Celtic pander to the minority!

[libero]

AT yesterdays game between Celtic and Motherwell instead of the customary minutes silence for remembrance day, there was a minutes applause because of a proposed protest from a small section of Celtic fans calling themselves "The Green Brigade"

Apparently upto a hundred or so left the game after 10 minutes as part of the protest against British imperialism!!!, because Celtic had a poppy emboidered onto thier shirt as a mark of respect to the fallen and they were up in arms about it.

 

To add to the irony 7 Celtic players died during the great war.

 

What the f*** are these people on???

 

Words fail me.

[Chili Palmer]

idiots, sadly you get them everywhere.

[betterman]

It would be great if they'd stay away forever in protest.

 

The worst thing about that reading that is that I've come to expect that sort of thing now, it's not the least bit surprising.

 

(P.S. I don't mean Celtic in particular, or even football, I'm just despairing in general!)

[Guest Ant]

f***ing d****eads

[Guest RedLegend]

AT yesterdays game between Celtic and Motherwell instead of the customary minutes silence for remembrance day, there was a minutes applause because of a proposed protest from a small section of Celtic fans calling themselves "The Green Brigade"

Apparently upto a hundred or so left the game after 10 minutes as part of the protest against British imperialism!!!, because Celtic had a poppy emboidered onto thier shirt as a mark of respect to the fallen and they were up in arms about it.

 

To add to the irony 7 Celtic players died during the great war.

 

What the f*** are these people on???

 

Words fail me.

 

Found this on it.

 

The SPL has decided that all Scottish Premier League clubs should support the Poppy Scotland Appeal. Celtic PLC without proper reference even to its own board, supporters groups or employees has decided to comply with the SPL’s recommendation and has produced a special strip embroidered with a red poppy to be worn by all players in today’s match against Motherwell.

 

For Celtic to support such an enterprise is extremely insensitive to the huge fan base that the club has in Ireland. In recent times many of our supporters in Ireland have suffered directly at the hands of the British Army, an army whose soldiers we are expected to applaud and commemorate today.

 

This is an insult to our supporters in Ireland and to all of the many thousands with Irish heritage and ancestry that follow the club. How can the Celtic PLC board expect our supporters to lend support to an army that has plundered and murdered many of our own people?

 

Bloody Sunday, The Ballymurphy Massacre, the murders of Aiden McAnespie and Peter McBride – these are just a few of the atrocities committed by British troops in Ireland.

 

This is not about the fathers, grandfathers and great grandfathers who were conscripted to fight in two world wars. This poppy day is about the British Army in the here and now - and is being given extra impetus this year because of the falling recruitment figures as a result of its involvement in unpopular conflicts in Iraq and Afghanistan.

 

Our protest is not aimed at individuals who wear the poppy, it is against the idea that Celtic as an institution should be backing British imperialism in any way shape or form.

 

We believe that the poppy appeal has long passed its original aims to commemorate the fallen conscripts of two world wars and has now become a focal point to rally support for the modern professional volunteer soldiers of the British Army and its wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

 

An honourable compromise could have been reached if the club had opted to wear the White Poppy which symbolises peace and opposition to all wars, but it seems that other political agendas are now at work in our club.

 

The Celtic Chairman John Reid is fond of telling us to “leave your politics at the door” yet this former minister in the British war cabinet continues to bring his own British imperialist and unionist politics into our club. Dr Reid should follow his own advice.

 

It is a disgraceful turnaround in the history of our club that we should even consider endorsing a celebration of the British Army. Celtic was founded by Irishmen who opposed British military involvement in Ireland and whose lives were devoted to this club, the Irish community in Scotland and the struggle to free their homeland from British rule.

 

It’s time to reclaim our club from those who would prefer to wrap it in the Union Jack rather than the Irish Tricolour

[aka Dus]

Aside from the fact that the Green Brigade are a nasty bunch of unrepentant IRA sympathisers, besides their interesting take on the political views of Brother Walfrid or whateverhisnamewas that founded Celtic, that's classic Sinn Fein spinnery in that statement. I'm not too up on the modern interpretation or role of Rememberance Sunday in the UK in terms of the modern British Army but to me the day is to remember those that suffered and died from all armies. That hundreds of thousands of Irishmen suffered or died in the two World Wars makes Celtic all the more obliged to mark the day IMO, if their logic of adopting policies based on their Irish fanbase is pursued.

[libero]

The SPL has decided that all Scottish Premier League clubs should support the Poppy Scotland Appeal. Celtic PLC without proper reference even to its own board, supporters groups or employees has decided to comply with the SPL’s recommendation and has produced a special strip embroidered with a red poppy to be worn by all players in today’s match against Motherwell.

 

For Celtic to support such an enterprise is extremely insensitive to the huge fan base that the club has in Ireland. In recent times many of our supporters in Ireland have suffered directly at the hands of the British Army, an army whose soldiers we are expected to applaud and commemorate today.

 

This is an insult to our supporters in Ireland and to all of the many thousands with Irish heritage and ancestry that follow the club. How can the Celtic PLC board expect our supporters to lend support to an army that has plundered and murdered many of our own people?

 

Bloody Sunday, The Ballymurphy Massacre, the murders of Aiden McAnespie and Peter McBride – these are just a few of the atrocities committed by British troops in Ireland.

 

This is not about the fathers, grandfathers and great grandfathers who were conscripted to fight in two world wars. This poppy day is about the British Army in the here and now - and is being given extra impetus this year because of the falling recruitment figures as a result of its involvement in unpopular conflicts in Iraq and Afghanistan.

 

Our protest is not aimed at individuals who wear the poppy, it is against the idea that Celtic as an institution should be backing British imperialism in any way shape or form.

 

We believe that the poppy appeal has long passed its original aims to commemorate the fallen conscripts of two world wars and has now become a focal point to rally support for the modern professional volunteer soldiers of the British Army and its wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

 

An honourable compromise could have been reached if the club had opted to wear the White Poppy which symbolises peace and opposition to all wars, but it seems that other political agendas are now at work in our club.

 

The Celtic Chairman John Reid is fond of telling us to “leave your politics at the door” yet this former minister in the British war cabinet continues to bring his own British imperialist and unionist politics into our club. Dr Reid should follow his own advice.

 

It is a disgraceful turnaround in the history of our club that we should even consider endorsing a celebration of the British Army. Celtic was founded by Irishmen who opposed British military involvement in Ireland and whose lives were devoted to this club, the Irish community in Scotland and the struggle to free their homeland from British rule.

 

It’s time to reclaim our club from those who would prefer to wrap it in the Union Jack rather than the Irish Tricolour

 

Sweet jebus.

Those people are beyond hope.

[aka Dus]

They do, however, do some funny banners from time to time. (Though I don't think that's specifically the work of the green brigade.)

 

[Coyler]

It's a strange one; whereas normally the panacea of the minute's applause would completely defuse these eejits, it is obviously precluded in this case. And so certainly, they had to pander to the minority, as there is no way that a minute's silence for Remembrance Day would have been observed and that would have been unconscionable to the club. Can't see what else they could have done.

 

If there had have been a tip-off (if one were needed) before the Man City/Liverpool game after Best died, I'm sure with retrospect the clubs would have chosen applause, as happened later on that weekend. That option wasn't open to Celtic, and neither was the exposure to the risk of a huge amount of bad publicity.

[Coyler]

p.s. I was looking at that banner for ages thinking it had something to do with the Manchester Martyrs!

[Jacks Jackie Jackson]

Evry club has their idiots. I have a fondness for Celtic and refuse to let the sperm-stains involved in the s**** above put me off my general opinion of the club as it would be madness to assume they were all like that but you have to say, FFS, what s**** goes through the minds of some people to come out with that guff?

Edited November 9, 2008 by Jacks Jackie Jackson

[Coyler]

Evry club has their idiots. I have a fondness for Celtic and refuse to let the sperm-stains involved in the s**** above put me off my general opinion of the club as it would be madness to assume they were all like that but you have to say, FFS, what s**** goes through the minds of some people to come out with that guff?

Tribalism. I'd probably appreciate most of it if it wasn't for the fundamental fact that -- FOR FECK'S SAKE -- they're a British club.

Edited November 9, 2008 by Coyler

[aka Dus]

It's a strange one; whereas normally the panacea of the minute's applause would completely defuse these eejits, it is obviously precluded in this case. And so certainly, they had to pander to the minority, as there is no way that a minute's silence for Remembrance Day would have been observed and that would have been unconscionable to the club. Can't see what else they could have done.

 

If there had have been a tip-off (if one were needed) before the Man City/Liverpool game after Best died, I'm sure with retrospect the clubs would have chosen applause, as happened later on that weekend. That option wasn't open to Celtic, and neither was the exposure to the risk of a huge amount of bad publicity.

 

Well the club could only adopt the SPL line. Part of what the fans are whining about is not being consulted but the club simply implemented the decision of the SPL. I think the minutes silence / Applause was optional, couldn't tell you what they did though I'll ask some mates who keep me updated on Celtic whether I like it or not.

[aka Dus]

Evry club has their idiots. I have a fondness for Celtic and refuse to let the sperm-stains involved in the s**** above put me off my general opinion of the club as it would be madness to assume they were all like that but you have to say, FFS, what s**** goes through the minds of some people to come out with that guff?

 

Well, in fairness, I respect the right to peaceful protest just as I respect that people have a right to wear the poppy and people have a right not to wear it if they so wish, But if they go through all these contortions to justify it, then that's certainly worthy of ridicule.

[Archangel]

Aside from the fact that the Green Brigade are a nasty bunch of unrepentant IRA sympathisers, besides their interesting take on the political views of Brother Walfrid or whateverhisnamewas that founded Celtic, that's classic Sinn Fein spinnery in that statement. I'm not too up on the modern interpretation or role of Rememberance Sunday in the UK in terms of the modern British Army but to me the day is to remember those that suffered and died from all armies. That hundreds of thousands of Irishmen suffered or died in the two World Wars makes Celtic all the more obliged to mark the day IMO, if their logic of adopting policies based on their Irish fanbase is pursued.

 

Its one of those issues that no-one has real ownership over, therefore there has always been a tendancy for interest groups to imbue it with a message that is sympathetic to their own cause. The original interpretation of the role of rememberance sunday was to remember the personal sacrifice of those who fell in the great world wars but those in military service and some politicians extend it to all our war dead. You can see the possible potential difficulties that then arise from wars which have not necessarily been fought to defend our interests in the traditional sense and why some communities who have obviously suffered from british military aggression in the past seize on it as they have here. Sadly each side then views the others actions with equal moral indignation and the central reason is lost in the fog of mutual prejudice - much as happens with religion. and so it goes on

 

I happen to honour rememberance sunday as i think it highly important to remember but round our way the event is hijacked by some distinctly unsavoury sabre rattlers who seem to believe that it gives them the high ground to expect that everyone should think and behave with unquestionning loyalty to authority

[cymrococh]

round our way the event is hijacked by some distinctly unsavoury sabre rattlers

slapnuts has hit a new low, quite literally.

[Coyler]

Its one of those issues that no-one has real ownership over, therefore there has always been a tendancy for interest groups to imbue it with a message that is sympathetic to their own cause. The original interpretation of the role of rememberance sunday was to remember the personal sacrifice of those who fell in the great world wars but those in military service and some politicians extend it to all our war dead. You can see the possible potential difficulties that then arise from wars which have not necessarily been fought to defend our interests in the traditional sense and why some communities who have obviously suffered from british military aggression in the past seize on it as they have here. Sadly each side then views the others actions with equal moral indignation and the central reason is lost in the fog of mutual prejudice - much as happens with religion. and so it goes on

 

I happen to honour rememberance sunday as i think it highly important to remember but round our way the event is hijacked by some distinctly unsavoury sabre rattlers who seem to believe that it gives them the high ground to expect that everyone should think and behave with unquestionning loyalty to authority

Well sure this is it; since the last anniversary I have discovered a First World War link to add to the strong WW2 connexion one side of my family has to this nonsense. I'm very realistic about the individual sensitivities of such things but I still wouldn't trust myself if I blinked in the middle of these few cans I'm having now and found myself in a football ground, pissed, asked to keep a minute's silence for the British Army.

[aka Dus]

I meant to say above that I thought the day was supposed to remember the fallen in all conflicts, rather than armies. I suppose following the money tells you what the day is really for - it's to support the families of those formely in the services, I believe. Apparently the British Legion support 900,000 ex-servicepeople / families and since there aren't 900,000 extant survivors of WW1 and WW2 so it's clear that the charity is supporting beneficiaries that come from all conflicts since then too. Which to many people I am sure (wasn't Jon Snow pilloried last year for not wearing a poppy on C4, making a stance against "poppy fascism" or something?) muddies the waters of what the day stands for.

[AE]

You know that whole statement makes me sick to the very core.

FFS, the IRA have (apparently) disbanded, the Britsh Army has been greatly reduced.

This bunch of idiots just want to stir up racial hate and pander to their own twisted perception of the past.

We know all the **** that happen in Ireland, all the wrongs that happened during those years but now we are moving forwards in peace idiots like this just pander to the past.

 

The poppy appeal is part of the Royal British Legion, not the Britsh government FFS,

The Royal British Legion helps people of all ages and backgrounds. To be eligible for our help, you must have served in the Forces for at least 7 days, or be the dependant of someone who has served. It really is that simple.

Welsh, Scottish, Irish, English and more, these men died in the futile first world war, died defeating the evils of Nazism, and since them died because of decisions made by Governments of where they had to go. That statement dishonours them all. Those ***ers show no respect to those that have served, those that have died and those that still mourn their lost colleagues. Rememberence day is not about the British government is it about all those men and women.

 

*******s

 

Rant over.

Edited November 10, 2008 by AE

[Paddy 66]

You know that whole statement makes me sick to the very core.

FFS, the IRA have (apparently) disbanded, the Britsh Army has been greatly reduced.

This bunch of idiots just want to stir up racial hate and pander to their own twisted perception of the past.

We know all the **** that happen in Ireland, all the wrongs that happened during those years but now we are moving forwards in peace idiots like this just pander to the past.

 

The poppy appeal is part of the Royal British Legion, not the Britsh government FFS,

 

Welsh, Scottish, Irish, English and more, these men died in the futile first world war, died defeating the evils of Nazism, and since them died because of decisions made by Governments of where they had to go. That statement dishonours them all. Those ***ers show no respect to those that have served, those that have died and those that still mourn their lost colleagues. Rememberence day is not about the British government is it about all those men and women.

 

*******s

 

Rant over.

Absolutely spot on, I'm sick and tired of people like that who are using Rememberance day to highlight their own agenda. It should be about remembering the men and women who died to give t*** like those the very opportunity to be able to air their sick views.

[Ostrich Man]

Absolutely spot on, I'm sick and tired of people like that who are using Rememberance day to highlight their own agenda. It should be about remembering the men and women who died to give t*** like those the very opportunity to be able to air their sick views.

so opposing the british empire and the numerous conflicts its been involved in is sick?

[aka Dus]

so opposing the british empire and the numerous conflicts its been involved in is sick?

 

Governments and Empires don't put themselves in the line of fire in war, people do and Rememberance Sunday is about remembering the people who died, rather the governments or empires responsible for starting it.

 

To protest against Celtic's decision to follow an SPL decision (whether mandatory or not) to join the rest of the League in honouring those people is a spiteful, selfish and bullying way of promoting their own personal political creed.

 

In the end, as I understand it, there were a few loons in their customary Che Guevara hats outside the ground handing out leaflets. And this was all that was ever planned. No booing of minutes silence or walkouts were planned. But then again, when the original story appeared in the Scottish S*n newspaper, we shouldn't be surprised that this would be inaccurate. Probably willfully so.

[Des]

their sick views.

 

What sick views are these?

[Ostrich Man]

Governments and Empires don't put themselves in the line of fire in war, people do and Rememberance Sunday is about remembering the people who died, rather the governments or empires responsible for starting it.

so remember those who died but ignore why they died in the first place....thats handy.

 

 

Silly celtic fans how dare some of them have a problem with this.

[aka Dus]

so remember those who died but ignore why they died in the first place....thats handy.

Silly celtic fans how dare some of them have a problem with this.

 

Oh look, I'm not looking for a row about it, I don't even fully understand the full extent of what Remeberance Sunday is about in the UK anymore. It was easy when it was about WW1 and particularly WW2 and it's easy to be suspicious of the 'Poppy Fascism' that pervades much media coverage of it. But lining up behind the unofficial nouveau rebel culture among some at Celtic that all things British Army related is worthy of public protest and defiance is just as unsavoury as those at Rangers who keep a list of celebrities and sportsmen who do NOT wear a Poppy at this time of year in order to enforce their view of 'compassion'. And that's where most of it comes from - 'us & them'.

 

In my opinion, that attitude does not represent many if not most Celtic fans. It does not sit well with Celtic's charitable roots and that the problem here in the first place is not some Celtic fans right to protest, but clearly mis-reporting and misrepresentation by the Scottish S*n newspaper.