Proof of negativity

[Guest Snorky]

We've lost 2 league games, the Mancs have lost 3.

 

Yet they are 12 points ahead of us.

 

We have drawn 9 matches whilst the Mancs have 3.

 

We lack the ability or something else to turn draws into wins.

 

So, is it more lack of fire power or negative approach to games or both ?

[psl]

Both.

[Guest Si]

Both.

 

Our squad basically has one forward. The rest dont even count.

 

Mancs have Ronaldo, Tevez, Rooney, and even Saha to call on.

 

Despte this, playing one up top, even if the other options are s***, against Wigan at home is never going to help.

[psl]

Rafa, can Torres play on Tuesday please?

[Magic8Ball]

look at the Top Scorer Table - C Ronaldo 16 !! and he's a Midlfielder !!!

 

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Edited January 12, 2008 by Magic8Ball

[alias75]

bit of both i think but more so lack of firepower.

 

They have 4 or 5 top level attacking players, we rely on Torres and Gerard and thats it. Watching todays game Utd weren't great 1st half, but it only takes a bit of skill from Ronaldo and the game opens up.

 

Its common sense the more world class attacking players you have the more likely one of them will produce something.

[Nebraska Red]

one other thing to throw into the mix.

 

a lack of belief.

 

the Mancs seem to go into every game believing they will win, we look like we go into games hoping for a win, making sure we get a point and struggling along the way.

[Magic8Ball]

bit of both i think but more so lack of firepower.

 

They have 4 or 5 top level attacking players, we rely on Torres and Gerard and thats it. Watching todays game Utd weren't great 1st half, but it only takes a bit of skill from Ronaldo and the game opens up.

 

Its common sense the more world class attacking players you have the more likely one of them will produce something.

Completely agree, which is why we need to change the philosophy of a large squad and go for more top class players, filling the gap with our youngsters

[Maldini]

It's a lack of fire power. Swap Ronaldo for Pennant or Benayoun and we're top of the league.

[Guest Les Howard]

Rafa's first instinct is to stop the opposition. Only then can we win the game.

 

IMO this negative approach does us more harm than good.

[psl]

It's a lack of fire power. Swap Ronaldo for Pennant or Benayoun and we're top of the league.

 

Do you really think its that easy?

[Guest dKing]

"They have 4 or 5 top level attacking players"

This could be about Utd Arsenal or Chelsea , we just don't have that . Having said that, the three of them have as a team a solid defensive base too and at the moment we don't have that either .

[Maldini]

Do you really think its that easy?

 

Yes, Ronaldo's goals have won United 13 points this season. Games they would have drawn or lost had he not scored. He has a knack of penetrating defences that are holding out for a draw and that's where we suffer.

 

He was also worth 9 points in the CL to them BTW

 

I realise stats are open to interpretation, but tin this case they just prove what we all know. Ronaldo has won them countless games on his won.

Edited January 12, 2008 by Maldini

[alias75]

Do you really think its that easy?

 

I really think if you took Ronaldo out of the Utd team and put him in ours we'd be above them in the league. We've been criticised for relying on Torres and Gerrard too much but Ronaldo and Tevez have scored a higher percentage of Utds goals, and at the beginning of the season when Ronaldo wasnt there they did struggle.

 

When your talking about one of the best attacking players in the world, someone that scores almost every week and creates lots they can make a huge difference.

 

Thats whats frustrating at the moment i dont think we're that far off.

[Nebraska Red]

and if he does not win on his own , he starts them off like he did today.

[psl]

Yes, Ronaldo's goals have won United 13 points this season. Games they would have drawn or lost had he not scored. He has a knack of penetrating defences that are holding out for a draw and that's where we suffer.

 

He was also worth 9 points in the CL to them BTW

 

I realise stats are open to interpretation, but tin this case they just prove what we all know. Ronaldo has won them countless games on his won.

 

You're assuming that he'd be able to play the same game for us. Rafa sets his teams up in a much more defensive way than Ferguson. Obviously Ronaldo is a great player, arguably the best in the league. He'd have had a big impact on our team. But to say that we'd be top is a big assumption.

[Guest Snorky]

Rafa would probably play him at left-back or something.

[Magic8Ball]

Do you really think its that easy?

HELL YES !!

 

Give us Ronaldon on our RW and we would be at least 12 points better off !

In fact one of the formations it would invite is a 433 as Babel and Ronaldo are perfect for 433

[Stevie H]

Rafa's first instinct is to stop the opposition. Only then can we win the game.

 

IMO this negative approach does us more harm than good.

agree with this. we go out to not lose games rather than to dominate and win them.

[Guest dKing]

"You're assuming that he'd be able to play the same game for us. Rafa sets his teams up in a much more defensive way than Ferguson."

 

right thats the answer , Buy Ronaldo and sack Rafa to be replace by a more attack minded gaffer.

[Guest RedLegend]

It's a lack of fire power. Swap Ronaldo for Pennant or Benayoun and we're top of the league.

 

I think it's a case of footballing philosophy as well.

 

I have no doubt if Ronaldo was playing for us he wouldn't be scoring as many goals as he does for the mancs. They pass the ball around better than us and generally attack far more fluidly.

[psl]

HELL YES !!

 

Give us Ronaldon on our RW and we would be at least 12 points better off !

In fact one of the formations it would invite is a 433 as Babel and Ronaldo are perfect for 433

 

When we played 4-3-3 against Wigan, we didn't put Babel there. What makes you think Rafa would use Ronaldo as Ferguson does?

Edited January 12, 2008 by psl

[alias75]

Utd play with 2 holding midfielders most of the time the difference is they have Ronaldo, Giggs, Tevez, Rooney if they have injuries they have Nani, Saha.

 

We have Torres and thats it (with Gerrard playing in the middle)

 

I think the other area Utd have an edge over us is Evra at left back but i don't think they're as gun ho as people think just that their attacking players are of a much better quality than ours and maybe once they get in front they're less likely to sit back on that lead, but again a big part of that is having the quality of attacking player to take advantage of those spaces.

[Guest Snorky]

I think it's a case of footballing philosophy as well.

 

I have no doubt if Ronaldo was playing for us he wouldn't be scoring as many goals as he does for the mancs. They pass the ball around better than us and generally attack far more fluidly.

 

Those two words would have done.

[Florist Cinema Pond Goal]

Thats whats frustrating at the moment i dont think we're that far off.

 

We are actually a good team, still one of the favourites for the European Cup, but the slump that started at Reading has continued well into the new year and killed off any title aspirations.

 

After the buzz of signing a true world class talent in Torres, looking really menacing early on in the season, remaining unbeaten until Reading at which point we were still in it, the subsequent collapse of our league season hurts more than any other Premiership season for me.