Getting into arguments

[The walters step over]

There's been loads of talk about tactics,systems and rotation but something I've noticed since Rafa's been here and that's when one of our players start arguing with the opposition - The rest of our team just walk away to leave one of us against 3/4 of the other players. It happened to Masch against the Ar** and I've seen it numerous times with others (admittedly only on T.V.) - Has anyone else noticed? Do it think it's symptomatic of divisions in the squad or is it more likely that Rafa has installed into the players a "don't get involved" mentality?

 

Personally speaking, even if our player's in the wrong (ala Kuyt vs the BS) I would still like to see our players stand beside their mates when a row is kicking off to show that we can't be pushed about.

[koppper]

You're on your own with this one.

[Rimbeux]

I think we're told not to create issues with mass confrontations. Some managers want the team in the refs face at all times to intimidate him, some think it's counter-productive and you should stay on their good side.

[Gunga Din]

i'd rather not see our players all standing round rowing with the ref and/or other players. its horible to watch, leave that to the mancs and Chelsea.

[johngibo YPC]

I agree with Wayne on the whole but i think we let the opposition time waste too much when we are looking to score a late goal.

I often think Gerrard should be right in the ref's ear pointing out that they are doing it.

Whether it would make any difference i don't know

[cymrococh]

Gerrard should moan a bit more, as shown in the derby.

[Guest Portly]

Sadly, putting pressure on the ref does pay off. That's how Chelsea got their penalty equaliser against us at Anfield this season - Terry and the others had been bullying the ref all through the match. It was so ironic that he booked Pennant when he complained about something.

 

I don't want our team to do it, though - I always want us to win by playing better football. And I certainly think it is sensible for the players to walk away from incidents.

[owenthomas]

actually, this is something i've brought up before.. i'd like to see our players stick together more and have a go at other teams/refs.. i know it doesn't look good but i personally think it creates a unity amongst them - like "we're all in this together and if you mess with one you mess with us all".. leaving one person arguing looks fkin pathetic..

 

also, one thing i think the Mancs do well (oh dear!) is that every single player on the pitch goes to the goalscorer.. there's not many/any other teams i notice this with but it looks like they're all in it together.. i hate it when a goal goes in and other players in the team just turn and go back towards the centre circle or don't throw their arms up in the air, give it loads and run to the scorer.. winds me up..

[Hassony]

look at the penalty conceeded against chelsea, Carra went mad at the ref, and alonso finnan all joined in, gerrard was the closest players to the decision but he didn't say anything, he should probably try and get in the ref's face more often because it does work, thats why refs don't like to give decision against terry and Rooney

[johngibo YPC]

  Hassony said:

look at the penalty conceeded against chelsea, Carra went mad at the ref, and alonso finnan all joined in, gerrard was the closest players to the decision but he didn't say anything, he should probably try and get in the ref's face more often because it does work, thats why refs don't like to give decision against terry and Rooney

 

Gerrard has a huge amount of sway with referees. He got a penalty against Sheff Utd at home last season basically because he asked for one

[Rimbeux]

  johngibo YPC said:

Gerrard has a huge amount of sway with referees. He got a penalty against Sheff Utd at home last season basically because he asked for one

 

 

Many oppo fans say the same. It may well be that he benefits from not ranting in their faces and having trustworthy relationships

[Buzz]

  Hassony said:

look at the penalty conceeded against chelsea, Carra went mad at the ref, and alonso finnan all joined in, gerrard was the closest players to the decision but he didn't say anything, he should probably try and get in the ref's face more often because it does work, thats why refs don't like to give decision against terry and Rooney

Not as mad as when we didn't get a penalty against CHelsea, Kop end, Carra (I think) about to head the ball from a corner, one of them handballed it from his head, ref looked like he went to blow,then didn't. Carra went mental, total red head, looked like he was going to lamp the ref. Think it was/is someones avatar on here too. Carra looked like he had lost it and certainly not to be messed with.

[meepins]

Slow news day eh?

[cymrococh]

  johngibo YPC said:

Gerrard has a huge amount of sway with referees. He got a penalty against Sheff Utd at home last season basically because he asked for one

definitely.

[CarraLegend]

  Buzz said:

Not as mad as when we didn't get a penalty against CHelsea, Kop end, Carra (I think) about to head the ball from a corner, one of them handballed it from his head, ref looked like he went to blow,then didn't. Carra went mental, total red head, looked like he was going to lamp the ref. Think it was/is someones avatar on here too. Carra looked like he had lost it and certainly not to be messed with.

 

That c*** Tiago. We battered them especially before Lampard done Alonso and late on the c**** end up scoring a deflection from a corner that should of been a goal kick. We seem to get a horrendous decision against us everytime we play them.

[Buzz]

  CarraLegend said:

That c*** Tiago. We battered them especially before Lampard done Alonso and late on the c**** end up scoring a deflection from a corner that should of been a goal kick. We seem to get a horrendous decision against us everytime we play them.

Your not wrong, which makes the odd one we may get in a big semi all the more bloody satisfying

[Buzz]

It's Waynes avatar.

Edited November 2, 2007 by Buzz

[Guest Jude]

Anyone ever see Steve Finnan angry?.

[Rimbeux]

  Jude said:

Anyone ever see Steve Finnan angry?.

 

 

Manc lipreaders?

[Rex Ham]

  johngibo YPC said:

Gerrard has a huge amount of sway with referees. He got a penalty against Sheff Utd at home last season basically because he asked for one

 

Sheffield United fans hate him with the same level of passion as we reserve for Riise.

[Knox_Harrington]

We got clever in the Derby. We don't need to be in referee's faces but we do need to play it right and better than we do at the minute. We're still too nice for my liking.

[mathewbet1]

I agree we need more team spirt when it comes to on the field spats and 'conversations' with the referee. A typical wayne rooney offside desision is geeted by 'where never offf***in , side that f*****s fookin f***ed ref, more f*** sakelike get a grip u tosser'. Theres a happy medium though, Chelseas ref bating and 'gand hounding' is sickening to watch somtimes, we never want to be like that.

[John am Rhein]

  Hassony said:

look at the penalty conceeded against chelsea, Carra went mad at the ref, and alonso finnan all joined in, gerrard was the closest players to the decision but he didn't say anything, he should probably try and get in the ref's face more often because it does work, thats why refs don't like to give decision against terry and Rooney

 

Thing is if a ref has given a penalty then he's almost certain not to change his mind. On the other hand, if he's hesitated or decided to let play go on, there IS a certain chance that pressure on the ref will make him change his mind - especially if he's psychologically disposed to compensate for some earlier decision.