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[mattster]

It's a joke, this is a forum, use it to express your views. Unless a post deeply offends or is so obviously ridiculous it's laughable, why do people need to show some sort of veiled loyalty to Rafa?

I think the man is an outstanding manager, but today gives the doubters a right good excuse to highlight his failings, and although a 0-0 draw against Stoke away isn't going to destroy our title aspirations, the result was on the cards with the announcement of the starting eleven.

Our manager doesn't need empty praise, leading to criticism - just give him what he deserves, which is a roasting. Rafa was nothing short of an idiot today. Yes, we were all made up with his recent interview, but today's team selection was a disgrace. Kuyt is a dog, always has been. You play him on the right or leave him on the bench, what is going on with Keane?

Everyone was raving about Lucas after the Newcastle match, when he did well, but ffs, the guy is not a Liverpool player, why can't some of you see that. I was pulled up the other week for saying he gives stupid free kicks away in dangerous areas all to often! Today was yet another exapmle of that, I would love to see us get rid of him in the summer, he stinks the place out and I don't even see this guy as a squad player. Strange thing is, I reckon someone would pay near £10million for the donkey.

Today was a timely reminder of how poor we can be, and when we delve too deep into the squad, the quality just isn't there. Granted, Alonso was badly missed today, having been critical of some of his performances over the last two years, I don't think there is a more important individual in our team than Xabi at the moment - he sets everything up and is back in the sort of form that had us all raving about him in that first season.

Learn your lesson Rafa, this is the best chance we have had of winning this league for so many years and, for all the praise you rightly deserve for turning our club around, don't undo the good work with that increasingly annoying stubborn streak.

Onwards and upwards, I suppose - rant over.

Edited January 10, 2009 by mattster

[Gunga Din]

it looks from the outside looking in that there is something wrong regarding Keane. Kuyt as a lone striker has never worked in any other game. has he ever scored playing as a one? Gerrard didnt rescue us today and we were far too predictable. Play Torres from the start and take him off when he is tired. play midfielders that will run forward and find space. we missed Alonso badly today, mascherano isnt playing well and Lucas stank the place out. it was a bad day at the office, but it is happening oo frequently. people keep pointing out that we are top of the league, but the Mancs are sitting pretty now, and if they win tommorrow, then they are in the box seat, not us

[mattster]

Isn't it crazy, though, to keep playing Kuyt in that role? Do you know what, I would half prefer to see Babel doing that job, at least he would frighten opposition defenders with his raw pace.

[Gunga Din]

Isn't it crazy, though, to keep playing Kuyt in that role? Do you know what, I would half prefer to see Babel doing that job, at least he would frighten opposition defenders with his raw pace.

 

 

absolutley agree. kuyt hasnt got the pace nor the movement to play as a lone striker. I'd swap kuyt or Keane for Crouch right now in a player only deal.

[MFletcher]

If there is one thing you can't criticise Kuyt for it's movement.

 

Lest we forget that this was the same front six, except with the replacement of the ineffective Babel for Riera, that t****** five past the Barcodes and should have put twelve past them.

[Gunga Din]

If there is one thing you can't criticise Kuyt for it's movement.

 

Lest we forget that this was the same front six, except with the replacement of the ineffective Babel for Riera, that t****** five past the Barcodes and should have put twelve past them.

 

 

movement in and around the 6 yard box is not Kuyts greatest talent. yeah, he'll run all day, but top class strikers get themselves extra yards and extra space in the box from movement. kuyt doesnt. as a lone striker he just doesnt do the job. he doesnt score. he drifts wide or drops back when we dont have the ball leaving no one in a central striking position.

[MFletcher]

You just can't criticise Kuyt's movement. It's one of the best parts of his game.

[Gunga Din]

You just can't criticise Kuyt's movement. It's one of the best parts of his game.

 

in and around the box it really isnt. and if you think its one of the best parts of his game then you i would love to see what you think is his worst. for movement see Torres, Van Nistelrooy, Fowler. not Dirk fecking Kuyt

[Spike]

like Robbie Keane warm ups

[Earl Hafler]

You just can't criticise Kuyt's movement. It's one of the best parts of his game.

 

Movement and effort are different things

[MFletcher]

Movement in a footballing sense.

Edited January 11, 2009 by MFletcher

[kop205]

why do people need to show some sort of veiled loyalty to Rafa?

 

I think the man is an outstanding manager, but...

 

Our manager doesn't need empty praise, leading to criticism - just give him what he deserves, which is a roasting.

 

 

Isn't the bit in bold exactly the kind of thing that your whole post was complaining about?

[domlfc]

 

Isn't the bit in bold exactly the kind of thing that your whole post was complaining about?

Thought it was a quality post myself, well worth reading and instead of saying something constructive you come out with the above. Pathetic!

[kop205]

Thought it was a quality post myself, well worth reading and instead of saying something constructive you come out with the above. Pathetic!

 

Thought it said absolutely nothing deserving of its own thread.

 

The only 'new' angle was the bit about people feeling that they have to tread carefully when they have a go at Rafa.

 

Why aren't people entitled to qualify their critism of Benitez's selections with the statement that they actually rate the guy as a manager and he has their backing? Especially when the original poster then does does exactly the same thing as he was supposedly railing against?

 

Beyond that, it said nothing that couldn't have been posted in one of the other two threads that were already open, doing essentially the same thing - sounding off about the game yesterday.

 

Regardless of whether the post makes any valid points (and the lad obviously has issues backing the players if he describes Kuyt as a 'dog' - now that is pathetic), it was the attention-seeking nature of it that riled me.

Edited January 11, 2009 by kop205

[Chili Palmer]

Thought it said absolutely nothing deserving of its own thread.

 

The only 'new' angle was the bit about people feeling that they have to tread carefully when they have a go at Rafa.

 

Why aren't people entitled to qualify their critism of Benitez's selections with the statement that they actually rate the guy as a manager and he has their backing? Especially when the original poster then does does exactly the same thing as he was supposedly railing against?

 

Beyond that, it said nothing that couldn't have been posted in one of the other two threads that were already open, doing essentially the same thing - sounding off about the game yesterday.

 

Regardless of whether the post makes any valid points (and the lad obviously has issues backing the players if he describes Kuyt as a 'dog' - now that is pathetic), it was the attention-seeking nature of it that riled me.

 

agree with that

[domlfc]

Thought it said absolutely nothing deserving of its own thread.

 

The only 'new' angle was the bit about people feeling that they have to tread carefully when they have a go at Rafa.

 

Why aren't people entitled to qualify their critism of Benitez's selections with the statement that they actually rate the guy as a manager and he has their backing? Especially when the original poster then does does exactly the same thing as he was supposedly railing against?

 

Beyond that, it said nothing that couldn't have been posted in one of the other two threads that were already open, doing essentially the same thing - sounding off about the game yesterday.

 

Regardless of whether the post makes any valid points (and the lad obviously has issues backing the players if he describes Kuyt as a 'dog' - now that is pathetic), it was the attention-seeking nature of it that riled me.

That's better. Attention seeking, how? He does not say anywhere in his post 'i love Rafa but' which is what so many tend to say before they then go on and get really stuck in to Rafa! Yes he does say that Rafa is an outstanding manager but in the context of the argument i thought that was fair enough. I am positive that we all back our players 100% and that Mattster is just expressing his opinion that we could do better than Kuyt and Lucas, anyway I thought it was a well constructed post that said just have a go at Rafa without feeling like you have to defend yourself.

Edited January 11, 2009 by domlfc

[Owen1978]

I dont post much due to people just shoving your opinions back down your throat without a contructive discussion,

The views i have had never changed but dont express them much do to the tongue bashing you get from superfans!

 

Views such as;

 

* Kuyt is not good enough, maybe just about a squad player but never automatic/indespensible first teamer

defo a c*ck up by rafa, 12m for a striker and ending up to have in play on the wing. For me he is too slow,

lacks creativity, guile for a right sided player!

 

* Babel another waste of money! He's far better on the left than on the right. He has pace & strength but lacks

the intelligence & decision making, & imo i dont think he's a skillfull player such as riera.

 

* The PL is all about attacking, due to a majority of the teams being well organised, what these teams lack in talent

the make up with hard work & strength. You need creativty and guile to break these teams down something most

of us have been saying all summer.

 

* Why did he waster 7m on a LB when, we had one playing in the reserves? Considering were a bit low on £

wouldnt you normally check what you have and what you can work with before splashing the cash?

Edited January 11, 2009 by Owen1978

[Coyler]

You'd think if you were saving your posts up like that you'd actually wait for a game where Dossena was involved, Kuyt the striker played on the right, and Babel started with Riera on the bench.

[Chili Palmer]

You'd think if you were saving your posts up like that you'd actually wait for a game where Dossena was involved, Kuyt the striker played on the right, and Babel started with Riera on the bench.

 

 

timing is everything...

[scoose]

You'd think if you were saving your posts up like that you'd actually wait for a game where Dossena was involved, Kuyt the striker played on the right, and Babel started with Riera on the bench.

 

why? the dossena point is very valid even now.

Edited January 11, 2009 by scoose

[John am Rhein]

It's a joke, this is a forum, use it to express your views. Unless a post deeply offends or is so obviously ridiculous it's laughable, why do people need to show some sort of veiled loyalty to Rafa?

 

Because he's manager of Liverpool FC.

 

I'm not Rafa's biggest fan but he's a legend - even more so after his long overdue attack on Ferguson and Scum U

[FC Showster]

why? the dossena point is very valid even now.

 

Dossena would have been a bigger attacking threat yesterday than Aurelio. I know it was his first game back but I was really disappointed how little either full back ventured forward. With Benny tucking in on the right and Albert left 1 v 2 on the left it there was no-one for the midfield to pass to

[Murphman]

absolutley agree. kuyt hasnt got the pace nor the movement to play as a lone striker. I'd swap kuyt or Keane for Crouch right now in a player only deal.

 

 

Crouch is slower than Kuyt, how does that work then? I'd swap Lucas for a packet of crisps ,his performance yesterday was truly awful, Mascherano was poor but f*ck me Lucas had a shocker.

 

We look crap whenever Alonso is out, he's become just as key as Gerrard IMO.

[Gunga Din]

Crouch is slower than Kuyt, how does that work then? I'd swap Lucas for a packet of crisps ,his performance yesterday was truly awful, Mascherano was poor but f*ck me Lucas had a shocker.

 

We look crap whenever Alonso is out, he's become just as key as Gerrard IMO.

 

because crouch scores goals, he has a better first touch which means he can hold the ball up and bring others into play. Kuyt does neither of these things and therefore as a lone striker is pretty ineffective.

[Earl Hafler]

 

Isn't the bit in bold exactly the kind of thing that your whole post was complaining about?

 

That's not part of his opinion, that's what he's complaining about. Just lacking speech marks.