We're all a bunch of racists....

[theredfella]

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The chairmen and owners of English football clubs have been warned that they risk being branded "a bunch of racists" if they do not take immediate action to address the startling lack of black managers in the national game.

 

Paul Ince, at MK Dons, and Macclesfield's Keith Alexander are the only black managers of the 92 Premier and Football League clubs. In contrast, the ratio of players is 15 times higher, with about 33 per cent coming from black or ethnic minority backgrounds.

 

"It's embarrassing and something is drastically wrong - the statistics don't lie," said Brendon Batson, the FA's consultant on equality and diversity. "I'm an optimistic person but there will come a time when we'll have to be more radical.

 

"If it carries on much longer, there will be a clamour to say, 'You're just a bunch of racists'." Most worrying is the lack of any obvious progress over the past decade."

 

A Daily Telegraph survey has revealed that the number of black managers - two - is the same as in the 1995-96 season, yet there has been a drop from the high point of five in 2001-02. At the same time, the number of black players who have taken coaching qualifications has risen.

 

Leading figures in the game fear that another generation of distinguished black players will miss out. "The evidence is overwhelming. In the past the industry has been appalling at encouraging black players to make the transition into coaching and management," said Garth Crooks, an FA Cup winner with Tottenham and advisor to the Equality and Human Rights Commission. "Everybody in football is trying very hard to address the perception from grassroots that the industry might be perceived as institutionally racist."

 

The Government is now involved and plans to hold talks with the League Managers' Association to identify ways of giving black managers an equal chance. "These statistics are very concerning and show that there's still a long way to go before equality on the pitch translates into equality off it," said sports minister Gerry Sutcliffe. "Clearly more needs to be done to ensure black managers are given an equal chance. I'd also like to see more ethnic minority representation in the boardroom."

 

There is just one non-white chairman and one non-white chief executive among the 92 clubs and no black or ethnic minority representation on the boards of the FA, Premier League or Football League.

 

 

Why do there have to be black managers? If they're not as good as others that have applied than why should they get the job just because of their ethnicity?

 

Also, why aren't they asking the same question re the Asian community and the lack of players, never mind the managers?

[Guest Prongsy]

"The evidence is overwhelming"

 

It depends how you twist the evidence. If you really want equality, you should hire the best manager for the job, regardless of skin colour, it's in the clubs, the fans and the players interest to pick the best manager to do the job, regardless of skin colour.

 

There are not as many (by a long, long way) qualified black managers out there to pick from. In 10 years, when more and more of the black players that are currently playing the the league retire, there will be more black managers available.

 

Now, if this is a 'problem' that there are only two managers that are black in management, then what do you suggest to rectify this 'problem' then, Mr. Batson? Should people be hired as a manager because their black, because not only would this be patronising to the black, it'd also be racist to the white that have missed out on the job because a human being (and that's what we all are, incase you hadn't f***ing noticed) has been hired because of the colour of their skin.

 

I'd have no problem if the game was 100% managed by black managers, if they have the better credentials then great, get them in. The truth is that it's going to take time for black managers, that have the appropriate qualifications and experience to manager to clubs, to come through...

Edited March 12, 2008 by Prongsy

[Coyler]

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Edited March 12, 2008 by Coyler

[Hassony]

  theredfella said:

Why do there have to be black managers? If they're not as good as others that have applied than why should they get the job just because of their ethnicity?

 

Also, why aren't they asking the same question re the Asian community and the lack of players, never mind the managers?

If Ince was white he would have been offered a higher job by now

[theredfella]

  Prongsy said:

There are not as many (by a long, long way) qualified black managers out there to pick from. In 10 years, when more and more of the black players that are currently playing the the league retire, there will be more black managers available.

 

Agreed.

[Guest Prongsy]

  theredfella said:

Also, why aren't they asking the same question re the Asian community and the lack of players, never mind the managers?

 

 

I do feel that we are currently missing out on talented young asian players. I also think scouting the middle east, in places like Iran and Iraq, where they have some very talented looking players, should be top of the list.

 

It's an area where football is taking off in a big way, so we should be front runners in pinching the best players for ourselves

[Bailo]

  Hassony said:

If Ince was white he would have been offered a higher job by now

You serious?

[theredfella]

  Hassony said:

If Ince was white he would have been offered a higher job by now

 

What a dangerous and completely unfounded statement to make especially as Ince was mooted for a role within the new England set up?

 

On what grounds are you making this assumption? Do you have any evidence to back it up?

[Guest Prongsy]

  DarkBailo said:

You serious?

 

Pretty sure he's not.

[Hassony]

  Prongsy said:

I do feel that we are currently missing out on talented young asian players. I also think scouting the middle east, in places like Iran and Iraq, where they have some very talented looking players, should be top of the list.

 

It's an area where football is taking off in a big way, so we should be front runners in pinching the best players for ourselves

Nashat Akram, who is probably the best midfielder in asia at the moment and helped Iraq to win the asian cup failed to get a work permit for man city!

[Hassony]

  theredfella said:

What a dangerous and completely unfounded statement to make especially as Ince was mooted for a role within the new England set up?

 

On what grounds are you making this assumption? Do you have any evidence to back it up?

 

what other reason could there be that cappelo was chosen ahead of him for the england job then?

[Guest Prongsy]

  Hassony said:

Nashat Akram, who is probably the best midfielder in asia at the moment and helped Iraq to win the asian cup failed to get a work permit for man city!

 

He'd be 'one of these immigrants commin' over 'ere takin' all our jobs'. Oh wait, I forgot, footballers don't count as immigrants because they pay many, many more times the tax than the anti-immigration lobbyists, they contribute more to our society, our economy and the standing of the worlds finest sport than any of the detractors .

 

How any pro footballer, who'll be earning thousands of pounds a week and paying many thousands a year in tax, can fail to get a work permit is bemusing.

[Hassony]

  theredfella said:

Also, why aren't they asking the same question re the Asian community and the lack of players, never mind the managers?

 

 

India and Pakistan have two of the poorest teams in asia

[Bailo]

  Hassony said:

what other reason could there be that cappelo was chosen ahead of him for the england job then?

 

Clearly not!

[theredfella]

  Hassony said:

what other reason could there be that cappelo was chosen ahead of him for the england job then?

 

 

Oh, you're serious...

 

Edited March 12, 2008 by theredfella

[Ostrich Man]

maybe fergie or benitez could black up....with the make up these days it surely wouldnt be racist

 

 

[R A Softlad]

I blame Carlton Palmer.

[theredfella]

  R A Softlad said:

I blame Carlton Palmer.

 

[R A Softlad]

  Ostrich Man said:

maybe fergie or benitez could black up....with the make up these days it surely wouldnt be racist

 

Couldn't believe that was Downey.

[Ostrich Man]

superb make up.

[Hassony]

  R A Softlad said:

Couldn't believe that was Downey.

 

Can't wait for this film now

[NWR]

  Ostrich Man said:

superb make up.

 

Wow! It only now you have pointed it out that I recognise the eyes.

 

Very good indeed.

[Andy @ Allerton]

I think anything that seeks to promote people based on their sex, colour, race or religeon is dangerous.

 

People that are in any given job should be there because they were the best person for the job - regardless of anything else.

[John am Rhein]

  Andy @ Allerton said:

People that are in any given job should be there because they were the best person for the job - regardless of anything else.

 

But how would idiots ever get jobs?

[Ostrich Man]

  John am Rhein said:

But how would idiots ever get jobs?

Pretend they know what theyre doing...thats what i did.