For all of you whining about Rafa

[Gravy]

Read this and take a step back will yer. Sure we should have beaten Barnsley but just count to ten before you all blow a gasket.

 

http://sport.setanta.com/en/Blogs/A-to-Z-o...nt-Rafas-fault/

Edited February 16, 2008 by Gravy

[Tyler]

Read this and take a step back will yer. Sure we should have beaten Barnsley but just count to ten before you all blow a gasket.

 

http://sport.setanta.com/en/Blogs/A-to-Z-o...nt-Rafas-fault/

 

 

one concern i have is that none of the players we have signed (apart from agger) have blossomed at the club and become better than they were when they joined

 

i question rafa's ability to coach and motivate the players

 

he is v good at tactical battles over two legs when u need to keep it tight and stay organised (success in europe) but i really think he misses a coach

[Guest Snorky]

Read this and take a step back will yer. Sure we should have beaten Barnsley but just count to ten before you all blow a gasket.

 

http://sport.setanta.com/en/Blogs/A-to-Z-o...nt-Rafas-fault/

 

The point is though, with the exception of Carra, Sami, Riise, Finnan who started - this was his team, this was his tactics. His constant changing of players has affected their confidence in each other and themselves.

 

The manager gets the plaudits when the team wins, so he gets the grief when they lose.

[Paisley]

Read this and take a step back will yer. Sure we should have beaten Barnsley but just count to ten before you all blow a gasket.

 

http://sport.setanta.com/en/Blogs/A-to-Z-o...nt-Rafas-fault/

 

f*** me a sane article in a sea of utter s**** - I'm sure it won't stop the 'Sack Rafa' brigade though...

[Guest Ant]

More apologetic rubbish?

[alias75]

I certainly have some sympathy with this viewpoint, today as an example we missed so many chances, how is that the managers fault? But the fact is we've been playing some poor stuff most of the season, yes we have too many players not good enough but the fact remains Rafa has signed most of the players in the squad and too many of them are under performing.

 

For me the problem isnt that certain players aren't good enough for us, i think if you had Riise, Kuyt, Crouch, Benayoun etc.. playing close to the best of their ability then that would be fine the problem is we have players that probably arent good enough for us playing well below their potential.

 

Whose to blame? Is it Rafa for not motivating the players or the players for not having pride in their performance? Probably a bit of both.

 

Personally id be happier to get rid of 6 or 7 players before we got rid of Rafa, some of the dross in our squad wouldnt be hard to replace, its much tougher to replace a top manager. Maybe both will happen?

[Guest Snorky]

f*** me a sane article in a sea of utter s**** - I'm sure it won't stop the 'Sack Rafa' brigade though...

 

No it wont.

 

Kuyt and Crouch are s****, Rafa bought them though didn't he. So how does that make him free from blame ?

[mick]

Football managers live and die by their results. End of fuvking story.

[Guest Ant]

f*** me a sane article in a sea of utter s**** - I'm sure it won't stop the 'Sack Rafa' brigade though...

 

I could say the very same thing about the Jamie Redknapp piece, if anything it's more apologetic rubbish about a man who has lost his team.

 

Of course he wants to create a youth system but so didn't Houllier?

[Gravy]

Sure they are Rafa';s players, but he has always had to cut his cloth accordingly. He has never been able to play on the same field as the other three big clubs, and although he may be able to buy decent players for the money he has spent, they are not top drawer and they will not perform at the level needed consistently.

 

Work it out - the only TOP class player has has been able to but is Torres, and you can see the difference when he is not in the tea. Babel may be another in a year or two and we all know the vanue of Mascherano. To but top class consistent performers you need the money.

 

Man U wouldn't have lost to Barnsley today but they have been able to spend 20-30 million on players for years.

 

Teams with the equivelent spend to us -Villa,Man City, Spurs may well have lost to Barnsley. You get what you pay for gentlemen. You want Sony that is guaranteed toperform you play top dollar. You want something that MAY perform at the top level for a while but not all of the time you by Samsung or something. You can swap this for any analogy you want

 

The blokes a genius - sure he has his faults (who doesn't), but give him what Ferguson, Mourinho etc has had and episodes like today won't occur very often. Keep giving him second tier money and they will happen again.

 

All those wanting Rafa sacked - be careful for you wish for. It's not a coincedence that we have been in 2 European Cup finals in trhree years. That to me is fecking magician work on a shoestring. He has proved his worth to us - now let's prove it to him eh?

[Gravy]

No it wont.

 

Kuyt and Crouch are s****, Rafa bought them though didn't he. So how does that make him free from blame ?

 

Fceking hell Snorky,how long has Crocuh been s***3 for? Not long I'll guess. That's knee-jerk there Kev.

[Hassony]

one concern i have is that none of the players we have signed (apart from agger) have blossomed at the club and become better than they were when they joined

Pepe?

[Crazy Horse]

Sure they are Rafa';s players, but he has always had to cut his cloth accordingly. He has never been able to play on the same field as the other three big clubs,

 

You'd concede that he's played on a bigger field than f***ing Barnsley though, right?

[alias75]

I think we need to be careful about pinning all the blame on Rafa here because that means a lot of players they'd should be disgraced with their performances this season are let off the hook. Whether you like Rafa or not, or think he should be sacked or not that doesnt change the fact that theres a core of players here that aren't good enough, and are taking millions of pounds a season from this club.

 

Personally i can accept someone like Kuyt who tries so hard but is woefully short of confidence but players like Kewell, Riise, Crouch that earn millions and dont seem to be bothered need to be shipped out ASAP whether the manager stays or not. But these players shouldnt be let off the hook.

[Paisley]

No it wont.

 

Kuyt and Crouch are s****, Rafa bought them though didn't he. So how does that make him free from blame ?

 

He's not free from blame and he's made mistakes, but he still managed to win the Champions League while not being on the same playing field financially with the other big teams. I just feel he deserves support when he's going through a rough patch and the chance to put things right. Novel idea I know.

[Smith]

one concern i have is that none of the players we have signed (apart from agger) have blossomed at the club and become better than they were when they joined

 

i question rafa's ability to coach and motivate the players

 

he is v good at tactical battles over two legs when u need to keep it tight and stay organised (success in europe) but i really think he misses a coach

 

I've said so myself. It's quite telling, no?`

[Gravy]

You'd concede that he's played on a bigger field than f***ing Barnsley though, right?

 

Yes I do, but as I said in my previous post, if you scrimp on players then thgis type of result is more likely to happen than if you have a truly top class team and playersd, rather than just a couple.

[BG]

one concern i have is that none of the players we have signed (apart from agger) have blossomed at the club and become better than they were when they joined

 

Reina, Torres (ask anyone Spain), Mascherano too

[ZZZZ]

No it wont.

 

Kuyt and Crouch are s****, Rafa bought them though didn't he. So how does that make him free from blame ?

 

You can only buy the players you are fiscally allowed to buy.

[Guest RedLegend]

Yes I do, but as I said in my previous post, if you scrimp on players then thgis type of result is more likely to happen than if you have a truly top class team and playersd, rather than just a couple.

 

Only 2 teams in the entire country spend more money than us. We are hardly paupers.

[Guest Ant]

Only 2 teams in the entire country spend more money than us. We are hardly paupers.

 

And one of the many teams that have not find themselves in the title race.

[Gunga Din]

Yes I do, but as I said in my previous post, if you scrimp on players then thgis type of result is more likely to happen than if you have a truly top class team and playersd, rather than just a couple.

 

Gravy, there is no excuse for whats going on. taken in isolation you could argue that yeah, these results happen, its one of those things. but its not an isolated result. its not an isolates s**** performance. its happening in far too many of our games. the players arent interested, they dont seem arsed, to me they arent playing for the manager, and for those reasons, now for the first time, i think he should go

[Guest Snorky]

He's had more money to spend than Moyes hasn't he ?

[Gunga Din]

He's had more money to spend than Moyes hasn't he ?

 

 

ah, but Moyes has ben in the job longer.

[Flasher]

We lost to Barnesly because some of our players aren't good enough? Priceless.

 

Apologetic superfan b******s.

 

How many internationals did Barnesly have in their team I wonder?

Edited February 16, 2008 by Flasher