The fans relationship with the owners

[Guest Ant]

We all love Rafa and want him to stay, I know I do, but reading on here and hearing some of the stuff said about him on this forum and others makes me wonder.

 

Are we blinded by their commitment to this club because of their relationship with Rafa? The abuse been thrown about to them and the lack of respect shown by 'SOME' fans to them is atrocious and is horribly similar to what the Mancs did with Glazer. If the way they act towards the manager ISN'T the Liverpool way, then neither is some of our attitudes towards the new owners.

 

I am 100% behind them as I am Benitez and I have constantly maintained the view that this has been nothing but a minor arguement which has been washed out wrongly in the public, of which I do blame Benitez for. Granted if the situation had got desperate, but I don't think it has....yet.

 

Anyway lets look at what the new owners have done.

 

Since the owners came in they have changed some of what the previous regime said wouldn't happen.

 

'No Football channel' Now we have LFC TV

 

'No expansion of the new stadium' Look whats going to happen

 

'No Redesign of the new stadium' Look whats happend there.

 

They are investing well over £300 Million in the new stadium as well as the fact they played a hefty sum of money to aquire us before hand, wether they are or they are not part financing the deal themselves is irrelevant, I for one am very confident in their plans for this club.

 

In the summer they went about their business very well.

 

Got Rafa the players he wanted, got rid of the 'deadwood' he wanted and secured the futures of important players, Reina and Alonso to name a few.

 

Now look at what has happend recently with the owners stating themselves that they wish to wait for the next few games to decide wether to fund extra players. It's financially sound, whats the point in spending extra money on a squad when they are out of one less competition. The fans have always maintained the view this season that the squad is good enough to win the league, whats changed?

 

It seems alot of the sceptics are looking for a reason to prove that TH+GH aren't as good as people think they are. I Mean look at what this forum has been filled with the past few weeks, propaganda, speculation and a story about how Bascombe and Benitez are trying to fight back at the owners, fight back at what?

 

I do believe the owners will get Javier in and if I had a house, I'd bet it on that, but I do find alot of the stuff said about 'not understanding the club' and such b******s as just stupid and ignorant.

 

Their is a protest going on outside the game tonight, If I was going the game I wouldn't join in, I'd sing Rafa's name at Anfield though. Because this 'protest' in my eyes will make things worse.

 

Because at the end of the day but your knives away because the owners haven't done anything wrong....Yet

[Gray - YPC]

Their is a protest going on outside the game tonight, If I was going the game I wouldn't join in, I'd sing Rafa's name at Anfield though. Because this 'protest' in my eyes will make things worse.

Protest isn't really the right word.

 

It's about a massive show of support for Rafa...

[Stevie H]

it's become clear that they were talking out of their arses when they bought the club - the money they promised isn't there, they aren't investing personal funds and they frankly don't give a crap about the club. now they're undermining the manager in his quest for success. they can both f*** off really.

[Molby]

Ant

 

I'll be in soon

 

and when I get in I'm gonna put you straight

 

book yourself a one hour lunch today - you're coming with me

[John am Rhein]

I think a few people need to reflect on the meaning of the word 'owner'.

[Molby]

I think a few people need to reflect on the meaning of the word 'owner'.

testify

[Shirohana]

I agree to a certain extent that, due to the lack of knowledge about what's really going on behond the scenes, that the best thing to do is support Rafa in a positive way.

If Rafa stays, storm blows over, there will be more clarity as to what really went wrong, whose fault it really was.

I've seen banners against the owners, I've seen banners against Parry. Negative comments have also been made in the petition, this all without really knowing the facts.

 

The positive support for Rafa is the way to go. Purely because this is a man that loves our club and is building a team that looks like challenging for the league and has started to play some brilliant football.

 

To show vitriol without being 100% sure of whatt has really happened, is wrong and ignorant imo.

[Hassony]

it's become clear that they were talking out of their arses when they bought the club - the money they promised isn't there, they aren't investing personal funds and they frankly don't give a crap about the club. now they're undermining the manager in his quest for success. they can both f*** off really.

 

thats the main point really, we know what Rafa wants, he wants to win things (number 19 and number 6), undermining what he is trying to do is just poor, even if they spend money like abramovic has at chelsea, the manager (especially when a prove winner like rafa) should be allowed to do what he wants in order to achive his goals

[Cunny]

it's become clear that they were talking out of their arses when they bought the club - the money they promised isn't there, they aren't investing personal funds and they frankly don't give a crap about the club. now they're undermining the manager in his quest for success. they can both f*** off really.

 

Does this mean that Usher and Bascombe were correct in the summer and are no longer c****?

Both wrote something along these lines (about no new money being made available over what we usually spend) in the summer and were mocked on here.

[Guest Ant]

Does this mean that Usher and Bascombe were correct in the summer and are no longer c****?

Both wrote something along these lines (about no new money being made available over what we usually spend) in the summer and were mocked on here.

 

The forum bandwagon

 

It's a hell of a ride.

[Rimbeux]

The only healthy relationship to have to owners in this context is positive scepticism. They are there to be watched closely, not supported, they have everything to prove, trust to gain, not to lose. Even the concept of supporting owners is flawed. They are not the club, and not the team.

 

This is not a democracy a la Real or Barca where the fans own the club and presidents are voted for. This is a stakeholder situation where the only effective counter-balance to the power of the owner are the fans they rely on. We should be their first consideration.

 

Whatever you say about what went on between Man Utsd and the Glazers, it's clear that huge spotlight is cast on their every move and with the scrutiny who knows what sort of check they have been held in, how much further than planned they have moved to keep the football business healthy. It also greatly influenced the spin used by G&T on the way in, that got them in with few problems, the full glory of which will be forthcoming. So far not so good.

[pipnasty]

it's become clear that they were talking out of their arses when they bought the club - the money they promised isn't there, they aren't investing personal funds and they frankly don't give a crap about the club. now they're undermining the manager in his quest for success. they can both f*** off really.

 

How does the stadium fit into this?

[Will]

now they're undermining the manager in his quest for success. they can both f*** off really.

There's a big difference between not giving Rafa everything he wants and undermining him in his quest for success. Did Moores give him everything he wanted? No, cos there wasn't enough cash - is this so different? Yes, Rafa is making out that it is, but is it?

Genuine questions really, as we don't know the real ins and outs

[honourablegeorge]

How does the stadium fit into this?

 

 

The club pay for them to redesign it, the club pays to build it, and they trouser a chunk of the profits.

[John am Rhein]

testify

 

?

[Des]

?

 

It means he agrees with you John.

[John am Rhein]

It means he agrees with you John.

 

I knew someone would eventually!!

[Molby]

Does this mean that Usher and Bascombe were correct in the summer and are no longer c****?

Both wrote something along these lines (about no new money being made available over what we usually spend) in the summer and were mocked on here.

 

 

mocked by whom?

 

not me, nor anyone else who is at the forefront of this latest 'campaign'

 

and anyone can and should change their minds now that it's absolutely and clearly on top - the time for tarring and feathering may come later but for now I'd say it's a case of all hands to the pump

 

what are you going to do to Help Rafa TODAY? (not you personally Cunny - everyone)

 

I'm gonna sing his name all game, maybe join the march, help Stevie H, educate Ant and research the location of my nearest burning effigee wholesaler

[Molby]

There's a big difference between not giving Rafa everything he wants and undermining him in his quest for success. Did Moores give him everything he wanted? No, cos there wasn't enough cash - is this so different? Yes, Rafa is making out that it is, but is it?

Genuine questions really, as we don't know the real ins and outs

that's the royal 'we'

[Maldini]

'No Football channel' Now we have LFC TV

 

Nothing to do with them, you can thank Setanta Sports for that'

 

No expansion of the new stadium' Look whats going to happen

 

'No Redesign of the new stadium' Look whats happend there.

 

So what? I'd rather have a football club with soul than a new stadium, if they get rid of Rafa they'll take a chunk of our soul too

 

In the summer they went about their business very well.

 

Got Rafa the players he wanted, got rid of the 'deadwood' he wanted and secured the futures of important players, Reina and Alonso to name a few.

 

they did did they? Did they f***, they were across the Atlantic and it took Rafa making it public for anything to get done.

 

Now look at what has happend recently with the owners stating themselves that they wish to wait for the next few games to decide wether to fund extra players. It's financially sound, whats the point in spending extra money on a squad when they are out of one less competition. The fans have always maintained the view this season that the squad is good enough to win the league, whats changed?

 

It's not about money, it's about letting him do his job. We've already missed out on players, we might miss out on Mascherano too, we need a CB, everyone has said that since the summer.

 

 

I do believe the owners will get Javier in and if I had a house, I'd bet it on that, but I do find alot of the stuff said about 'not understanding the club' and such b******s as just stupid and ignorant.

 

It's clear they at least don't understand the transfer market and if they're goign to sack the best manager i nthe world then they don't understand the game or this club

 

Their is a protest going on outside the game tonight, If I was going the game I wouldn't join in, I'd sing Rafa's name at Anfield though. Because this 'protest' in my eyes will make things worse.

 

Because at the end of the day but your knives away because the owners haven't done anything wrong....Yet

 

It's not a protest, it's a show of support for the manager, and they have done a lot wrong, they've stopped the manager from doing his job.

 

BRUTAL post.

[Guest Cardie]

Genuine questions really, as we don't know the real ins and outs

 

Perhap whould change 'we' to 'most' because most don't know whats going on but the rest like to pretend they do.

 

It seems Rafa should only be listened to when it's negative and any talk of reconcilliation or 'positive' talks get ignored because it doesn't fit in with the agenda.

 

The sorriest part of all this is the people who think that they were justified in wanting him sacked for his performances just a few weeks ago but are now outraged at the idea that the owners may feel they have a reason. Wanting him sacked based on performances is no less ridiculous than the current situation.

[Stevie H]

There's a big difference between not giving Rafa everything he wants and undermining him in his quest for success. Did Moores give him everything he wanted? No, cos there wasn't enough cash - is this so different? Yes, Rafa is making out that it is, but is it?

Genuine questions really, as we don't know the real ins and outs

i don't see how those two things are any different really will, they're inextricably linked. you don't trust the manager to sell and buy players ahead of the transfer window with a view to having the best possible chance of a title push from january to may, you're undermining him.

[Roscoe]

at the very very least there need to be questions asked about how a breakdown in communication can get to this point. clarity is needed with regard the role occupied by Parry and in particular how he interacts with Benitez, his scouts and the owners re the securing of playing staff. I would also like to know a bit more re their strategy as it is very unclear as to how their ownership benefits the club - we have seen nothing except (albeit very exciting) drawings for a stadium.

 

what has happened over the last week or so has, as many have pointed out, simply brought into sharp focus the fact that our club is now in the hands of a couple of absentee landlords with no track record in the game. even assuming that Benitez survives this 'crisis' these concerns remain valid.

[Guest Cardie]

i don't see how those two things are any different really will, they're inextricably linked. you don't trust the manager to sell and buy players ahead of the transfer window with a view to having the best possible chance of a title push from january to may, you're undermining him.

 

Really?

 

Leeds gave the manager everything he wanted and more irrespective of the bigger picture and it went t*** up. The idea that saying Rafa we can't afford this is as bad as saying you can't do something is ridiculous.

[Stevie H]

Really?

 

Leeds gave the manager everything he wanted and more irrespective of the bigger picture and it went t*** up. The idea that saying Rafa we can't afford this is as bad as saying you can't do something is ridiculous.

and selling to buy? not being allowed to get deals in place for players he wants to shift in the january window?

 

leeds is a perposterous example by the way.