Disgusted to see so many 'Rafa-out' heads around

[Mr Makaveli]

People said they would be happy to challenge for the title but since we are now slipping from it, they all want Rafa out anyway.... even though he's so far achieving more than we thought we would this year...

 

God knows , if Real beat us th emorons will be out in masses.

[Mike]

needed to be said.

[Florist Cinema Pond Goal]

E-morons should be a commonly used term.

[AJ The Red]

I can understand where people are coming from although i have more patients but its wearing a bit.

 

We seem to be a 2 man team , we have played poorly all season long.I can count on my thumbs the amount of good displays we have had , it is getting some people down with all the rest of the crap in the background and our infamous clown still at the club.

 

But it aint over yet , 2 weeks and we will know where we stand for the season

[Stanley Leisure]

i have more patients but its wearing a bit.

 

 

AJ, yesterday.

 

[AJ The Red]

[Archangel]

At the heart of this is an understanding of what the role of the fan should be. Do you simply adopt the see no evil, speak no evil hear no evil approach, or do you try to hold a rationale debate on the rights and wrongs of an issue to see if there's any common ground or way forward. To me it seems that there are alot of people who dont want this discussion because they are afraid of it.

 

I have an opinion, but i know from experience that i dont get things right and that i can usually benefit from the insights of others, I always thought that thats the reason to have a forum. I'm more likely to be persuaded by people who argue that Benitez's vision of football which found expression in the wonderful Valencia side that i saw rip us apart a few years ago at the Mestalla will be recreated at Liverpool given a bit more time and encouragement than some of the dummy spitting antics, irrelevant point scoring and trollish abuse that has gone on

 

On the other hand you might not care the f***

[DJS]

It's actually not about winning the title, contesting it or otherwise.

 

I judge him by how close he gets to bringing the best out of our squad and achieving as much as possible, compared to what the capability of the squad is.

[Frosty Jack]

At the heart of this is an understanding of what the role of the fan should be. Do you simply adopt the see no evil, speak no evil hear no evil approach, or do you try to hold a rationale debate on the rights and wrongs of an issue to see if there's any common ground or way forward.....

 

..or do you back Hicks and Gillette and criticize the manager for the last 18 months since joining the forum?

[Red]

I'm not too bothered with forum members wanting Rafa' out, I just disagree with their point of view, but what does worry me greatly is having one of our owners sharing that same view.

[Siang]

there's always 2-sides to a coin...

 

if you dont like what others have to say, just ignore the thread and have some banter in other threads...

 

that's my policy anyway...

[New York Red]

He isn't beyond reproach. He's had five years. He has not been dealt a good hand with having to deal with this bizarre triumverate of Hicks, Gillett and Parry.

[Farmer's Tan]

if we started in 5th and went on a good run and ended up in second and in with a shot at the title i think most people would be creamin themselves,but because we through away a healthy lead its the end of the world,too many skysports pundit posters for me.At the start of the season what did most people hope for or expect?did you expect to win the title,well if you did you might not be tuned into reality,how about a shot at the title,considering we have been fighting for 4th and 3rd places for the last 4 seasons,this season we have been top for a long time and slipped to second because like it or lump it united are the best team in the country,thats not rafa's fault.

 

whiskey has been sitting pretty building united up for the last 20yrs,they drop 20mil on a newborn without blinking,for us its record signing.rafa's up against a brilliant manager with huge resourses and a s*** ton of experience,he has the backing of the club and doesn't have to deal with bs from glazier or anyone else.we go top the club and fans implode,we slip to second and its rafa out,running battles behind the scenes as well as on the stands,none of this is conducive to winning a title.there is simply too much bulls*** going on the win anything.

 

what i'd love to see from rafa providing he's still with us next season is to throw the kitchen sink at teams when we are drawing,like we did against city,if we had done that against the hulls and stokes and and the others we would be in a far better position now i feel.

[Siang]

He isn't beyond reproach. He's had five years. He has not been dealt a good hand with having to deal with this bizarre triumverate of Hicks, Gillett and Parry.

 

his 5-yrs here was surrounded by a clown of a CEO, an owner who didn't know one of his ex-star slugger was taking steroids and another owner who's not talking to his co-owner/partner ...

 

not to mentioned he had to take 2 yrs (i maybe wrong), to clear whatever deadwood that needed clearing..

 

given this, and we are still in it with only 12 matches to go, i'd say Senor Rafa had done a f**king fabulous job . . my opinion of course...

 

you'd think D'Antoni will be sacked next season if the Knicks started 0-20 or the Yanks dumping Girardi before the ALL-STAR break this season if the Yanks start off badly with the pitching addition that they have now...

[John am Rhein]

People said they would be happy to challenge for the title but since we are now slipping from it, they all want Rafa out anyway.... even though he's so far achieving more than we thought we would this year...

 

God knows , if Real beat us th emorons will be out in masses.

 

It is indeed disgusting - the idea that the manager hasn't won the League, therefore we need a new manager.

 

That attitude, if acted upon, will see us slip down to being a mid-table (or worse) club in the long term. And with the kind of people currently in charge of the club it might well be acted upon.

[Igors Uncle Dave]

As has been said a number of times here, Rafa has had some time with the Liverpool way now. He has been adopted by the fans and given 100% backing by them. The back room debacle is reaching a point now where someone has to go and I fear it will be Rafa sooner rather than later. Parry, Hicks and Gillette have all but killed the club that we knew, the proud standing and reputation build over generations is now on the rocks.

 

I guess we all feel sorry for ourselves because soon we will not be able so say we have won more league titles than you or more European cups than the manc. We are watching our dream and our heros starting to fall in front of our very eyes. Hicks, Gillette and Parry have been instrumental in this but you must also give some responsibility to Rafa.

 

I love Rafa to pieces but FFS I get so frustrated at times, more often than now, with his team selections and substitutions. He is stubbord, too stubborn for his own good. He will place a system to death during games and will not allow changes to be made until it is too late. He will play players for the sake of his own pride (Lucas) even whenit is obvious to the footballing world and the fans alike that he can not cut it.

 

For the Rafa backers I applaud you but just like Rafa and his selections there has to come a time when enough is enough and you must change for the good of the club. Support Rafa or the club, there is no one bigger than the club. Or is there?

 

Rafa is one of the most respected managers around, true. He has won a couple of trophies and brought us Torres, true. On the other hand he has also allowed huge gap at the top of the table be lost since Christmas and we see far too many draws. We play relatively attractive football at times and seldom get beat, could a little more attacking from the start change our league position or do we continually have to wait to go a goal down? When was the last time we slaughtered someone? And the time before?

 

For me I would like nothing more than to see the three clowns go before Rafa, I would love to see Rafa given a huge wad of cash to build the side and create a team that we can all be proud of. Allowing players like Lucas to build their trade in the ressies like years ago. Build a team that people can be proud to come to and not just the wage packet. For now however, this is just a dream and it wont happen. The laughing American clowns will not be going for a few months yet. Who will go first? Time will tell.

 

For now I continue to back Rafa but I continue to be frustrated by his rotation and team selection.

 

Just a thought

[John am Rhein]

I love Rafa to pieces but FFS I get so frustrated at times, more often than now, with his team selections and substitutions. He is stubbord, too stubborn for his own good. He will place a system to death during games and will not allow changes to be made until it is too late. He will play players for the sake of his own pride (Lucas) even whenit is obvious to the footballing world and the fans alike that he can not cut it.

 

He's made changes to great effect on numerous occasions so there's no doubt that he's able to do that. If it's his judgement in a given situation that continuing with the current line-up or formation is more likely to bring success and it doesn't end with us winning the game then it doesn't follow that the opposite decision would have brought success and saying so is nothing more than second guessing. Results over a long period of time show that his judgement is better than almost anybody else's. He's not too stubborn, but rather has the right amount of stubbornness - which is a good thing.

[Igors Uncle Dave]

By continually playing Lucas when it he is obviously out of his depth is not a good managerial decision. Spearing for the ressies has been playing well, why not allow him the chance to play a cameo part in a game? At least allow the lad to blood himself in the first team, I dont feel he would look or perform any worse than Lucas.

[cymrococh]

By continually playing Lucas when it he is obviously out of his depth is not a good managerial decision. Spearing for the ressies has been playing well, why not allow him the chance to play a cameo part in a game? At least allow the lad to blood himself in the first team, I dont feel he would look or perform any worse than Lucas.

Because it's too important.

 

Whatever you think of Lucas he has got top-flight experience and big-game experience. Spearing could get completely overwhelmed very easily.

[muleskinner]

Because it's too important.

 

Whatever you think of Lucas he has got top-flight experience and big-game experience. Spearing could get completely overwhelmed very easily.

 

Whereas Lucas is putting in decent performances and pressing for inclusion on regular basis? He is showing absolutely nothing at the moment.

 

As poor a central midfielder as I have seen at Liverpool.

[Albertini]

Because it's too important.

 

Whatever you think of Lucas he has got top-flight experience and big-game experience. Spearing could get completely overwhelmed very easily.

 

The same could be said for any ressie player, irrespective of how good they are. At one point do you give one of the young lads a chance if you think they are going to get overwhelmed? You'd never bring any player through the ranks!

 

Another scenario may be that these young lads step up and fit in quite nicely.

 

Using your logic Carra, Owen & Gerrard would naver have got a game.

 

In relation to Lucas i do not see what he offers over and above what Guthrie offered and for a club tight for cash to spend £7 million on a player who appears to be no better than one young home grown lad seems a strange decision.

 

Would also have helped keeping Guthrie for the CL home grown rules coming in next year as well.

[Bailo]

As poor a central midfielder as I have seen at Liverpool.

Say what you want about Lucas, but to rank him alongside Cheyrou, Diao, Biscan, Stewart, Leonhardsen et al is sheer madness.

[Barnesy_10]

His stubbornness is what irritates me at the moment, subs, tactics are all too predictable and allows the likes of Phil Brown to come to our stadium and get a result. I am pissed off that we have blown it this season when we had such a good opportunity to capitalise on our competitions poor start. But obviously the stuff behind the scenes isn't helping matters at all.

[Bailo]

His stubbornness is what irritates me at the moment, subs, tactics are all too predictable and allows the likes of Phil Brown to come to our stadium and get a result. I am pissed off that we have blown it this season when we had such a good opportunity to capitalise on our competitions poor start. But obviously the stuff behind the scenes isn't helping matters at all.

It is to Rafa's eternal credit that we are even within touching distance of Utd with what is going on in the background.

[longtimered]

I agree that there is somewhat of a kneejerk reaction match by match.I think what disappoints people is the drawn games that should be winnable 90% of the time-other years it was the top teams which caused more problems.There is a believe that we dont risk losing in order to take a chance of winning.4 draws and 2 defeats is obviously better than 6 draws.

 

The contract issue being played out in the public arena-and Rafa appears at least 50% responsible for all the leaks -have aliented a lot of people in terms of Rafa the person rather than as manager.Constant politics in the public domain isnt good for anyone.

 

The time to take stock is at season's end when it should be clear whether the team and squad are still making progress.If it is well and good even if no silverwear ends up at Anfield.