Snookie Posted May 25, 2009 Posted May 25, 2009 I'd never thought much of Shearer up until recently. He was a great centre-forward and all that but watching him on television sprouting platitudes somehow made that all seem so distant. When you are the inane, boring one in a studio with Lineker, Hansen and Lawerson it doesn't say a whole lot for your analytic abilities. But since he's taken the Newcastle job, my opinion has changed. He's spoken with intelligence, insight and passion. He's been honest in his assessment of the players, owners and his own performance. And throughout he has demonstrated an understanding of the importance of having a set of values in any club. He may not be a great manger, but he has shown the character of a good football man. Thoughts?
Ste M Posted May 25, 2009 Posted May 25, 2009 I think his time at Newcastle will have opened his eyes to how difficult it can be, but I think the bug will have bitten him. He might be better served to drop down to League 1 or League 2, learn his trade there and see how hard it is operating with a very small or even non-existent budget, a tiny squad, and how it feels to lose regularly. I agree about how he's come across, although I've always liked him, he was a fantastic player, and is well known for being witty, warm, and above all having a real sense of morality and character (his t***ting of Keith Gillespie not withstanding, although he did it for the right reasons). He knows the game, he commands respect (as Keane did, but without the sense of self worth), and he's passionate. He could make a fantastic manager, and shares a lot of similar traits with Carra, who many expect to make a very good manager one day.
smithdown Posted May 25, 2009 Posted May 25, 2009 He managed to coax a 1-1 draw against someone and a lucky win against Boro out of that side in his eight games.
Rimbeux Posted May 25, 2009 Posted May 25, 2009 He's been arrogant enough to believe he didn't have to go down the leagues to learn his trade, he's been found out. Managing people well is very very difficult in a well run organisaton let alone one as corrupted as Newcastle. He really should be learning how to get the best out his staff somewhere much lower profile where he can learn from his mistakes without huge expectation, maybe this is something he will now understand, if he still wants to be a manager.
kenny7 Posted May 25, 2009 Posted May 25, 2009 I think Newcastle would be a decent place to send some of our youngsters next season, players like Spearing, Darby, Plessis, Ngog (Depending on who we sign) and Nemeth. Get them used to playing in front of a reasonable number of 'supporters', playing under (unreasonably) large expectations with the pressures that go with it.
stressederic Posted May 25, 2009 Posted May 25, 2009 I thought Shearer was a complete prick before he took over at Newcastle. Nothing has changed.
Rimbeux Posted May 25, 2009 Posted May 25, 2009 I think Newcastle would be a decent place to send some of our youngsters next season, players like Spearing, Darby, Plessis, Ngog (Depending on who we sign) and Nemeth. Get them used to playing in front of a reasonable number of 'supporters', playing under (unreasonably) large expectations with the pressures that go with it. That's a fair point. Chances are they will be looking at a lot of loans and trying to shift on people to get some money in. I think they need someone like Steve Coppell who knows a lot about the division
Nebraska Red Posted May 25, 2009 Posted May 25, 2009 he was a fool for allowing himself to be talked into taking the job when he did. whatever status he had before, he will now be known as the manager who took them down, despite the fact it was not his fault. if I was him, I'd walk away and go back to punditry. the pay is as good and the pressure is non existent. if they are not careful, Newcastle could easily slide into obscurity, they have a hell of a lot of work to do before the yare getting back to the PL.
Frosty Jack Posted May 25, 2009 Posted May 25, 2009 It would take a miracle for them to be promoted next season. I hope they don't freefall as besides 6 easy points for us they are a real club, and no matter how many complain about how irritating their fans and their delusions, can be, they're not Leeds. And I think it benefits the league as a spectacle, having high spending clubs with lofty ambitions who win f*** all. Makes for better season previews. However i'm glad Boro went down, they are and always were a waste of a league place.
Rimbeux Posted May 25, 2009 Posted May 25, 2009 he was a fool for allowing himself to be talked into taking the job when he did. whatever status he had before, he will now be known as the manager who took them down, despite the fact it was not his fault. if I was him, I'd walk away and go back to punditry. the pay is as good and the pressure is non existent. if they are not careful, Newcastle could easily slide into obscurity, they have a hell of a lot of work to do before the yare getting back to the PL. He's been waiting to be offered the job since he quit playing. He's turned his nose up at coaching roles at the club, being groomed to take over etc and not wanted to go and learn his stuff elsewhere, he was waiting for them to come to him and offer him the managers job and he took it, now has what he wanted, how well he does long term is to be seen.
Sion Posted May 25, 2009 Posted May 25, 2009 4 points in 8 games, 1 win, against probably the only side worse than them...and he's still being lauded by the fans. They deserve everything they get. They'd rather have Shearer, who has proved nothing, than someone with championship experience. You'd think they'd learn.
Rimbeux Posted May 25, 2009 Posted May 25, 2009 4 points in 8 games, 1 win, against probably the only side worse than them...and he's still being lauded by the fans. They deserve everything they get. They'd rather have Shearer, who has proved nothing, than someone with championship experience. You'd think they'd learn. I think the fans got what they asked for and with it these consequences, they are in it with the owner when it comes to reasons why
Tommy Cockles Posted May 25, 2009 Posted May 25, 2009 I think the fans got what they asked for and with it these consequences, they are in it with the owner when it comes to reasons why Well quite. The fact is that their d*ckhead of a chairmen reacted to some of their d*ckhead fans singing "you don't know what you're doing" and canned Allardyce. Who, whilst being himself the world's leading d*ckhead, would have had them finish mid table.
Cam Posted May 25, 2009 Posted May 25, 2009 Ashley got too close to the fans. Let's face it... we make all kinds of calls, judgements & demands but we haven't got a clue what we're doing. Ashley's big downfall was listening to the fans. Allardyce is many things (a ****, a **** and a **** to name just three) but he ain't a pensioner who's been out of the game for 10 years and he ain't a telly pundit with no experience. He'd have kept them up, made the unpopular decisions re. players, brought in his own men and challenged consistently for UEFA Cup places. Their demands for a Geordie to lead them is ridiculous. Who's left? Shearer and Bruce. With English players being squeezed out of the game who is going to manage them in the future? They have no clue about football. Fancy football and winning does come automatically come together. Ask Wenger. If Benitez or Mourinho went there and thus guaranteed a much greater chance of winning but with pragmatic football (sometimes fancy, sometimes ugly) they'd go ape****. The Geordies wanted Allardyce out and who gave them the 'right' to be so demanding? Alan Shearer, that's who. Shearer himself with his demands over the likes of Gullit and Robson. They're only acting like their idol. If he can kick someone in the face (Lennon) and then use the chav-excuse of "I didn't do anything" whilst cowardly threatening the FA then why can't they kick their own club where it hurts and not accept any blame? Alan Shearer The Manager had the balls to take the job. Sure, he poisoned others by sitting there and biding his time. Sure, the timing was all about making sure he couldn't be held responsible. But he had a go in a way other telly-cowards like Gray, Nicholas, Merson and Redknapp never would. However, Alan Shearer The Player had a part in their downfall; eager to pick up the money whilst not winning a thing... setting the standards for the current squad. Happy to snipe away oblivious to the longterm damage. Many mistakes have been made by Dalglish, Souness, Wise, Gullit, even Allardyce & Robson (what a young English team he was building though) but Alan Shearer The Player and Mike Ashley (not listening to Chris Mort and thinking the fans would love him for doing what they want) are two much bigger blame-sharers. However, their idiotic, borderline racist fans are the main reason they're where they are. The club are spiralling into a Leeds situation and they believe only Alan Shearer or Steve Bruce can help. Mentals. How many will stay with them for the glory games against Peterborough & Sc***horpe?
magic melia Posted May 25, 2009 Posted May 25, 2009 I thought Shearer was a complete prick before he took over at Newcastle. Nothing has changed.Very true in my opinion he was appointed just to keep bums on seats for the relagation run in and season ticket renewals as i dont expect a new no 9 signing to fool the delluded masses
stressederic Posted May 25, 2009 Posted May 25, 2009 Also I had a rant about Shearer back when we won away at Pompey and I'm not about to reverse my opinion of him now that he's actually been relegated.
BG Posted May 26, 2009 Posted May 26, 2009 4 points in 8 games, 1 win, against probably the only side worse than them...and he's still being lauded by the fans. They deserve everything they get. They'd rather have Shearer, who has proved nothing, than someone with championship experience. You'd think they'd learn. Not that it changes much but wasn't it 5 points in 8 games (beat Borough, draw at Stoke, draw with Pompey?)
StevieC Posted May 26, 2009 Posted May 26, 2009 Their demands for a Geordie to lead them is ridiculous. Who's left? Shearer and Bruce. Seen at Villa Park: "who's the next Messiah? Ant or Dec?"
ManxRed Posted May 26, 2009 Posted May 26, 2009 They're not going to attract many quality names playing in the Championship, and when their gates fall off (Best Fans In The World ) and revenue goes down they could do a 'Leeds/Forest/Southampton' if they're not careful.
DanielS Posted May 26, 2009 Posted May 26, 2009 They're not going to attract many quality names playing in the Championship, and when their gates fall off (Best Fans In The World ) and revenue goes down they could do a 'Leeds/Forest/Southampton' if they're not careful. One can only hope.
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