Transfer thread

[Boca]

Might as well start this one up.

 

Chelsea have agreed a deal with Porto for right back Jose Bosingwa. £16.2m for a full back. Just goes to show what we'll be up against again next season.

[Gooner Spy]

Might as well start this one up.

 

Chelsea have agreed a deal with Porto for right back Jose Bosingwa. £16.2m for a full back. Just goes to show what we'll be up against again next season.

 

Some amount of money for a right back, that. Porto must be absolutely minted with the money Man U and Chelsea keep firing at them every summer?

[Jim D]

Chelsea in the space of a few years have now spent £10million+ on a right back. No wonder we can't challenge for the league.

[Guest Anders Honoré]

Some amount of money for a right back, that. Porto must be absolutely minted with the money Man U and Chelsea keep firing at them every summer?

 

chelsea

 

carvalho 20m

Ferreira 13m

now bosingwa for 16

 

manu getting nani and anderson for 17 a pop.

 

Add to that maniche for 12m, andrade for 8m, 12m+quaresma for deco. Some quality players to have passed through there in recent years.

[Gooner Spy]

Chelsea in the space of a few years have now spent £10million+ on a right back. No wonder we can't challenge for the league.

 

Sorry to go back to Arsenal, but it really doesnt have to be like that. Sagna was arguably the most consistent right back in the league this year, and cost a shade over 5 million.

[Hassony]

Sorry to go back to Arsenal, but it really doesnt have to be like that. Sagna was arguably the most consistent right back in the league this year, and cost a shade over 5 million.

 

Skrtel and Agger cost £11m between them and they are as good as any centre backs in the league, Toure cost nothing, Sagna 5m, Clichy hardly anything...etc

[Bailo]

Sorry to go back to Arsenal, but it really doesnt have to be like that. Sagna was arguably the most consistent right back in the league this year, and cost a shade over 5 million.

Completely agree.

 

Not seen this Boswinga chap, but that's a huge amount of money for a postion they seem relatively comfortable in.

[Gooner Spy]

Skrtel and Agger cost £11m between them and they are as good as any centre backs in the league, Toure cost nothing, Sagna 5m, Clichy hardly anything...etc

 

Exactly. A player doesnt need to have an exorbitant price tag to be any good. Just need clever scouts and a manager prepared to take a punt on the lesser known players. Its one limitation of Ferguson that over the years, when he has tried to do that, he has failed miserably (Kleberson, Djemba Djemba etc).

 

In fact, is there one good example between Chelsea and Man Utd in the past 5 years of a lesser known player signed for a modest fee who has gone on to establish themselves? I genuinely cant think of one?

Edited May 12, 2008 by Gooner Spy

[The Hitman]

Completely agree.

 

Not seen this Boswinga chap, but that's a huge amount of money for a postion they seem relatively comfortable in.

Not exactly comfortable.Essien's played there for the majority of this season which is a terrible waste of the best player they've got.

[Bailo]

Not exactly comfortable.Essien's played there for the majority of this season which is a terrible waste of the best player they've got.

Comfortable as in having big-money players able to play there. Whether they are fit and/or being picked is another matter.

 

What was the signing of Belleti all about? Bet he's on a whack. And where on earth is that Russian CB they signed?

[Gooner Spy]

Not exactly comfortable.Essien's played there for the majority of this season which is a terrible waste of the best player they've got.

 

I think they absolutely needed a new right back. What I dispute is that any challenging team should wave the white flag because they cant all spend 16m on a full back. there are cheaper, and potentially better alternatives. All you need is a canny manager, a good scouting network and the willingness to take a chance. It seems the top 2 have neither of these, as all they do is lazily go out and buy the most established players available in each position.

[Hassony]

Comfortable as in having big-money players able to play there. Whether they are fit and/or being picked is another matter.

 

What was the signing of Belleti all about? Bet he's on a whack. And where on earth is that Russian CB they signed?

Belleti is s*** and he was only signed because Roman didn't want to give mourinho any more money to spend (thats why he bought Belleti, pizzaro and sidwell!)

[Boca]

chelsea

 

carvalho 20m

Ferreira 13m

now bosingwa for 16

 

manu getting nani and anderson for 17 a pop.

 

Add to that maniche for 12m, andrade for 8m, 12m+quaresma for deco. Some quality players to have passed through there in recent years.

 

Nani was bought from Sporting Lisbon I think but yeah, some money to get in over the last few years.

[NWR]

Exactly. A player doesnt need to have an exorbitant price tag to be any good. Just need clever scouts and a manager prepared to take a punt on the lesser known players. Its one limitation of Ferguson that over the years, when he has tried to do that, he has failed miserably (Kleberson, Djemba Djemba etc).

 

In fact, is there one good example between Chelsea and Man Utd in the past 5 years of a lesser known player signed for a modest fee who has gone on to establish themselves? I genuinely cant think of one?

 

Ronaldo was a snip at 12 mil. Vidic. Evra.

 

Your not that good.

[Raj]

Ronaldo was a snip at 12 mil. Vidic. Evra.

 

Your not that good.

 

£12 million on a 17/18 year old is a lot of money.

 

Evra was a steal though

[NWR]

£12 million on a 17/18 year old is a lot of money.

 

Evra was a steal though

 

It is a lot of money but its about recognising potential and paying for it.

[Raj]

It is a lot of money but its about recognising potential and paying for it.

 

Many clubs recognised the potential, but some didn't have £12 million to spend on a teenager.

[Cunny]

Completely agree.

 

Not seen this Boswinga chap, but that's a huge amount of money for a postion they seem relatively comfortable in.

 

 

Wasn't he one of the players Torres waltzed past for his second goal against Porto at Anfield?

[Woodsyla]

It is a lot of money but its about recognising potential and paying for it.

No, it's about being able to write off a failure without damaging the club. We offered £6m for him, you offered £12.6m , it's how much you can afford to lose.

 

Evra was a steal, Vidic was an astute buy as well, but for every great bit of business from United there is a whacking great cheque written to guarantee quality. (Ferdinand , Rooney). Only Chelsea and United can afford to do that.

Edited May 12, 2008 by Woodsyla

[Gooner Spy]

Ronaldo was a snip at 12 mil. Vidic. Evra.

 

Your not that good.

 

Read again.

 

In fact, is there one good example between Chelsea and Man Utd in the past 5 years of a lesser known player signed for a modest fee who has gone on to establish themselves? I genuinely cant think of one?

 

How the f*** is £12 million a modest fee?

[growler]

Even eVra was fairly well known.

 

as for porto, didn't they have Tiago initially too?

 

Ronaldo, Rooney, Carrick, Hargreaves, Rio, Vidic, Nani, Anderson, Saha. All players that were paid over the odds for.

 

Chelsea have Anelka, Drogba, Essien, Robben, Duff, Sheva, Carvalho, Ferriera, Tiago, Makelele that they paid good money for.. They have also spent 10's of millions on 'punts' trying to buy the best youngsters at 4-5mil a pop.

 

By comparison, we have Alonso, Babel, Torres and Agger (expensive for an unproven defender at the time).

 

Arsenal present they don't buy, but they have spent on Eduardo, Walcott, Diaby, Denilson etc. THe difference is Wenger takes punts on expensive kids, rather than proven players.

[Barnesy_10]

Luis Fabiano to the Mancs according to the papers.

[Guest Kaizer]

Nani was bought from Sporting Lisbon I think but yeah, some money to get in over the last few years.

 

He was, but they also sold Pepe to Real Madrid for big money.

 

Edit- Growler, Tiago came from Benfica.

Edited May 13, 2008 by Kaizer

[Guest DanTheDaggerman]

How the f*** is £12 million a modest fee?

It's modest to the Mancs.

[Guest 70400]

Exactly. A player doesnt need to have an exorbitant price tag to be any good. Just need clever scouts and a manager prepared to take a punt on the lesser known players. Its one limitation of Ferguson that over the years, when he has tried to do that, he has failed miserably (Kleberson, Djemba Djemba etc).

 

In fact, is there one good example between Chelsea and Man Utd in the past 5 years of a lesser known player signed for a modest fee who has gone on to establish themselves? I genuinely cant think of one?

 

 

FYI, Kleberson was not a lesser known player, having just won the World Cup. Neither him nor Djemba x 2 were signed for modest fees. We don't seem to go for lesser unknown players, we go for established players or really, really talented youngsters that show a lot of talent.

 

Sometimes the prices we pay turn out to be good value, sometimes they don't, but overall you can't argue with Ferguson's results.