Question for matchgoers

[Woodsyla]

Do you think Rafa's absence yesterday affected our inability to control the game after they went down to 10 men. On the TV we looked clueless, two players showing for the same ball, Arsenal looked far more cohesive and it was as if the plans we had been working to were no longer valid because Arsenal had changed their shape but Liverpool weren't able to adapt.

 

It looked like the most clueless 30 mins I've seen from the Reds in a while but I appreciate from the TV you don't see it all. I'm wondering if that very fact of Rafa not seeing the whole pitch meant he wasn't able to change the gameplan (like at Everton away for instance) to get the win.

 

Thoughts ?

[honourablegeorge]

Maybe a little, but I don't think the cluelessness and ineffectiveness of our attacks was entirely absent in the last few games.

[DJS]

I dont think Rafa's absence had anything to do with it.

 

After the sending off, their fans went mental with their sense of injustice and the players responded and got all fired up.

[richwilks]

I dont think Rafa's absence had anything to do with it.

 

After the sending off, their fans went mental with their sense of injustice and the players responded and got all fired up.

 

Couldn't get over their fans for the first 60 minutes. They seemed to have no support for the team whatsoever. It's hardly surprising that they are struggling at home.

[honourablegeorge]

Couldn't get over their fans for the first 60 minutes. They seemed to have no support for the team whatsoever. It's hardly surprising that they are struggling at home.

 

 

Arsenal fans have other responsibilities, like pointing out how a defender making a clearance offends their sensibilities as footballing purists.

[kop205]

Certainly true that if their fans and players fed off each other like they did for the last 30 minutes on a more regular basis they wouldn't be the soft tough they so often are.

 

As it is, all their fans seemed interested in doing was the tedious 'hooooofffff' stuff at any opportunity. f***ing bellends the lot of them - anyone who can remember the 'boring Arsenal'/George Graham era can only laught when they hear them come out with that s****.

[Woodsyla]

I dont think Rafa's absence had anything to do with it.

 

After the sending off, their fans went mental with their sense of injustice and the players responded and got all fired up.

 

But we had an extra man, surely that's exactly the time that a bit of tactical awareness can be used to expoit the situation to our advantage.

[DJS]

But we had an extra man, surely that's exactly the time that a bit of tactical awareness can be used to expoit the situation to our advantage.

 

Certainly to an extent, but they played with more fight and passion. If anything, we needed to match that, and then the tactical side could come into play. But we didnt raise ourselves to the same level of intensity.

[Cobs]

But we had an extra man, surely that's exactly the time that a bit of tactical awareness can be used to expoit the situation to our advantage.

but

 

1) it's not as if Sammy Lee is a tactical feckwit

2) rafa was still calling the shots via the phone

3) the subs were rafa subs

4) our formation didn't change til 3 minutes to go

[Woodsyla]

but

 

1) it's not as if Sammy Lee is a tactical feckwit

2) rafa was still calling the shots via the phone

3) the subs were rafa subs

4) our formation didn't change til 3 minutes to go

 

Erm, my question is, did the fact that Rafa wasn't at the game affect the decisions that he made.

 

1) He's not Rafa

2) Rafa wasn't at the ground

3) See 2

4) See 2 & 3

[Cobs]

Erm, my question is, did the fact that Rafa wasn't at the game affect the decisions that he made.

 

1) He's not Rafa

2) Rafa wasn't at the ground

3) See 2

4) See 2 & 3

 

 

Ermmm

 

your question was

 

Do you think Rafa's absence yesterday affected our inability to control the game after they went down to 10 men.

Edited December 22, 2008 by Cobs

[Woodsyla]

Ermmm

 

your question was

 

Do you think Rafa's absence yesterday affected our inability to control the game after they went down to 10 men.

Selective quoting, par for the course,

 

 

Ok, pendant, how about this (from the orignal post no less)

 

"I'm wondering if that very fact of Rafa not seeing the whole pitch meant he wasn't able to change the gameplan"

 

Any none fatuous opinions on this statement.

[Cobs]

Selective quoting, par for the course,

Ok, pendant, how about this (from the orignal post no less)

 

"I'm wondering if that very fact of Rafa not seeing the whole pitch meant he wasn't able to change the gameplan"

 

Any none fatuous opinions on this statement.

 

you asked a question i answered it

 

don't go getting stroppy with me cos you fecked up

 

 

 

as for your statement (NB - WHICH IS NOT A QUESTION !!!!!) - no i don't think that's relevant at all

[Woodsyla]

you asked a question i answered it

 

don't go getting stroppy with me cos you fecked up

as for your statement (NB - WHICH IS NOT A QUESTION !!!!!) - no i don't think that's relevant at all

f***ing hell, it's a discussion forum, not an English exam.

 

You don't think the fact that the manager wasn't at the game impacted the ability of the team to adapt to playing the 10 men of Arsenal ?

 

That is your position on this is it ?

[Cobs]

f***ing hell, it's a discussion forum, not an English exam.

so why throw your toys out of the pram when someone answers the question you've asked

 

 

stroppy ponce

 

You don't think the fact that the manager wasn't at the game impacted the ability of the team to adapt to playing the 10 men of Arsenal ?

 

That is your position on this is it ?

yes

 

for the 4 reasons previously given

 

 

 

you obviously do think so - that's the beauty of discussion forums - not everyone's going to agree

[lawrie]

Feck if Rafa not being there didnt have any effect whatsoever (he was also absent from the training ground as well remember) he may as well just sit at home every week, mobile at the ready, and watch the game on telly

[Stevie H]

this thread was brought to you by the letters 'F' and 'U' and the number 12. and by the insult of the week, 'stroppy ponce'. which sounds like the name of some norfolk-brewed real ale.

[Jarg Armani]

I can't answer this as i wasn't at the game, and my opinion is less valid than the lads who were.

 

It would be interesting to hear an opinion from those who were there, instead of every thread getting spammed by the same opinions from Cobs. Were you there Cobs?

[DanielS]

this thread was brought to you by the letters 'F' and 'U' and the number 12. and by the insult of the week, 'stroppy ponce'. which sounds like the name of some norfolk-brewed real ale.

 

Its a tawny seasonal ale that goes well with the rich flavours of traditional christmas fare.

 

And the original question should have been, "Do you agree that Rafa not being there meant we didn't do as well as we could have". Would have been far more honest.

[Cobs]

I can't answer this as i wasn't at the game, and my opinion is less valid than the lads who were.

 

It would be interesting to hear an opinion from those who were there, instead of every thread getting spammed by the same opinions from Cobs. Were you there Cobs?

 

peoples opinions who were at the match are more valid about Rafa's absence from the match than those that were absent from the match?

 

 

 

seriously are you, Woodsy and Hassony playing pass the braincell on msn or something ?

 

 

 

Here endeth the spam.

[smithdown]

Here endeth the spam.

 

[DanielS]

Don't forget that Rafa had the benefit of Andy Gray's expert assistance in analysing the game whilst at home.

[Jarg Armani]

peoples opinions who were at the match are more valid about Rafa's absence from the match than those that were absent from the match?

 

Fraid so. You could have ended that post after the word 'valid'.

[Coyler]

Of course it would have made a difference. Even watching Rafa on the sidelines on television he's up and down and making myriad minute adjustments to players' positioning and for periods he seems to stay out there controlling the whole shape of the team.

 

Still mightn't have created a better chance than El Zhar's, though.

[stressederic]

I wonder whether Rafa kept strugglin up from his sofa at times to wave his hands about in weird and wonderful directions at his TV screen.