Right, our skipper and our beloved manager..

[Murphman]

Speaking as an old fecker who's watched liverpool for about 45 years I have decided...

 

1. Steven Gerrad is already the best player I've ever seen wear our famous red shirt. Apologies to The King Kenny but it's now the truth in my considered opinion.

 

2. If we win the league this year Rafa's achievements put him at the same level as Bill and Bob.

 

Nostalgia influences how you feel about comparisons, old gits like me always reckon their boyhood heroes (feck off Kahnee) were better than the current crop but I believe this generation are witnessing legends such as we've rarely seen, throw Carra and Sami into that mix too..

 

Houllier deserves a mention for getting it all going again but we really are the fortunate ones.

 

That is all......

[anny road]

Speaking as an old fecker who's watched liverpool for about 45 years I have decided...

 

1. Steven Gerrad is already the best player I've ever seen wear our famous red shirt. Apologies to The King Kenny but it's now the truth in my considered opinion.

 

2. If we win the league this year Rafa's achievements put him at the same level as Bill and Bob.

 

Nostalgia influences how you feel about comparisons, old gits like me always reckon their boyhood heroes (feck off Kahnee) were better than the current crop but I believe this generation are witnessing legends such as we've rarely seen, throw Carra and Sami into that mix too..

 

Houllier deserves a mention for getting it all going again but we really are the fortunate ones.

 

That is all......

 

i watched the CL final last night drunk and declared Ste the best ever

 

However, Sober Kenny wins

[Rory Fitzgerald]

As a red of only 29yrs of age I am intrigued by this debate - especially Gerrard vs the King.

 

I remember 3-4 yrs ago people were not sure if Gerrard was better than Souness and now we are at the stage were the arl gits ( ) are debating if he is the best ever.

 

Seriously, let the debate continue - and if you think Gerrard is not above the King - just how far is he behind and what does he need to do to surpass him.

[anny road]

As a red of only 29yrs of age I am intrigued by this debate - especially Gerrard vs the King.

 

I remember 3-4 yrs ago people were not sure if Gerrard was better than Souness and now we are at the stage were the arl gits ( ) are debating if he is the best ever.

 

Seriously, let the debate continue - and if you think Gerrard is not above the King - just how far is he behind and what does he need to do to surpass him.

 

 

i dont think there is much in it

 

I watched them both..With Gerrard it is all about impact.....Olympiakos...Istanbul, Cardiff...even Everton and the clearance off the line

 

with Dalglish it was constant impact......week in week out, even in management and Hillsborough

 

I love Stevie and maybe on the pitch he is the greatest, but Kenny was God....is God........

[Jacks Jackie Jackson]

Dave's right. I know football is better, faster and you need to be an athlete to play it nowadays but you can only compare like with like and Kenny was so much better than his contemporaries consistently, and he was a player who created excitement in the crowd just by being in possession. You KNEW something good was going to happen when the ball went to him and an audible buzz started up. That's to take nothing away from Gerrard who may well end up having a bigger impact than the King and one day deposing him but for now, Kenny for me.

[Drexl]

As a red of only 29yrs of age I am intrigued by this debate - especially Gerrard vs the King.

 

I remember 3-4 yrs ago people were not sure if Gerrard was better than Souness and now we are at the stage were the arl gits ( ) are debating if he is the best ever.

 

Seriously, let the debate continue - and if you think Gerrard is not above the King - just how far is he behind and what does he need to do to surpass him.

Souness was a fantastic player, and the best midfielder I can remember from my younger years. Certainly the best defensive midfielder in LFC history. I can remember quite a few people that thought Souness was just as important as Kenny.

 

FWIW, Kenny still wins the All-Time-Greatest for me.

[Snookie]

Dont agree about Gerrard at all. He's head and shoulders over anyone whosemade their debut in the last 20 years but to compare him to Dalglish is just plain wrong. I've always rated the latter as the best player I've seen in the English league (I only vaguely remember Best when he was in decline and those who were possibly better such as Guillit only played in the UK at the end of their career). He had a footballing intelligence and capacity to turn a game that no Liverpool player since has come close to possessing.

 

I dont think you can say that Gerrard is better than Rush or Souness either. Rush was peerless as a sstriker and findamentally changed the role of a striker in the team and Souness had a mental strength which Gerrard so far hasnt demonstrated. I'd possibly rate him at the same level as Hansen who is the best central defender I've seen in the English game. Maybe he will become the greatest player ever - he'll need to win a number of league titles - but at the moment I think its wrong and probably unfair on him to consider him in that way.

 

Carragher or Hyppia have been wonderful for Liverpool. but I'm not certain that its entirely appropriate to regard them as legends. Hansen and Lawerson for me are the greatest centre-backs to play for the club and neither of the current two are close to those. Similarly would you replace Hughes, Thompson, etc with either of them?

 

I agree though that the current group of players have the potential to be greats. Torres, Alonso, Macherano, Reina all look like they could be some of the best players to play for the club but I think its best to judge them at the end of their Liverpool careers rather than now.

[pipnasty]

As a player, Kenny for me but the fact that Gerrard is even compared to him is testimony to how great a player he is. But Gerrard still has time on his side to change this and a League Title or two may tip the balance in his favour. And as a human being, the way that Kenny has conducted himself since his playing days were over puts him way above any other Liverpool player. We will have to see what Gerrard does before any comparisons are made in that area I suppose.

 

Kenny is still The King.

[Mike]

i would challenge anyone to show a player with a better first 100 goals than gerrard has scored for liverpool already in his career. maybe torres might prove to challenge, but it'll take him a hell of a long stay at the club which is not that likely. none of the other players currently playing come close.

 

lot of rosey views held about players from the past by those who saw them. you'd think that they never had bad games. dalglish used to have stinkers btw, i saw a few.

 

yes kenny is still the king of course.

Edited January 2, 2009 by Mike

[Jacks Jackie Jackson]

Carragher or Hyppia have been wonderful for Liverpool. but I'm not certain that its entirely appropriate to regard them as legends. Hansen and Lawerson for me are the greatest centre-backs to play for the club and neither of the current two are close to those.

 

 

Oh come on! A bit harsh, isn't it? Both current players can certainly be regarded as legends and although not like for like, surely no-one can say they are not "close to those" as they most definitely are.

[pipnasty]

Carragher or Hyppia have been wonderful for Liverpool. but I'm not certain that its entirely appropriate to regard them as legends.

 

I think that Hyppia has been an absolute colossus for us. Winning a treble of cups without getting booked once during the season is an achievement that is up there with the best of them. Hyppia was pivotal when Houllier began to drag this club back to where it belonged and not many players deserve a league title as much as he does.

[Snookie]

Oh come on! A bit harsh, isn't it? Both current players can certainly be regarded as legends and although not like for like, surely no-one can say they are not "close to those" as they most definitely are.

 

Matter of opinions etc.

 

For me, Carragher has as much heart as I have seen in a Liverpool player and he has got the most out of his abilities which speaks of the attitude and commitment but I dont rate him as close to either of the earlier two. His passing is pretty average and he lacks the pace of either. But for me you are comparing both him and Hyppia to the greatest centreback pairing to play the game in the UK. If they played for just about any other club they're wouldnt be a question but I cannot see anything in them that would make me consider replacing either Hansen or Lawerson with their contemporaries.

Edited January 2, 2009 by Snookie

[anny road]

lawrenson and hansen aere light years ahead of Hyypia and Carra

 

and the latter are wonderful

[Karl]

The greatness of Stevie will not be fully appreciated until he has retired. Is he better than Kenny? I dont know, but the fact the there is a debate at all shows the magnitude of his ability and value to our club.

 

Agree about the Rafa thing also,

[Murphman]

Dont agree about Gerrard at all. He's head and shoulders over anyone whosemade their debut in the last 20 years but to compare him to Dalglish is just plain wrong. I've always rated the latter as the best player I've seen in the English league (I only vaguely remember Best when he was in decline and those who were possibly better such as Guillit only played in the UK at the end of their career). He had a footballing intelligence and capacity to turn a game that no Liverpool player since has come close to possessing.

 

I dont think you can say that Gerrard is better than Rush or Souness either. Rush was peerless as a sstriker and findamentally changed the role of a striker in the team and Souness had a mental strength which Gerrard so far hasnt demonstrated. I'd possibly rate him at the same level as Hansen who is the best central defender I've seen in the English game. Maybe he will become the greatest player ever - he'll need to win a number of league titles - but at the moment I think its wrong and probably unfair on him to consider him in that way.

 

Carragher or Hyppia have been wonderful for Liverpool. but I'm not certain that its entirely appropriate to regard them as legends. Hansen and Lawerson for me are the greatest centre-backs to play for the club and neither of the current two are close to those. Similarly would you replace Hughes, Thompson, etc with either of them?

 

I agree though that the current group of players have the potential to be greats. Torres, Alonso, Macherano, Reina all look like they could be some of the best players to play for the club but I think its best to judge them at the end of their Liverpool careers rather than now.

 

Carra and Sami are right up there. And if Gerrard doesn't win a title it's not that he wasn't good enough, and there's another question? Can you imagine if Gerrard had been born in 1956 and replaced say, Terry McDermott in Rome. Where would he rank then playing for the greatest side ever in English history for 10-12 years?

[smithdown]

When Kenny has appeared in charity games in the last ten years he still looks like the greatest player we've ever had.

[gns]

Good to have the privilege to argue over such players though isnt it?

 

When Everton ring up their legends for the BBC sports personality they get Ian Snodin and Phil Neville

[pt101]

A lot depends on your age really and when you witnessed - and can vividly remember - a player at their peak.

 

I can only remember Dalglish at the latter stages of his playing career and rely on DVDs and my old man for Kenny's 'best bits'.

 

I'd have to rate John Barnes as my all-time favourite but, had I been born a few years earlier, I'm sure King Kenny would have nicked it.

[Andy @ Allerton]

Kenny is by far the best player I have personally seen at our club.

 

No one else remotely comes close.

[dorgie]

I decided after lots of beer, after the cup final v West Ham that Gerrard had just elevated himself to our best player ever. I still hold that conviction. No other player has stepped up to the mark in big games as much as he has.

[Andy @ Allerton]

I feel somehow sad that people have forgotten about how good Mr. Dalglish was.

 

Crap pitches. Mental tackles. Real football and he coped and coped and won and outshone everyone pretty much all the time.

 

And now it's been forgotten. Already.

 

I find that desperately sad And that's before you even consider him as a person, and his contribution to the City, the Club, Football and peoples lives.

[Gunga Din]

I feel somehow sad that people have forgotten about how good Mr. Dalglish was.

 

Crap pitches. Mental tackles. Real football and he coped and coped and won and outshone everyone pretty much all the time.

 

And now it's been forgotten. Already.

 

I find that desperately sad And that's before you even consider him as a person, and his contribution to the City, the Club, Football and peoples lives.

 

 

yes, clearly havent read this thread Kenny has been forgotten.

 

what hasnt been forgotten though, is your bizarre view that Gerrard is s***. you have a pop at him at every single opportunity and i cant fathom why

[Gunga Din]

Kenny is by far the best player I have personally seen at our club.

 

No one else remotely comes close.

 

Souness and Gerrard both come close.

 

many of the old timers reckon Billy Liddel was even better again

[Andy @ Allerton]

Souness and Gerrard both come close.

 

many of the old timers reckon Billy Liddel was even better again

 

Souness and Gerrard are fantastic players.

 

I've spoken to a lot of people that used to go to Anfield at have seen Liddel live - and from all accounts he was an unbelieveable player.

 

But personally I've never seen him live. SO can't comment.

[dorgie]

I feel somehow sad that people have forgotten about how good Mr. Dalglish was.

 

Crap pitches. Mental tackles. Real football and he coped and coped and won and outshone everyone pretty much all the time.

 

And now it's been forgotten. Already.

 

I find that desperately sad And that's before you even consider him as a person, and his contribution to the City, the Club, Football and peoples lives.

 

Andy, I doubt if anyone has forgotten how good Kenny was. For 10 years as a player, he really was outstanding and contributed massively to one of the club's most successful periods. During his 14 years at the club, he made a massive contribution, undoubtedly, and probably had the best brain of any player of his era. Nothing's been forgotten, but Gerrard has come up trumps in so many big games for the club, and with players of lesser ability around him than Kenny had, I just think that, on the pitch, he may have just edged Kenny as the most outstanding player of the last 30 years at the club.

 

Just my opinion, like.