The offside rule

[Woodsyla]

How the f*** TWO attacking players in offside position are not interfering with play is beyond me. It was a great run from Fabregas but somebody needs to give FIFA a shoeing until they change that rule because the defenders don't have a prayer when trying to hold a line against decent passing and movement.

[Stevie H]

  Woodsyla said:

How the f*** TWO attacking players in offside position are not interfering with play is beyond me. It was a great run from Fabregas but somebody needs to give FIFA a shoeing until they change that rule because the defenders don't have a prayer when trying to hold a line against decent passing and movement.

fabregas was well onside and they sprung the trap perfectly?

[Earl Hafler]

  Woodsyla said:

How the f*** TWO attacking players in offside position are not interfering with play is beyond me. It was a great run from Fabregas but somebody needs to give FIFA a shoeing until they change that rule because the defenders don't have a prayer when trying to hold a line against decent passing and movement.

 

The main problem is the huge grey area of opinion which results in some decisions being given, some not.

 

Revert to the old rule. Offside is offside. The game has quickened up and officials are being asked to do too much.

 

 

Also, the decision is dependant on the linesman / assistant who is often at a poor angle to decide if it is interfering. A little like asking the service line judge to take a ruling on the sideline.

[John am Rhein]

  Woodsyla said:

How the f*** TWO attacking players in offside position are not interfering with play is beyond me. It was a great run from Fabregas but somebody needs to give FIFA a shoeing until they change that rule because the defenders don't have a prayer when trying to hold a line against decent passing and movement.

 

Maybe the idea is to discourage the defenders from even trying to hold a line.

[John am Rhein]

  Big Stuff said:

Revert to the old rule. Offside is offside.

 

That wasn't the old rule. For as long as I can remember it's been qualified with clauses like 'seeking to gain an advantage' and 'interfering with play'. AFAIK, it was always like that since the day offside was invented.

[Tosh]

it was.

 

There was an FA Cup game we played aeons ago where we had a player ling on the floor in the 6 yard box, well offside, and a shot went over the top of him and we scored.

 

Opposition claimed offside and it was decided that as he was prone, he was not interfering.

[Rimbeux]

  Woodsyla said:

How the f*** TWO attacking players in offside position are not interfering with play is beyond me. It was a great run from Fabregas but somebody needs to give FIFA a shoeing until they change that rule because the defenders don't have a prayer when trying to hold a line against decent passing and movement.

 

 

thats the idea

[RP]

  Tosh said:

it was.

 

There was an FA Cup game we played aeons ago where we had a player ling on the floor in the 6 yard box, well offside, and a shot went over the top of him and we scored.

 

Opposition claimed offside and it was decided that as he was prone, he was not interfering.

 

 

It was Sammy Lee in the 1981 League Cup Final v West Ham. Barney scored.

Edited October 30, 2007 by RP

[John am Rhein]

  Tosh said:

it was.

 

There was an FA Cup game we played aeons ago where we had a player ling on the floor in the 6 yard box, well offside, and a shot went over the top of him and we scored.

 

Opposition claimed offside and it was decided that as he was prone, he was not interfering.

 

Perfect example of what I said.

 

'Offside is offside' did NOT apply. I don't think it ever did.

[Murphman]

  RP said:

It was Sammy Lee in the 1981 League Cup Final v West Ham. Barney scored.

 

 

hehe my mate is still moaning about that.

 

Who were you supporting back then?

[DazzlaJ]

But if defenders push up to play someone offside, surely they are interfering

[John am Rhein]

  Murph said:

Who were you supporting back then?

 

 

Another thing about that game is that Terry McDermott did more or less exactly what Phil Neville did the other day and punched a goal-bound shot off the line, giving away a penalty (which West Ham scored to force the replay).

 

Obviously McDermott would get an automatic red card now, but he didn't then. Was he even booked?

[John am Rhein]

  Fernandos Gonads said:

But if defenders push up to play someone offside, surely they are interfering

 

Interesting interpretation.

 

And the rule's so ambiguous that it's probably every bit as valid as any other interpretation.

[Guest Kaizer]

Talking about offside, when Fabregas hit the post Bendtner was in an offside position, so they would not have scored regardless in that situation, Bendtner hitting target or not.

[Tosh]

  RP said:

It was Sammy Lee in the 1981 League Cup Final v West Ham. Barney scored.

 

I bow to your wisdom

 

 

saddo!

[kop205]

  RP said:

It was Sammy Lee in the 1981 League Cup Final v West Ham. Barney scored.

 

 

Didn't Alec Lindsay have one disallowed in the '74 Cup Final v Newcastle in similar circumstances? I wasn't even born, but sure I've seen/read about that.

 

Either way, the law now is NOT the same as it has always been as it now allows far more scope for interpretation of what is onside and as a result is far more confusing.

[dorgie]

Fabregas' goal on Sunday was somewhat similar to Michael Thomas's in '89. Will we ever learn ?

 

[Sir Tokyo Sexwale]

  Steve H said:

fabregas was well onside and they sprung the trap perfectly?

kinell Stevie, how old are you?

 

When the opposition scores against us, there's ALWAYS something to pick at.

 

We're Liverpool FC. We don't concede goals or lose games, unless someone's cheating or the ref's a c***

[Sir Tokyo Sexwale]

  John am Rhein said:

 

Another thing about that game is that Terry McDermott did more or less exactly what Phil Neville did the other day and punched a goal-bound shot off the line, giving away a penalty (which West Ham scored to force the replay).

 

Obviously McDermott would get an automatic red card now, but he didn't then. Was he even booked?

yeah, but that was Terry Mac, so that ws ok.

 

Last min of ET wasn't it? b******s scored with the penno to force the replay too. But Kenny's goal in that replay was special

[Knox_Harrington]

  kop205 said:

Didn't Alec Lindsay have one disallowed in the '74 Cup Final v Newcastle in similar circumstances? I wasn't even born, but sure I've seen/read about that.

Yes.

[RP]

F*** off Murph.

 

I was at that game, by the way. Suppose you were sat at home trying to come to terms with becoming a pensioner.

[Sir Tokyo Sexwale]

I was at it too - first trip to Wembley, that was.

[Earl Hafler]

  John am Rhein said:

Perfect example of what I said.

 

'Offside is offside' did NOT apply. I don't think it ever did.

 

That was an extreme case though as the player was injured. Previously, if someone was stood in an offside position and " active " they were offside. If a defender sees someone stood in an advanced position and the ball can be passed to them, the defender is going to play offside

 

It's a bad rule.

[Murphman]

  kop205 said:

Didn't Alec Lindsay have one disallowed in the '74 Cup Final v Newcastle in similar circumstances? I wasn't even born, but sure I've seen/read about that.

 

 

That's one of my claims to fame (In fact probably the only one I have) I was absolutely dead level with Lindsay when he shot, ther was NOBODY offside and it went in like a bullet.

 

RP meanwhile was sat at home worrying about his Prep school entrance exams.

[PhilM]

  RP said:

It was Sammy Lee in the 1981 League Cup Final v West Ham. Barney scored.

 

And also Dirk scored a goal against Spurs in similar circumstances last year when Gerrard was lying on the floor.