Like 606 on here

[BG]

Yes we're not playing great, today wasn;t all that pretty etc. Arbeloa should be playing, I wish Rafa would settle on a formation (even if not the players within it) for most games, yes Crouch should be playing more blah blah blah.

 

But Christ, the lack of respect shown on here towards the manager who won us the European Cup and got us to another final really is a disgrace. Everytime we fail to win this place gets worse. There's an increasing number of posts which read like the rants of spoilt children on here everytime we fail to win - just jumping up and down and crying that Rafa should go etc etc

 

It's November, we we're without 3 huge players for us and we're unbeaten. We have one of the five or six best managers in the world. People should at least show him a bit of respect - it's just possible he knows more than most of you (ok not you Kaizer with your coaching qualification).

[Guest SpiritualWarrier]

Yeh you're right everything in the garden is rosy

[BG]

Yeh you're right everything in the garden is rosy

 

Read the opening of the post. Clearly things aren't great. But neither are they that awful and there are some good reasons why we're not playing so well.

 

But this place is increasingly no better than 606 - which everyone on here used to think was a joke and an embarassment etc. I posted because I'd like this place to be more like it used to be.

 

The impatience, ingratitude shown to the manager on here is a disgrace.

[Florist Cinema Pond Goal]

Agree with what you're saying but everyone has a right to their opinion and threads like this only serve to increase the aggro.

[Guest SpiritualWarrier]

Read the opening of the post. Clearly things aren't great. But neither are they that awful and there are some good reasons why we're not playing so well.

 

But this place is increasingly no better than 606 - which everyone on here used to think was a joke and an embarassment etc. I posted because I'd like this place to be more like it used to be.

 

The impatience, ingratitude shown to the manager on here is a disgrace.

 

A forum is a place were people view their beliefs, if we all agreed on things forums would be boring. What annoys me about forums are the high and mighty posters who think they are above everyone else and they are never wrong regardless. The ones who carp on about 'Not the Liverpool Way' etc.

 

I wish I could post more often but my work means less and less time on the internet, but I would much rather take my frustrations out on forums than anywhere else were a lot more serious consequences may happen. And let's be honest, do you honestly think that what is posted here or anywhere else will have an effect on the club ?

[Guest Portly]

If a manager makes a terrible mess of his team selection, if the way the players approach the match suggests that they don't have any idea what they are supposed to do when they get the ball, I think it's not surprising that there will be criticism.

[Guest Ant]

The high and mighty approach I see, good choice

[Gunga Din]

If a manager makes a terrible mess of his team selection, if the way the players approach the match suggests that they don't have any idea what they are supposed to do when they get the ball, I think it's not surprising that there will be criticism.

 

i'm actually surprised there isnt more criticism. the whole thing at the minute is a mess

[Coyler]

I had just presumed that all the people who had been at the match expending all their positive support for the club in person hadn't yet logged on to their legitimate catharsis forum.

[Guest SpiritualWarrier]

i'm actually surprised there isnt more criticism. the whole thing at the minute is a mess

 

A lot if not all of my friends who go the game are becoming frustrated and worried at the moment. No-one would dare question Rafa a few months ago, but now I think the pendulum has swung.

[Guest SpiritualWarrier]

I had just presumed that all the people who had been at the match expending all their positive support for the club in person hadn't yet logged on to their legitimate catharsis forum.

 

They should have their own forum where they can backslap each other and tell each other how so much better supporter they are and leave us alone to debate.

[Falconhoof]

Its a far cry from the situation you are suggesting. Where's this disrespect you are talking about ?

 

Most people are saying decisions are wrong and they are leaving it at that. The majority aren't saying sack Rafa. I'm sure a lot of people realise that the rebuilding might be extensive under a new manager and that the last three years of squad building would be thrown back on the drawing board. I'm very reluctant to contemplate changing manager but what i'm seeing is deeply worrying. I can't shake the idea that something is not right in the dressing room, maybe Rafa has lost/is losing his players. The team spirit isn't there, nor is the basic understanding on the pitch. You get the impression that they have been in training for 2 months under a dark cloud. Rafa has clearly fallen out with Crouch, he fell out with his closest working partner of over a decade's work in Pako and his decision making has been erratic this season.

What we see on the pitch is a mess, its not going to turn round over night so I struggle to imagine a situation where we'll be closer to Man U, Chelsea and Arsenal by the turn of the year. We've got 3 league fixtures coming up on paper that should be wins. Can you say you are confident of winning them and staying within touching distance of the top ?

[Gunga Din]

A lot if not all of my friends who go the game are becoming frustrated and worried at the moment. No-one would dare question Rafa a few months ago, but now I think the pendulum has swung.

 

a lot of the people i sit beside at the game have been expressing doubts about him in the league for a while. i genuinely believe he is in danger of turning the fans against him.

[Guest SpiritualWarrier]

a lot of the people i sit beside at the game have been expressing doubts about him in the league for a while. i genuinely believe he is in danger of turning the fans against him.

 

Two of them refuse to sing his name now. They are adamant he's lost the plot.

[Coyler]

They should have their own forum where they can backslap each other and tell each other how so much better supporter they are and leave us alone to debate.

I never implied anything close to that. My post was in reference to quite a good post from either David Hodgson or Molby the other day that explained that some people who go to the matches and sing their hearts out utilize this forum as an arena to voice honestly held opinions and, sometimes, fears.

 

There is another camp, of course, that never go to the matches and utilize this forum in a different manner.

 

Most of the former camp are presumably drowning their sorrows after making a day of the away trip. That's all.

Edited November 3, 2007 by Coyler

[Gunga Din]

Two of them refuse to sing his name now. They are adamant he's lost the plot.

 

now thats just petty. he'll always get my vocal support, as will all the players, no matter how s**** they are.

[Sir Tokyo Sexwale]

I'm not having a go at the manager - the players deserve as much stick I think.

 

But today was as grim a fare of footy as I've seen in many a moon.

 

I believe in Rafa & I believe in Liverpool FC - not to feels tantamount to cheating on my wife

[Guest SpiritualWarrier]

now thats just petty. he'll always get my vocal support, as will all the players, no matter how s**** they are.

 

Maybe it is maybe it isn't. But at the same time they are most vocal in their support of the team and players. We've spoken about this since they started it and they said that it would be hypocritical to sing the praises of a man they want out.

 

I would much rather they took this silent action than boo.

[Gunga Din]

Maybe it is maybe it isn't. But at the same time they are most vocal in their support of the team and players. We've spoken about this since they started it and they said that it would be hypocritical to sing the praises of a man they want out.

 

I would much rather they took this silent action than boo.

 

i dont think too many want him out just now. i know i dont, at least give him the season

[Guest SpiritualWarrier]

I never implied anything close to that. My post was in reference to quite a good post from either David Hodgson or Molby the other day that explained that some people who go to the matches and sing their hearts out utilize this forum as an arena to voice honestly held opinions and, sometimes, fears.

 

There is another camp, of course, that never go to the matches and utilize this forum in a different manner.

 

Most of the former camp are presumably drowning their sorrows after making a day of the away trip. That's all.

 

Are you saying that those who do not go to the matches do not have honestly held opinions and, sometimes, fears. Or because they do not attend games their opinion is less valid ?

[Guest SpiritualWarrier]

i dont think too many want him out just now. i know i dont, at least give him the season

 

And have the Mancs get closer to 18 - no thanks.

[Spike]

You think things are bad? You should try giving a ratarsed Jonesy a lift back to Chorlton

[Gunga Din]

And have the Mancs get closer to 18 - no thanks.

changing the manager now isnt going to stop that.

[Falconhoof]

And have the Mancs get closer to 18 - no thanks.

 

How will the decision on our manager now have any bearing on whether the Mancs win the title or not ?

I can't imagine any Liverpool fan who has watched the last 2 months thinking we can turn the form around quickly enough and look anything like champions.

[Guest SpiritualWarrier]

changing the manager now isnt going to stop that.

 

working for Chelsea at the moment, same players different and dare I say it......better standard of football, more attacking, more adventurous. Mourinho like Rafa has the belief that possession is everything, pass and don't move it's the (new) Liverpool groove.