things, bus rides for the locals... ticketing issues whatever, but what happened here shouldnt make us change our opinions about it. The media's going to slaughter us (the FANS) over it though and wouldnt waste a second building links between Hillsborough, Heysel and this. This, when they should be drawing links between the Hillsborough memorial being vandalised and this scene happening and how one can stop a small percentage of fans from ruining the sport.

 

I dont think i feel sorry for the SOS, they should have acted like a professional forum and anticipated the chance of some drunk blurting something wrong out loud in meetings. Do they know how to react and evacuate in case of a fire or know what to do when there's a drunk with a gun on him amongst them? Hope lessons are learnt but this incident might leave a scar forever.

 

 

I agree with the sentiment but my only question is why the guy wasn't taken straight off stage when he chanted at the start. The clip on the web shows that he sang his song for 4 minutes afterwards.

 

If he had been taken offstage immediately there would have been no issue. It's the fact that he was left on inspite of his chanting that is so bad.

[carrafan]

I agree with the sentiment but my only question is why the guy wasn't taken straight off stage when he chanted at the start. The clip on the web shows that he sang his song for 4 minutes afterwards.

 

If he had been taken offstage immediately there would have been no issue. It's the fact that he was left on inspite of his chanting that is so bad.

 

Thats why i raised the bad management point. Apart from the ones who actually chanted with him, most of the lot were left confused with no idea what to do. The organisers needed someone to tell them what to do, a perfect sign of terrible unprofessionalism.

 

Was the singing thing managed by a third party? There could be a chance that they had no idea what the chant was about? I am just guessing, no clue.

 

I'm just looking at the wide picture and hope that the clubs fans wont be brought into shame by everyone just because there are a few knobs in there. This link speaks about two Liverpool fans being stabbed by glum everton ones after their FA cup loss. It doesnt make all everton fans vile, just these two.

Edited June 10, 2009 by carrafan

[Zoob]

Thats why i raised the bad management point. Apart from the ones who actually chanted with him, most of the lot were left confused with no idea what to do. The organisers needed someone to tell them what to do, a perfect sign of terrible unprofessionalism.

 

Was the singing thing managed by a third party? There could be a chance that they had no idea what the chant was about? I am just guessing, no clue.

 

I'm just looking at the wide picture and hope that the clubs fans wont be brought into shame by everyone just because there are a few knobs in there. This link speaks about two Liverpool fans being stabbed by glum everton ones after their FA cup loss. It doesnt make all everton fans vile, just these two.

 

Problem is, this didn't happen at some random meeting of fans. It happened at an event put on by SOS who are supposed to represent the fans and the best interests of the club. The plan to bombard calls to Tesco call centres was unprofessional. This is beyond that. I still can't believe the organisers didn't take him off stage after the initial chanting. The more I think about it, the more sick it makes me feel. It's about as far from the 'Spirit of Shankly' as you could get, and visually, the image of that idiot chanting and then singing about Munich while standing infront of the huge SOS screen. Can't really get much worse than that.

[New York Red]

What a bunch of scumbags. That's terrible. They should have dragged that prick off the stage the moment he chanted "Munich".

[Maldini]

I said this over on TLW already, but them allowing this to happen has brought more shame on our club than anything G&H have done.

[Stevie H]

the SOS statement and reaction has been nothing short of pathetic to be honest. be interesting to see how many members renew memberships next year and whether or not SOS is actually arsed about that. i don't really think they will be.

[muleskinner]

I said this over on TLW already, but them allowing this to happen has brought more shame on our club than anything G&H have done.

 

Think you have over reacted somewhat there. As bad as it is and looks, it has been sung at games for years and years by certain groups of people, and a fair few on here admit to joining in at certain times. Comparing it to the havoc wrought by the owners is wrong.

[Falconhoof]

They have taken on the mantle of Bill Shankly though. They have used his name and have sought approval from his family (grandaughter I believe?). They could have just called themselves a Union or some other collective name but they reached for higher things by taking his name.

There should have been a bit more thought, a bit more care and respect just because of the name alone but they haven't got a f***ing clue what they are doing.

[mofus77]

Think you have over reacted somewhat there. As bad as it is and looks, it has been sung at games for years and years by certain groups of people, and a fair few on here admit to joining in at certain times. Comparing it to the havoc wrought by the owners is wrong.

 

 

The difference is that this group has, even by the name chosen, set out to be a representative of the fans and a proponent of the ideals and values that made this club great. This incident is abhorrent, it wasn't chanted on a terrace, as it was at an official SOS function and should've been cut short immediately.

 

As far as I'm aware, for all the dodgy moves they've pulled and lies they're told, G&H have never disrespected the dead in such a fashion.

[smithdown]

As bad as it is and looks, it has been sung at games for years and years by certain groups of people, and a fair few on here admit to joining in at certain times.

 

Afaicr, that's a bit harsh. Not heard much mention of Munich at the match for years personally, and those on here who have admitted singing it in a very different situation to a p1ss up with the lads.

[Stevie H]

notwithstanding anyone's views of munich singing in general, it was f***ing moronic of the lad to do it at an SOS event. really, really f***ing stupid.

[Swipe]

Don't want to even look up the video online. Don't want to give the whole vile affair my time.

[aka Dus]

They have taken on the mantle of Bill Shankly though. They have used his name and have sought approval from his family (grandaughter I believe?). They could have just called themselves a Union or some other collective name but they reached for higher things by taking his name.

There should have been a bit more thought, a bit more care and respect just because of the name alone but they haven't got a f***ing clue what they are doing.

 

That's the shameful thing. To anyone watching, this has been done in Shankly's name.

 

A disgraceful betrayal.

[Roscoe]

this is at best very unfortunate. going to be very hard for SOS to distance themselves from this. no doubt the lad is dead proud of himself but Nicky Alt must be mortified.

[leveller]

shocking....can't quite believe that anybody could be that stupid.....and then to put it on youtube....I've had little time for SOS since they declared their representation of ALL fans and became a multi-issue union, however any shred of credibility that they had has just gone.

[smithdown]

We don't need plassy ultras, that's for sure.

[Molby]

That's the shameful thing. To anyone watching, this has been done in Shankly's name.

 

A disgraceful betrayal.

 

 

what the f***ing hell are you talking about you drama queen? you and everyone else

 

nobody is pleased about what happened

everyone is mortified

 

but the reaction on here beggars belief-a few pissed up lads that didnt get dragged off very quickly

 

so who's going to pay for security, you?

 

I feel a Few Good Men Speech coming on but it's not worth it

 

 

you lot carry on pontificating - it beats actually trying to get anything done doesn't it?

 

what's shameful is that far more energy has been put in by our own suporters pulling SOS apart than trying to help the cause

[aka Dus]

Think you have over reacted somewhat there. As bad as it is and looks, it has been sung at games for years and years by certain groups of people, and a fair few on here admit to joining in at certain times. Comparing it to the havoc wrought by the owners is wrong.

 

[Woodsyla]

notwithstanding anyone's views of munich singing in general, it was f***ing moronic of the lad to do it at an SOS event. really, really f***ing stupid.

I know, I've never got on with SOS mainly over the whole Thomas Cook fiasco but this is just ridiculous.